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Trivial arguments about my car

221 replies

SeagrassGreen · 09/07/2020 23:36

My car is making unhealthy sounding noises for the last couple of weeks. DH has a mate who likes to tinker and he thinks this would be a cheaper option than taking it to a garage. Friend has no training other than kit cars are a hobby and I don't want him trying to fix my car and then live with the worry that it might not be safe or have him break it still further.

I know this sounds completely trivial. I am a bit of an anxious person about stupid things like dealing with garages so it does take me longer to do these things than most people so he is just trying to help in many ways. He thinks I am too 'uptight'.

Anyway, I declined the offer from his friend and have booked the garage but he has been grumpy for days as I will probably be a bit anxious until it's fixed and 'this will lead to an argument'. He thinks that the friend would have had a go and it would all be done by now. Then the final straw was on Monday. I had to help my mother with her shopping, she did take a long time and I was late back by about an hour. Since then he has been in full on cold shoulder. I do have a slightly difficult relationship with my mother which he knows affects me too so thinks that I should be more boundaried in my time with her to limit that effect. He also is someone who is always on time and can't understand those who are not and considers it really rude. We also are really busy with work at the moment so don't have much time together and he feels I am not prioritising our time and that he has no control over any aspect of our lives at the moment.

It is a bit hard to explain but he has really helped me over the years. I am indecisive and anxious although you would probably not guess that if you met me. He has made me do things I used to avoid but wanted to do so lots of things in my life are better. I don't have a lot of confidence and it probably means I have become quite dependent on him so when we have these arguments he will suddenly withdraw until I can coax him out of it but that can take days. Equally, maybe it is fair enough for him to withdraw for a couple of days.

The difficulty is how to manage it. It has always happened every so often and with the stress of trying to keep the business afloat recently it is happening a bit more often I think. It's so exhausting to have to manage on top of everything. I have tried telling him how it affects me but he says it is just how he is and not to worry. I wonder if I should have just got the friend to look at the car.

How have people dealt with this kind of argument?

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dublingirl66 · 16/07/2020 22:50

Gosh poor you

And from experience can I stay do not go hard on yourself re missed red flags etc

I left
Went back
Got abused
Left
Went back
On and on

It was so hard
And he had me convinced no one would believe me

Stay strong
You sound like you have your head screwed on

Lots of us on here to help so do keep posting
And
WELL DONE XXX

BurtsBeesKnees · 17/07/2020 08:02

Do you have someone who can go with you? Just in case he's there on Monday

FizzyGreenWater · 17/07/2020 09:33

If you are worried that he will guess that you are likely to leave and hide documentation etc then would it be an idea to go back, lull him into thinking you are back for good and all is ok? Then you'll have time in the house to at least note where everything is or find it, and then when he does go out on Monday you can pack and go.

I understand that it would mean subjecting yourself to a weekend of ranting but thinking of the longer term goal, would that be better than possibly not being able to get hold of stuff you own?

SeagrassGreen · 17/07/2020 18:55

Another bunch of Flowers for you lot and all your advice! Today went really well. My client is happy and I have managed to do loads.

I am concentrating on work today and then will make a plan about the rest later.
I can't face going back for the weekend, I know that at least.

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Happynow001 · 17/07/2020 19:05

Well done @SeagrassGreen

Another positive step towards a better future. One step at a time.. Hold onto your courage and grey-rock as much as you can, when you need to. 🌹

picklemewalnuts · 17/07/2020 19:36

Well done! You've taken a lot on board, so fast. Well done.

category12 · 17/07/2020 20:20

No, I wouldn't go back while he's there, you might end up being guilted or confused back into place.

Documents, even important ones, you can replace if needs be. Photos not so much, but hopefully you have them digitally somewhere?

None of it is worth going back too soon and risking ending up back to square one. (And though he may not be violent usually, this would be the most likely time that he could be dangerous). I'd wait until Monday and only if the coast is definitely clear.

category12 · 17/07/2020 20:23

And well done on your meeting! See, you are very capable.

Dery · 17/07/2020 20:28

Also - is there someone you could take with you when you go back to collect your stuff on Monday? Just in case he does deliberately remain at home in order to persuade you to stay or decides he's going to become physically violent. And you could probably do with some help collecting your stuff in any case, couldn't you? So if he is there and you arrive with a friend in tow, you can explain it that way. You don't need to say you've brought them along for protection...

pickingdaisies · 18/07/2020 15:11

What Dery says. So pleased about your client meeting 😊

SeagrassGreen · 19/07/2020 14:12

All going well so far. I had a bit of a wobble last night thinking how would I manage and have had a whole lot more messages from DH and family which I have ignored. Mum was half supportive and have critical. She disapprovingly told me she thinks young people give up too easily on marriage and is trying to get me to go to counselling. I have said no and might need to avoid her for a bit too I think.
I have a list for Monday and am trying not to worry about it. I dont think he would ever get physical but I dont want the confrontation.
Daughter was watching Tangled again by chance. Wow, seeing that in a whole new light now having read that Bancroft book Shock

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billy1966 · 19/07/2020 15:20

You are doing so well P, best of luck.Flowers

picklemewalnuts · 19/07/2020 18:57

I watch so many programmes in a new light! A whole genre of fiction spoiled for me, by understanding control and coercion!
Hey ho.

