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To feel hurt and betrayed by my DS?

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MsSweary · 24/10/2020 10:28

I have been here a long time but I've never posted in AIBU and I'm not sure if that's even relevant but I have to say this to someone. My head is all muddled up and i probably should wait until I calm down but I can't.

I am so very angry and hurt by my eldest DS (he is 37) and I don't know if my feelings are justified and if they're not I think there must be something wrong with me. He is the oldest of my 3 DC's. Both my eldest DS's are from my first marriage. My DD is from my second marriage.

The back story is I divorced my ExH 10 years ago; the years leading up to the end were hideous and I was a mental and emotional wreck and thought I was mad; I was drinking too much to cope with things that didn't make sense and I was on antidepressants. ExH is what I think is called functional alcoholism so never really got drunk but couldn't be without alcohol daily; he'd had a gambling habit during university, he told me early on.
In our marriage He'd also had at least one 'emotional affair', and I once came home early in the day to find him alone with one of them who by that time he'd given a job in his service; not having sex but when i walked in he jumped back from her like a scared rabbit. She had also turned up at our house once in the evening claiming to have broken down and couldn't get back to London that evening so we put her up; a week later ExH decided to buy this woman an item of clothing exactly like the one of his that he'd leant her to sleep in because "she loved it so much" and some months I later found texts between them saying I love you.

After couples counselling during which he never accepted or acknowledged that his behaviour was unnaceptable, he left me for a woman he'd lived with whilst at Uni so it was the age old story; that affair was ongoing during the time we were supposed to be saving our marriage and i later found out he'd come to the appointments from being with her. . Eventually his clear hatred of me wasn't enough to tip me over the edge into throwing him out (because I thought the problem was mine). Either alone or together they decided to send me an anonymous letter informing me of the affair and then ExH blamed our then 15 year old DD for having sent it. i know she couldn't have and wouldn't and she was so upset that her DF had suggested it was her; the post mark of the letter placed ExH in the area he works in, too far away for DD to possibly have been in as she was at school.

She, by the way, had learned of his infidelity or put 2 and 2 together and had begged him to tell me but he wouldn't; when I found this out out her anger and spiteful comments to him and telling me I was a fool, began to make sense. I also found out that he had been stealing money from my bank account as part of the plan to screw me financially whilst I was at my most vulnerable but that particualr plan failed. I should've learned what was to come earlier when he once cleared my bank account right up to the overdraft. I know I was stupid not to end it there and then but I'd not long had our DD and had just moved into the first house we'd bought. I so very nearly did though, and I never really felt the same about him after that.

A week after he left and whilst I was still in shock he introduced my eldest DS to the new partner. My younger DS would not have anything to do with ExH.

I'm sorry for telling in such detail (and I've left loads out as you get the picture). So ExH has split with the woman and moved permanently back to the area. He has been seriously ill, very seriously. I have stayed away all this time and I'm in a much better place after lots of therapy and I haven't had alcohol at all for about 8 years and no inclination to drink at all.

But ExH is slowly inching back in to my DS's lives and the 'weak link' has always been eldest DS whose relationship with his birth dad has never been great but it's not awful either. It's been a source of tension for us as ExH is very manipulative and only ever sees people as a resource to help him get what he wants. Younger DS saw him and spoke to him for the first time in 10 years a couple of weeks ago. ExH mentioned that he hadn't met DS's young son (my DGS). It was a clear bid to get that introduction I think. DS didn't respond but I don't think ExH will give up.

I found out this morning that yesterday ExH leant my eldest DS his car to take my DF shopping; DS usually borrows his brothers car to do that on a Sat morning. But I'm told by DS that it suited him to borrow ExH's car yesterday.
Reasonable or not, I am so hurt and I feel like this man is inching his way back in by any means necessary and it's not because his illness has made him have a sudden epiphany. It's because the other relationship ended and he wants what he left behind. I feel like DS is being disloyal; by his own admission he said that if the situation were reversed and I was to spend time with people who have seriously done him wrong, telling them stuff about DS and generally including them in my life he'd be really upset and pissed off with me.

But it's ok for him, because it suited him to use ExH's car.
I have to stop typing now.

OP posts:
laudete · 24/10/2020 14:59

I think it's okay to privately feel upset and it's okay to stop sharing confidential information with your eldest if you have reason to believe he's passing that information to your ex. You're entitled to safeguarding. Kids shouldn't be in a position where they have to protect their parents so it's reasonable for you to protect yourself. (He can't pass on info that he doesn't know.)

