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Help: at my wits end, struggling to decide whether to break up or keep persevering

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skuali66 · 31/08/2020 10:55

Hi everyone, been a lurker for a little while - have noticed people on here seem to give out good quality and supportive advice and felt like i need some rn.

For context: We are around 30 (myself just under, him just over), been together for 6 years - met half way through professional degrees at university. Both of us do shift work, full time. We have been engaged 3 years.

To begin with, this relationship was what dreams are made of, totally idyllic fairytale-like. We both knew pretty rapidly this was it. Went from 0 - 100 fairly quickly and were both ecstatic. (Not too quickly, we were friends for a number of months first, only hung out in group settings and when we were no longer working closely in a professional setting started this relationship).

DF is a wonderful person - kind, caring, loyal, polite, intelligent, supportive and easy to live with. We have similar values and goals in life. If it wasn't for covid - we would have been married a few months ago and family planning. I truly believe he has my best interest at heart.

However, he is a very poor communicator and extremely passive. In our 6+ years together we have had to live apart at times due to working in different cities - during this time he has been more than capable of adulting alone (cooking, cleaning etc). However, now that we are back to living together (not too recent, have been doing for 2 years again) everything is down to me - I also work in the same field, yet I come home and do the housework. If i ask him, he will begrudgingly do it. If I dont, he will happily live in a tip and live off mostly takeaways. However, he is an excellent cook but as the years are going by he cant be bothered to cook as much. I also know he thinks I nag him. My dilemma is: if I say nothing, nothing gets done. If I request him to do some of the chores -I am a nag. A typical conversation would go: Would you mind hoovering? 'Ill do it tomorrow' ... I was hoping to get the cleaning out of the way today so can do XYZ tomorrow. I would then proceed to doing it myself (he may sometimes help but then would be in a foul mood for the rest of the day).

I feel like I am his mother sometimes - I am the one that has to make decisions whether it is planning a holiday, deciding where/when/how to get married, buying a car etc. He is incredibly passive and generally "doesnt mind". This can be great sometimes - I wonder if in the early years I enjoyed that I could plan anything and he'd be happy (Lets go to italy this summer/ lets go hike up this mountain next weekend / lets go visit friendXYZ or go for dinner @XYZ). Which was fine for smaller decisions. Whereas now when it comes to marriage/ buying a house/ buying a car Im finding it all a bit much having to figure things out on my own.

He is also unable to talk about feelings / problems effectively. In the early days, if we had a fight he would get emotional. These days I feel like i am taken for granted, I believe he thinks neither of us would walk away.

Last year I went to my parents home for a week or so before a major professional exam. Prior to leaving we had a very minor disagreement (about something trivial like TV/food), I went home as this is where the exam center was and had no communication from DP for a whole week. Ignored my messages, missed my calls etc. On the morning of the exam he wished me good luck (& think he phoned too). This was the first time my family became aware of there being a problem. I was nervous/anxious anyway for the exam and also down because I did not know what was happening in our relationship (is he going to break up? have we already broken up? is he just toying with my emotions?) When i came back, instantly gave him a big hug to which he reciprocated and we talked about never treating the other person that way again.

When we have minor arguments, I might go spend the afternoon in a different room etc with minimal communication but have never given him the silent treatment in the same way - at most just a few hours of being in a mood, nothing a sleep wont sort out.

This bank holiday weekend, we both had separate plans to see friends/family. However a maintenance issue at our property meant one of us had to stay. This one of us was.. me. He initially agreed we would both stay till the engineer comes to sort it then part ways. However he woke up the following day and got ready to leave ASAP to my confusion. I brought up that I thought we were both going to stay at least initially, he then sulked so I suggested he just goes if hes going to be miserable by staying and not add anything to the situation. He went away. No communication was made. I cancelled my plans. He has now returned (yesterday). Still very minimal communication (he brought some homemade dinner from his mothers which he offered). Normally, I would initiate the "lets talk.." and discuss why I am upset etc apologise for whatever I may have done and move on.

However, it is ALWAYS me that does this. So I decided not to yesterday.. he did not initiate the conversation, played videogames virtually with his friends, we ended up sleeping in different rooms. Woken up today and he has gone to the gym. (he has work in a few hours and this week our shift patterns mean that we wont see eachother - im working roughly 9-5 and he starts at 4pm-2am). I desperately want to make up so we can spend a few hours together but also upset that he never initiates making up.

This cycle has gone on enough times and I feel our arguments impact me more than him (he is able to have an enjoyable time with friends.. I am studying for another exam and cannot concentrate) I think about our problems often and if this is the kind of person I want to spend the rest of my life with...
I always end up forgiving and convincing myself the good traits make up for it. But I cant help but wonder what life would be like with a man thats not so passive...

Any help/advice much appreciated. Especially regarding making him realise the impact he has on my emotional wellbeing and getting him to apologise or initiate making up.