Well done for sticking to your guns, OP. I've not heard anything from anyone that suggests they have your interests at heart!

pickingdaisies · 20/07/2020 14:52

Hope it's going ok for you today Seagrass, thinking of you and sending strength.

SeagrassGreen · 20/07/2020 20:53

It has been a rubbish day. I did manage to get into the house to get almost all the things I wanted which is one very good thing. However, it was hard being back in the house and I kept thinking about all the good times. Despite everything there were quite a few.
I had to have more conversation with DH about work and he combined that with a long plead about how much he loves me. In amongst it were a few comments from people along thr lines of 'is seagrass ok, she seems to be unravelling' and a client calling to say he was worried I did not have a grip on what was happening. According to DH he said I seemed vague and distracted on a call and asked if DH could be the key contact. I have no idea if this is true or whether DH is just saying it to make me doubt myself. I've always believed what he has said about these things but am no longer sure what to think. Either way it is playing on my mind. Sad

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category12 · 20/07/2020 21:09

It's him manipulating you again. Anything that comes from him is intended to make you second-guess yourself.

It's entirely in his interests to make you feel like you can't manage on your own and he knows exactly what buttons to push to get to you. Those comments he's relayed to you are entirely his own invention.

category12 · 20/07/2020 21:11

Although I wouldn't put it past him to be poisoning the well with your clients.

Don't forget the time he lost you a client on purpose because he was angry with you.

SeagrassGreen · 20/07/2020 21:44

Yes, those things are true category12 . I can see that might be the effect he is aiming for - the 'why' he is doing it on one level at least. I just still find it so hard to think of him as wanting to hurt me - that 'why' I still dont understand. I do think he loves me, why would you want to hurt someone you love? Sad Does he really think he is doing me some good or is it all just self centred and pretend?

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BurtsBeesKnees · 20/07/2020 21:45

Please don't read too much into what he's said about client (easy to say, not to do), but you came out of your meeting on a high, you were pleased with the outcome, which usually means the customer was too. You are good at reading people, you'd have known if you'd been distracted and if it had impacted the meeting.

If he says it again, simply reply 'thanks ex, but I've got it from here' as for the comments about you 'unravelling' I call bullshit on that too' it's all part of his game to get you to doubt yourself and fall back in line.

Remember this is YOUR business. If you do lose a client, (which you won't) them so be it, it's your mistake to learn from

Aussiebean · 20/07/2020 21:49

Ring up the client he called and Say that you are checking in ask them how they are feeling about what you have done so far and if there are any changes they want to make with how you are doing what you are doing.

Don’t tell him you are doing that.

If they mention having spoken to him or that they prefer working with him then the you have one answer.

If they don’t, then you need to start removing him from hour business

Aussiebean · 20/07/2020 21:49

Your

picklemewalnuts · 20/07/2020 21:57

As Aussie says.

He thinks he's doing it for your own good, as though you are a child. Truth is, even if he had your best interests at heart (which he does not), he isn't allowed to behave like that. You are an adult with capacity. You can make your own decisions. Support and help look nothing like taking over and making things harder. Know the tree by it's fruit.

category12 · 20/07/2020 21:59

I do think he loves me, why would you want to hurt someone you love?

Love's a bit of a red herring, I think. We get taught that love is precious and rare and we need to cling on to it, and that it conquers all and makes pain & stress worthwhile. But it's not true. Love is only valuable when it's in a healthy reciprocal relationship.

And how he loves you is not necessarily the same kind of way that you love him. He loves you when you fit the box he wants you in - as soon as you're not exactly in place, he needs to stomp you back in there.

My ex was devastated when I split up with him and I still believe that he loved me as much as he was capable of and in the way he was capable of - but that didn't make any difference to the way he treated me being utter shite and our relationship being very bad for me.

BurtsBeesKnees · 20/07/2020 22:02

do think he loves me, why would you want to hurt someone you love?

That would mean he considers your feelings op. I doubt he even thinks of them, its simply his way of trying to bring you back in line, get you to doubt yourself, lack of self confidence

ButteryPuffin · 20/07/2020 22:23

In amongst it were a few comments from people along thr lines of 'is seagrass ok, she seems to be unravelling' and a client calling to say he was worried I did not have a grip on what was happening.

Projecting, big time. He's the one who's unravelling (as his sister has said), he's the distracted one. But since you know now that any relationship issue is reframed by him as coming from you (you've 'shut down communication' when it was him who refused to talk, and so on) that's what he's doing here. Don't be taken in by this. It's him, not you.