Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

Help: at my wits end, struggling to decide whether to break up or keep persevering

203 replies

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 10:55

Hi everyone, been a lurker for a little while - have noticed people on here seem to give out good quality and supportive advice and felt like i need some rn.

For context: We are around 30 (myself just under, him just over), been together for 6 years - met half way through professional degrees at university. Both of us do shift work, full time. We have been engaged 3 years.

To begin with, this relationship was what dreams are made of, totally idyllic fairytale-like. We both knew pretty rapidly this was it. Went from 0 - 100 fairly quickly and were both ecstatic. (Not too quickly, we were friends for a number of months first, only hung out in group settings and when we were no longer working closely in a professional setting started this relationship).

DF is a wonderful person - kind, caring, loyal, polite, intelligent, supportive and easy to live with. We have similar values and goals in life. If it wasn't for covid - we would have been married a few months ago and family planning. I truly believe he has my best interest at heart.

However, he is a very poor communicator and extremely passive. In our 6+ years together we have had to live apart at times due to working in different cities - during this time he has been more than capable of adulting alone (cooking, cleaning etc). However, now that we are back to living together (not too recent, have been doing for 2 years again) everything is down to me - I also work in the same field, yet I come home and do the housework. If i ask him, he will begrudgingly do it. If I dont, he will happily live in a tip and live off mostly takeaways. However, he is an excellent cook but as the years are going by he cant be bothered to cook as much. I also know he thinks I nag him. My dilemma is: if I say nothing, nothing gets done. If I request him to do some of the chores -I am a nag. A typical conversation would go: Would you mind hoovering? 'Ill do it tomorrow' ... I was hoping to get the cleaning out of the way today so can do XYZ tomorrow. I would then proceed to doing it myself (he may sometimes help but then would be in a foul mood for the rest of the day).

I feel like I am his mother sometimes - I am the one that has to make decisions whether it is planning a holiday, deciding where/when/how to get married, buying a car etc. He is incredibly passive and generally "doesnt mind". This can be great sometimes - I wonder if in the early years I enjoyed that I could plan anything and he'd be happy (Lets go to italy this summer/ lets go hike up this mountain next weekend / lets go visit friendXYZ or go for dinner @XYZ). Which was fine for smaller decisions. Whereas now when it comes to marriage/ buying a house/ buying a car Im finding it all a bit much having to figure things out on my own.

He is also unable to talk about feelings / problems effectively. In the early days, if we had a fight he would get emotional. These days I feel like i am taken for granted, I believe he thinks neither of us would walk away.

Last year I went to my parents home for a week or so before a major professional exam. Prior to leaving we had a very minor disagreement (about something trivial like TV/food), I went home as this is where the exam center was and had no communication from DP for a whole week. Ignored my messages, missed my calls etc. On the morning of the exam he wished me good luck (& think he phoned too). This was the first time my family became aware of there being a problem. I was nervous/anxious anyway for the exam and also down because I did not know what was happening in our relationship (is he going to break up? have we already broken up? is he just toying with my emotions?) When i came back, instantly gave him a big hug to which he reciprocated and we talked about never treating the other person that way again.

When we have minor arguments, I might go spend the afternoon in a different room etc with minimal communication but have never given him the silent treatment in the same way - at most just a few hours of being in a mood, nothing a sleep wont sort out.

This bank holiday weekend, we both had separate plans to see friends/family. However a maintenance issue at our property meant one of us had to stay. This one of us was.. me. He initially agreed we would both stay till the engineer comes to sort it then part ways. However he woke up the following day and got ready to leave ASAP to my confusion. I brought up that I thought we were both going to stay at least initially, he then sulked so I suggested he just goes if hes going to be miserable by staying and not add anything to the situation. He went away. No communication was made. I cancelled my plans. He has now returned (yesterday). Still very minimal communication (he brought some homemade dinner from his mothers which he offered). Normally, I would initiate the "lets talk.." and discuss why I am upset etc apologise for whatever I may have done and move on.

However, it is ALWAYS me that does this. So I decided not to yesterday.. he did not initiate the conversation, played videogames virtually with his friends, we ended up sleeping in different rooms. Woken up today and he has gone to the gym. (he has work in a few hours and this week our shift patterns mean that we wont see eachother - im working roughly 9-5 and he starts at 4pm-2am). I desperately want to make up so we can spend a few hours together but also upset that he never initiates making up.