OP posts:
AnxMummy10 · 31/08/2020 11:07

I think you are confusing passive with downright lazy, selfish and inconsiderate. This really sounds like hard work and you are right that you are not his mother but he is forcing you into this role. Add children to the mix and you will regret staying with him. He barely puts in effort now, imagine trying to get him to do anything with kids in the picture.
My dh is a passive guy but he absolutely steps up, pulls his weight and is an equal partner in our relationship.
Take it from someone who has a good marriage, this guys isnt what good relationships are built on. I would walk away.

Aerial2020 · 31/08/2020 11:12

He doesn't sound very nice.
Hmm

litterbird · 31/08/2020 11:14

It sounds like he has checked out of the relationship and is just treading water until you finish the relationship. You've tried to fix it by yourself too many times. You need to think about yourself now and what you want. Its clearly not this. I suspect he wouldn't blink an eye if you finished it today as I think that's what he wants you to do. He's not a partner to you in any sense of the word. I wouldn't get married just yet as a lot of things need to be ironed out if you choose to stay. Can you imagine bringing in a child to this relationship when he cant be bothered already. You will be run ragged doing everything and organising everything. I read many threads recently about men just letting the partners do everything and organise everything...it seems to be very popular these days on these boards.

Reubenshat · 31/08/2020 11:21

I really recommend reading the book ‘too bad to stay too good to leave’. You can download it.

It helped me filter through my relationship and I literally ended up doing a ten year inventory of my marriage.

The book sets out clear situations that effect relationships and helps you figure out if you’d be happier leaving or happier staying and working on it. The author has decades of relationship councilling experience.

I left. Married ten years with two kids. It wasn’t a bad relationship but there was always a low level of discontent and unhappiness. I’m happier now as I’m not having to deal with those things day in day out.

My ex wouldn’t do his fair share of house work and didn’t really meet my needs emotionally.

We get on much better now co parenting.

Read the book it will high light a lot of things you probably don’t realise is going on

Aquamarine1029 · 31/08/2020 11:21

You need to seriously reconsider marrying this man because your relationship is bordering on disaster. There are so many red flags I couldn't count them all.

"I feel like I am his mother sometimes"

I almost stopped reading at that. Your fiance is a manchild and it won't be getting any better.

End it and move on

LatteLover12 · 31/08/2020 11:25

It all sounds like such hard work OP.

I couldn't stay in a relationship like that for the rest of my life. If you marry and have children it will be a million times worse and you will resent him even more.

If I were you I'd leave. You'll be happier on your own and you're definitely young enough to meet someone else if that's what you'd want to do.

When I left my ex it helped to keep thinking of how I would feel if I was still
In the same situation at 40/50/60 and I just couldn't do it to myself. You only have one life.

Fairycake2 · 31/08/2020 11:26

Don't marry him would be my first piece of advice. At least not any time soon.

This sounds very like my xh and from experience it will only get worse. It's exhausting having to be the grown up all the time and builds huge resentment.

Unless he's genuinely willing to change i would suggest you think about exactly what you want and whether you can tolerate this.

Marlena1 · 31/08/2020 11:28

This isn't passive. The week at your parents would have sealed the deal for me. I have often been furious at my partner for x,y,z but before anything like an exam you park it and support them.

Blueuggboots · 31/08/2020 11:40

He sounds like a pain in the arse. Imagine you've got a child.......leave.

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 11:43

I am somewhat surprised at the overwhelmingly negative responses (but grateful nonetheless). Perhaps I am not being fair in my description. I am by no means perfect but how do I explain my flaws...
I am definitely a strong, driven, independent woman. I don't actually "need" someone in my life (i.e I am financially stable, have a good career, decent social support etc). However, I suppose I am quite emotional (i dont necessarily mean in a teary sense) but rather my highs are really high and lows are really quite low (dont worry, i definitely do not have bipolar disorder or anything of the sort) Maybe i am like this to compensate his rather euthymic mood. I like to celebrate the small wins etc.

He still has not returned from the gym. I cant decide whether to cook dinner/plan a few meals for our working week and just study for my exam. Or to sit him down for a conversation (but i dont even know where to begin.. feel like been there done that for every possible way, eg. please communicate with me or the we cant go on like this forever etc.)
My happiness is incredibly important to him. Perhaps i didnt emphasise that enough. If i try to see it from his pov.. maybe hes relieved when im in a good mood and when im not (now) he doesnt know how to make it better and maybe thinks time is the answer...
In the past I have been visibly upset, he would definitely try to do something about it or just come and be near me but I think his issue is not knowing how to make things better.
I usually just want to talk things over (which ends up being me doing the talking, him very little despite encouragement... and then we're okay for a little while and before long back in this position again).

I really dont want to give the impression that I am some sort of a saint and hes the 100% the problem. I am just not sure how to go about resolving this. I can't make him communicate better (if i ever mention that C word, the atmosphere takes a turn for the worse..)

OP posts:
Onlythepoets · 31/08/2020 11:43

I don’t think passive is the word either. Lazy? Selfish? Uncaring?

You wouldn’t be happy if you married him.