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 14:59

@billy1966

Thank you.

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ancientgran · 24/10/2020 15:02

@MsSweary I agree people aren't reading, or aren't understanding the thread. You want you son to respect you privacy and not discuss you with your ex. Perfectly reasonable.

thegcatsmother · 24/10/2020 15:03

Sorry but women like you give decent mother's a bad name. Grow up

So nice from someone with your user name WhatWouldYouDoWhatWouldJesusDo

I don't think it's the fact that the son sees the ex that upsets the OP so much, but the fact he cannot keep his mouth shut about her business. Either the OP has to stop talking to her son about her life, effectively becoming LC, or just talking about the weather all the time, until he gets the message; or she has to tell him that he is crossing her red line about her info being fed back to the ex (which lots of you say is manipulative if she says anything).

Please explain why she should put up with her information being fed to someone she despises by someone she loves, and should love her?

slashlover · 24/10/2020 15:03

ALL I want is that contact with my DS does not include him discussing any aspect of my life with his step father. Is that so hard to understand?

There's a tiny mention of that in your OP, it's mostly about the car.

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 15:15

Yep and i just did a post about the car issue then deleted it because I feel like the narrative about me being unreasonable and manipulative is quite thick now.

But FWIW It is the meaning of it; DS had already got his DB's car (or mine If I'm WFH) but chose instead to use the step dads. It feels like the thin end of the wedge. I'm sorry but you have so little insight into how powerfully diminshing it was for me to be in my marriage and how hard I have fought to come back from it.

You don't know this man. I do, but I really only came to know him fully after our marriage ended and his own vindicativeness and manipulation came to the fore.

A drink in the pub is one thing. And now they only live within minutes walking distance I fully expect the contact to ramp up. Thats fine but more than that would be hard to get my head around and there isn't anything that will change that even though I accept I may even come face to face with him again at some point.

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BojoKilledMyMojo · 24/10/2020 15:15

How do you know what the conversation between the two of them consists of?

It really does read like you're trying to put your son at fault in some way for not severing all ties with your ex, which would be wrong at any point but even more so considering you've been divorced a decade.

Who your adult son decides to have a relationship with is really nobody's business but his.

VodselForDinner · 24/10/2020 15:17

It must be me but I think people aren't reading the thread

ALL I want is that contact with my DS does not include him discussing any aspect of my life with his step father. Is that so hard to understand?

To be fair, that was the tiniest part of your opening post. Definitely not a focal point as you discussed other things at length.

In fact, you only seem to have started focusing on that yourself when replies did not go your way.

This line in your third reply is interesting-

I also know that he tells ExH things about me which I don't want him to. I want that to stop because it adds to the sense of betrayal I have

You clearly say that your son telling your ex things ADDS to the betrayal. Adds to it. The betrayal being that DS has a relationship with ex in the first place. That’s what you’re unhappy about, but you’re adding in the part about him sharing info to garner sympathy.

That really stood out to me. It’s very manipulative.

CatherinedeBourgh · 24/10/2020 15:23

But telling someone oh, x has moved/ has a new job is about as impersonal as it gets.

Those are the updates I get from family about family members I have no contact with. It’s saying something without actually saying anything.

If he was giving him detailed reports on who you go for dinner with I’d see your point, but your job, really? Not exactly top secret stuff, is it?

IJustWantSomeBees · 24/10/2020 15:24

@MsSweary then I disagree with the majority and think you have the right to be angry with your son. He is a grown adult and is actively choosing to disrespect your boundaries.

I can't offer advice on what to do tbh though, as even though I think you have the right to be angry, if you impose any more sanctions on your son I think it will inevitably effect your relationship and perhaps drive him further into your ex's arms. But I do sympathise and I'm sorry you're in a crap situation Flowers

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 15:25

OK. Thank you. I have already said it was manipulative. But I have also said other things that seem to disappear because manipulation is all that's visible about me.

I have mixed feelings about having posted now but that's the risk isn't it.

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MyMonsteraisDeliciosa · 24/10/2020 15:26

I don't think anyone can help you here OP because you don't really want to listen. It's all about how amazing you are and how terrible the ex is and how you are the victim of everyone's behaviour including your own child.

You brought this man into their lives, you are responsible for your own actions (the drinking etc). I'm not questioning that he was a shit but it's long past the time to move on.