This cycle has gone on enough times and I feel our arguments impact me more than him (he is able to have an enjoyable time with friends.. I am studying for another exam and cannot concentrate) I think about our problems often and if this is the kind of person I want to spend the rest of my life with...
I always end up forgiving and convincing myself the good traits make up for it. But I cant help but wonder what life would be like with a man thats not so passive...

Any help/advice much appreciated. Especially regarding making him realise the impact he has on my emotional wellbeing and getting him to apologise or initiate making up.

OP posts:
BluebellsGreenbells · 31/08/2020 13:46

Then ou have to make your decisions for your own happiness.

Start as you mean to go on.

DH for example said we’d to opposite days for washing up, only Jed leave his days, so I wouldn’t wash up till he’d done his turn, first week it took him 5 days to have his turn. It was horrendous! He never left it again.

IllustriousToad · 31/08/2020 13:46

OP, I recently got out a relationship which sounded a lot like yours. We were together 8 years. First few weeks I felt bloody awful even though I knew we should have ended it up a couple of years ago - he was my best friend, we never argued, shared similar values and all my friends and family thought he was great. But he was selfish, wasn't giving me what I needed and so passive. I often felt like his mother. Now a few months later I'm happier and can't believe I didn't value myself more.

I understand how easy it is to make excuses (I did for years) but you need to take stock and work out what you want - he will never change, so is what you have enough? It sounds like it's not. And please don't buy a house while you're deciding - it will make things 10x more complicated.

Aerial2020 · 31/08/2020 13:46

I don't think people are meaning to be negative, more realistic because they have been where you are.

NooneElseIsSingingMySong · 31/08/2020 14:03

The difficult you have here is even if you do talk to him and he does change, it’s likely to be a temporary change. So the question is do you chose to stay, knowing he will always be like this? Or do you cut your losses? Bear in mind he will be like this when you have children and believe me, a child puts so much strain on your relationship.

I’m in a similar position but we are married and have a child. Things have been slightly better since I started having counselling because I’ve changed my approach when I raise things with him, he’s less defensive than he was before. But it’s tough, really tough.

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 14:03

@Newusernamex10000

Have you considered just stopping doing everything (housework, decisions) and seeing what happens?

Your post rings fairly true to me and my relationship. I wouldn’t say it’s perfect, but I also think my partner’s good points are much more than his bad.

I also think you and I are quite similar, type a people. I am very guilty of wanting control, being a neat freak, wanting to plan everything ten years in advance. My partner is much more laid back - which means he leaves things to me but is also why we go together so well. I don’t think I could stand being in a relationship with someone as anal as me. Do you think that you’re too ready to start doing things to your standards rather than letting your partner work things out for himself?

I’ll be criticised for this but beware of Mumsnet relationship forums - the feedback is always overwhelmingly negative. To be fair mostly because people’s ops are generally written in a fairly negative way, or they wouldn’t write them in the first place

If I stop: the place will get filthy (and then he might tidy small parts of it that he notices the rest goes unnoticed), dinner he will likely make at the last minute and itd be something basic. When he has plans even if it is videogaming, he shows some organisational skills in that he will prepare dinner beforehand (often not eat it himself) but at least theres food for me when i get back. I must add aswell on the days that i work late (home ~10pm) he always has food prepared for me and vice versa. When im not there he pulls his weight reasonably well. At 10pm i dont care if the house is clean or not, Im starving and just want something to eat before bed.

In terms of decisions it would just be halted. What car? What house? It will wait till I get a chance to research into it. Occasionally he'll make a suggestion but likely wont have a huge amount of effort put into it.

Yes i'm 100% a planner! I even look at menus before going out to eat (he finds that annoying and tells me not to tell him whats on the menu, he prefers deciding there..). Hes very laid-back, e.g if something goes well lets say as an example a highstakes professional exam ill be ecstatic, probably shed a tear or two and want to celebrate with a glass of prosecco or something (whether its me or him passing said exam) and proceed to be thrilled for the forseeable future. Whereas if things go badly.. i'll be in tears regardless and likely be a bit mopey for a while, not want to do anything fun as i dont feel i deserve it, ill get over it but i need a bit of down time. Him on the other hand - his highs are never too high, perhaps just a "well done" and lows also not too low, he can still function and just takes it on the chin.