Aerial2020 · 31/08/2020 11:44

The beginning of your post is widely different to the end.
You say he has your best interest at heart but there isn't one example that proves that
He does his own thing , when he wants.
You are 2nd
Put yourself first.

Bigpaintinglittlepainting · 31/08/2020 11:44

Thank god you haven’t married and had children with this man

Aerial2020 · 31/08/2020 11:46

Your happiness is important to him?
Which example in your post is that?

PerveenMistry · 31/08/2020 11:46

Sounds so toxic. Run, run, run before kids are involved. You can do better.

Aerial2020 · 31/08/2020 11:48

You are doing the usual thing we (women I guess) in relationships do. Try to make it better
Try to see it from their point of view. Try to fix it. Worry if they're ok. Worry about the relationship.
Stop doing it. Let him help try to fix things for once.
Think how clear you head would be without all this crap in it

Aquamarine1029 · 31/08/2020 11:50

My happiness is incredibly important to him.

I think you're kidding yourself. This relationship is a disaster in slow motion.

colouringindoors · 31/08/2020 11:50

OP he sounds like my ex. He was always good with the words, but not following up with action. Maybe worth engaging in some relationship counselling if nothing else so you can express that this is not a heslthy, balanced relationship.

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 11:58

@Onlythepoets

I don’t think passive is the word either. Lazy? Selfish? Uncaring?

You wouldn’t be happy if you married him.

Perhaps I have written this when I'm feeling particularly low and hence focused on all the negatives. My friends and family think he is wonderful. He is not lazy in the traditional sense (currently at the gym, has always done sports, was on the uni team etc). I guess his threshold for doing things round the house is lower than mine i.e id already have it cleaned before its dirty enough for him to bother. Or just difference in personality - I would rather get the work out the way before having fun. Whereas hes happy to just leave it.

I don't necessarily think he is selfish either - if only one of us could have X he would generally offer it to me. Its been quite stormy weather here recently and I had to drive a fair way for something to do with me (not involving him) yet he offered to drive as he was off work too.

I think he does mean to be caring but perhaps doesn't know how to show it.

I dont want to sound like i am making excuses for his behaviour either.
He definitely is a wonderful person, that person I fell for is in there somewhere - can speak multiple languages, is always up for activities/adventures, very very (almost too) laid back, agreeable to almost any of my suggestions. Warm, caring, makes me feel safe, supportive.. I could go on.
My main issue is the lack of communication is becoming more apparent (in that he's quiet anyway but I cant be expected to read his mind, will do things without vocalising) Or a recent example - can you order X of amazon ? I checked in a few hours, he had not but then he did it without vocalising this (i also ended up buying X).
And general passivity:
he will never prevent me from doing things I like - will always encourage my social plans (I feel bad, i dont love it when he organises virtual videogaming with his friends.. but if im going out for a drink, he'll always encourage)
but very passive in that he doesnt tend to have views/opinions on most things I ask etc.
I know im rambling.. apologies.

OP posts:
Sakurami · 31/08/2020 12:02

Your happiness isn't in the least bit important to him. At all. I don't understand where you get that.

If I had had a row with someone but knew they were studying for an important exam, I would reassure them so that they would concentrate on studying and not worry. That's standard.

The other examples - you both work hard and he obviously finds planning and doing the practicalities of life a bore or hard or just can't be arsed but is happy enough to let the woman he claims to love do it all. What does that tell you very loudly and clearly?

Quite frankly I can't see he has any redeeming qualities and I don't know how you can be bothered with him.

Sakurami · 31/08/2020 12:05

He is lazy op. He likes sport and can speak languages? You're really clutching at straws here. I speak 5 languages and go to the gym....and is still manage to work and look after my kids and my home and sort the car out and organise everything. Because speaking languages and having hobbies does not exempt me from having to do all the bits that adults dom

ChickensMightFly · 31/08/2020 12:06

Thank goodness marriage and kids have been delayed!
You need a relationship which is alive, living and adaptable, that is a two-way dynamic which is responsive to each others needs. What you have is a deaf, lazy, sulky, brick wall.
My dh had some habits/did some things which weren't conducive to a two person life. I knew he was the one because we talked it through and each had the same response to a complaint which basically was - criticism - consider and listen - discuss - adjust/improve.
It has stood us in good stead, life has thrown us a few curve balls and this adapting to needs and altering habits or whatever as needs arise has been what got us through. Without a conversation which might lead to change possible you are left with the ball always in your court. It's not sustainable.

Aerial2020 · 31/08/2020 12:07

Yep, still not getting any examples OP.
The stuff you described is basic stuff in a relationship. Doesn't make him amazing.

Also, all the 'he works hard' and isn't selfish examples are all things thay benefit him
Eg gym, Uni team
When it comes to the two of you, he is selfish because he is letting you sort it out.
The house, the communication etc
What would happen if you stopped?

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 12:07

:(

OP posts:
Aquamarine1029 · 31/08/2020 12:08

You know you're not happy, you know this relationship simply isn't working for you anymore, you know he's a lazy manchild, and yet you're still making excuses for him. Just stop.

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