Stop giving him headspace, quit with the drama. For heaven's sake don't fuck up your relationship with your son over it

Theluggagerules · 24/10/2020 15:26

I can see why you are upset. I keep in touch with some of my ex's family but don't want them to pass on information about mine and my ds life. Sadly this has meant that over time I have less contact with them as this wasn't possible for them. I think having a few days not contacting your son, who is an adult, is fine

ChillerKillerCroissant · 24/10/2020 15:26

So your DD has a relationship with this man (her father) but you object to your eldest doing the same - clearly something feels different about that to you OP, but it's not clear to everyone what that is. 20 years is a long time to be in someone's life.

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 15:28

It doesn't have to be top secret does it? It's about me.

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thegcatsmother · 24/10/2020 15:28

If he was giving him detailed reports on who you go for dinner with I’d see your point, but your job, really? Not exactly top secret stuff, is it?

It doesn't matter; it's information the OP doesn't wish her ex to have.

IJustWantSomeBees · 24/10/2020 15:30

And to add, I again do not think it's unreasonable to be upset that your loved one is choosing to have a relationship with someone who abused you. But sadly people don't care about women being abused, it's so mainstream that its predictable that many people don't understand why you are upset. Again though, it is solely your son's choice who he has in his life, so it's a continous vicious cycle...

ancientgran · 24/10/2020 15:30

It is clear, she doesn't want him passing on information. Why does the son need to tell her ex where she is living? Why does the ex need to know where she works?

MsSweary · 24/10/2020 15:37

@MyMonsteraisDeliciosa

I am listening. I take on board much of what is said. I don't have to like it as well but I can see that my feelings are about me and there is a risk to my relationship with my DS.

I have not at all painted myself as a perfect mother, no way; where have I said how amazing I am in fact I don't think I've been all that as a parent but I have done my best. Even my DC's would take issue with that comment.
I agree, I agree I have made it all about me. I agree that I am unreasonable. I agree that my DC's have the right to see who they want and talk about what they want. I agree that I only started to talk about what is said in contact in my third post when people started to pick up stuff that was hard to see. I agree that I still feel some trauma from the time I was married and that this sometimes comes back and makes it hard for me to see things as I should.

But I am a decent mum and I have not tried to make myself appear amazing.

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LouiseBelchersBunnyEars · 24/10/2020 15:38

@slashlover

ALL I want is that contact with my DS does not include him discussing any aspect of my life with his step father. Is that so hard to understand?

There's a tiny mention of that in your OP, it's mostly about the car.

Well, I managed to pick up on the core issue.
Smellbellina · 24/10/2020 15:44

He’s 37, he’s not a child, he should have more care, respect and consideration for you and what happened between you and your ex-H who isn’t even his father.
I’d feel hurt too OP, surely at some point you can expect your children to act like adults and consider how their actions will impact their relationship with you, I wouldn’t expect any less at his age.

Smellbellina · 24/10/2020 15:48

I agree, I agree I have made it all about me. I agree that I am unreasonable. I agree that my DC's have the right to see who they want and talk about what they want. I agree that I only started to talk about what is said in contact in my third post when people started to pick up stuff that was hard to see. I agree that I still feel some trauma from the time I was married and that this sometimes comes back and makes it hard for me to see things as I should.

Stop agreeing with such tosh OP!
You started this thread with a feeling you deserve better from your relationships, you do!

Dumakey · 24/10/2020 15:48

OP, you sound just like my mum.

Her relationship with my step father ended over 20 years ago, she still hasn't dealt with it. At the time, as late teens, it was very obvious that we had to choose where our loyalties lay. So we chose her, because she was so heartbroken.

The problem is, if my stepfather turned up on her doorstep today, she would take him back in a heartbeat. She would expect us to have a relationship with him.

It's not fair. She is very manipulative and is always playing the victim. She cant see that her life turned out the way it did partly down to her choices/ inaction.

We have a strained relationship and I don't enjoy spending time with her.

It is very sad.

Aridane · 24/10/2020 15:49

Way too much unnecessary back story there, very hard to read

No, it wasn’t - clearly set out, in paragraphs and written from the heart.

Italiangreyhound · 24/10/2020 15:57

YANBU to feel upset or pissed off.

The fact your son is 37 is not really relevant. This is the relevant bit in our opening post...

"I feel like DS is being disloyal; by his own admission he said that if the situation were reversed and I was to spend time with people who have seriously done him wrong, telling them stuff about DS and generally including them in my life he'd be really upset and pissed off with me."

I would just ignore this relationship, not tell your older son anything that you would be worried if you exh found out and wait for your exh to get bored and move on or wait for your son to realise his former step dad is using him.