Maybe you are right re: being with someone as anal as me. I guess i can be quite particular. I probably would find it difficult if they had to have things done in very certain ways.. DP is very chilled and goes with the flow 99% of the time. If im not feeling something we change plans or if I want to try something weird he'll go with that too. Heck, he's polite enough to eat something that was probably gone off that I once made. He wont ever criticise me when it comes to such things. The criticism is mainly around me nagging him to do basic chores.
He has sometimes said whats the point in me doing XYZ, you wont like it / will do it again anyway. I dont completely disagree with this but i think i have higher standards or am more particular whenit comes to certain things. I guess if we take the hoovering example, if you do it do it to a decent standard! if theres hairs/muck lying around yes i probably will just hoover again. Just using this to illustrate a point by the way, i really am not that tidy of a person! (just am compared to him)

Thank you for your final comment too, I am new to MN so thats useful.

OP posts:
skuali66 · 31/08/2020 14:07

@ariel2020
Thanks for the suggestions - those things work for me only for a short while/ while im doing it.
Ultimately, I need to be in a good headspace - whether that means making up or putting a plan in place to work on our problems... or breaking up (hopefully not). I just need clarity so I dont spend all my time thinking about this and can focus on other activities be it studying or giving my time to someone else (my mother is incredibly quick to pick if my mood is even slightly off - i think it doesnt help that normally im very chatty and smily and positive that it makes it easier to notice when im not my usual energetic self)

OP posts:
skuali66 · 31/08/2020 14:07

[quote Hidingtonothing]Here you go OP www.docdroid.net/tq5cfMC/too-good-to-leave-or-too-bad-to-stay-pdf[/quote]
thanks very much!

OP posts:
Ellie56 · 31/08/2020 14:07

DF is a wonderful person - kind, caring, loyal, polite, intelligent, supportive and easy to live with Hmm that's not the impression I'm getting.

He sounds like hard work and a waste of space. Relationships aren't supposed to be this difficult.

You deserve more than a sulky manchild who expects you to be his mother. Don't buy a house with him. And FGS don't ever have children with him.

FinallyHere · 31/08/2020 14:10

He has sometimes said whats the point in me doing XYZ, you wont like it / will do it again anyway

Ah, that old chestnut.

Dery · 31/08/2020 14:22

@skuali66 - sorry, I am oversimplifying - of course, you need to be comfortable that the time has arrived for you to walk away and it looks like that hasn't quite happened yet.

Like you - I would have found it very hard to concentrate on work or study if I was emotionally distressed, which is why I think his behaviour around your exam was truly appalling. But since you have exams coming up in a few months and aren't feeling desperate to get away, it makes sense to focus on your exam preparation and then take stock afterwards.

Good luck with your exams, OP!

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 14:33

Hes soon to go to work and as I said with out shift patterns we wont see eachother till next weekend. Tell me I am about to make a mistake.. but I think i want to make up with him (as usual) but if only it will mean i am more likely to focus on my work and studying for the rest of the week... thoughts?

OP posts:
ChickensMightFly · 31/08/2020 14:36

I think, ultimately although you're getting a theme to your replies here, you will know which ones strike a chord in your situation, and as such should be noted.
Yes, you might have shone a light on the bad aspects of your relationship and be hearing assessments based on that, but they come from a place of the kind of life experience you're currently going through. You'll have your own hindsight in time and be trying to give someone else the benefit of it one day. Grin
Meanwhile, while there is doubt, it goes without saying don't buy that house or anything more serious.
I hope you come through this happy with your decisions. A crystal ball would be brilliant sometimes wouldn't it.

ChickensMightFly · 31/08/2020 14:40

@skuali66

Hes soon to go to work and as I said with out shift patterns we wont see eachother till next weekend. Tell me I am about to make a mistake.. but I think i want to make up with him (as usual) but if only it will mean i am more likely to focus on my work and studying for the rest of the week... thoughts?
If you're not ready, you're not ready. If you break up before you are certain you'll be tortured with the what if's, find it harder to move towards the future with a clear heart, more likely to go back if he asks and drag the whole thing out even longer. Take your opportunity while you stay to convert to him what you are feeling and be grateful, very very grateful you don't have houses marriages and children to make it more complicated. Good luck
ChickensMightFly · 31/08/2020 14:40

Convey not convert

BluebellsGreenbells · 31/08/2020 14:41

The criticism is mainly around me nagging him to do basic chores

He’s obviously an intelligent man. Ask him. How can we solve the basic chore issue? What are you prepared to do to pull your weight around the house?

BluebellsGreenbells · 31/08/2020 14:41

Oh and I wouldn’t make it up to him because he’ll just feel justified in his actions as always

ChickensMightFly · 31/08/2020 14:45

Also, could you not drop the everything is perfect fallacy with a trusted person like your mum and discuss it with her. The pressure for you to stay cos everyone loves him is coming from the fact that they only see the positive side.
It's there not a good friend or family member who you could confide in so you feel that pressure less and have someone in rl who knows him well to give an outside opinion?

skuali66 · 31/08/2020 14:49

@BluebellsGreenbells

Oh and I wouldn’t make it up to him because he’ll just feel justified in his actions as always
This just happened. I've gone to sit next to him while he's gaming to say I'm not able to concentrate on my work. Met with no response. This sort of behaviour really makes me want to break up. How do I say this without it coming across like an empty threat?

I know you all won't believe me but there are many positives preventing me from ending everything immediately. I am grateful for everyone's responses on here but right now im not ready to break up unless I absolutely have to, I guess I'm looking for advice how to deal with silent treatment

OP posts:
BluebellsGreenbells · 31/08/2020 14:53

Would you let your mother/aunt/uncle/sister/best friend treat you like this?

Dery · 31/08/2020 14:55

"Tell me I am about to make a mistake.. but I think i want to make up with him (as usual) but if only it will mean i am more likely to focus on my work and studying for the rest of the week... thoughts?"

For now, your work and exams are the most important thing. So in your shoes, I would do whatever I needed to do to get myself more comfortable and able to focus and if that included apologising, then I would do that. You're doing it for your peace of mind which is the most important thing right now. Focus on yourself for the next few months.

What I absolutely wouldn't do at this present time is anything that would bind me deeper to this man: don't buy a property with him; don't marry him. The exams and the COVID-19 situation generally give you perfect reasons for postponing those steps without it looking suspicious. And you will have time to consider your position once you have your exams out of the way. (I still think, ultimately, you should end the relationship - you can't continue a relationship based on perseverance - but that's for another time).

Dery · 31/08/2020 15:01

Just seen your latest. It suggests that, as far as your partner is concerned, you haven't grovelled enough yet. You do know this is abusive, don't you? This is all part of training you not to argue with him and to be satisfied with crumbs.

Where are the positives, OP? Because the negatives are overwhelming and the positives are miniscule. Surely you see this is not a man who cares about your happiness and wellbeing.

In terms of conveying just how upset you are and just how detrimental this is to your relationship, you could perhaps say you are thinking of going to your parents for a while because you find it too painful to be around him when he is just ignoring you. And make it clear that you are thinking about whether there is a future to your relationship. Have you ever said that to him? If not, say it now.

JamieLeeCurtains · 31/08/2020 15:01

@skuali66

Hes soon to go to work and as I said with out shift patterns we wont see eachother till next weekend. Tell me I am about to make a mistake.. but I think i want to make up with him (as usual) but if only it will mean i am more likely to focus on my work and studying for the rest of the week... thoughts?
Yeah, I recognise this pattern. You're addicted to the emotional relief and release.

It's up to you if you can live like this long-term, but please don't inflict this kind of marriage on children. It's terribly hard to be a child of a marriage like this.

Dery · 31/08/2020 15:06

I know you're busy with study and work but I wonder whether you might find it helpful to read "Women Who Love Too Much" by Robin Norwood. Although the book is focused on women who are in overtly destructive relationships with their partner, she examines how little the women demand for themselves and how much they are willing to give to their partners and also the addictive nature of dysfunctional relationships. I think there may be useful material in there for you.

DarkmilkAddict · 31/08/2020 15:13

Dery that is an unbelievably useful book. I got so much from it. I think 99% of women would benefit from reading it, to counteract our cultural training to be loving and selfless. Really good call

Dery · 31/08/2020 15:19

Thanks, @DarkmilkAddict! I remember my mum reading it when it first came out and I have read it since myself. Like you, I thought it was really eye-opening.

Swipe left for the next trending thread