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Trivial arguments about my car

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SeagrassGreen · 09/07/2020 23:36

My car is making unhealthy sounding noises for the last couple of weeks. DH has a mate who likes to tinker and he thinks this would be a cheaper option than taking it to a garage. Friend has no training other than kit cars are a hobby and I don't want him trying to fix my car and then live with the worry that it might not be safe or have him break it still further.

I know this sounds completely trivial. I am a bit of an anxious person about stupid things like dealing with garages so it does take me longer to do these things than most people so he is just trying to help in many ways. He thinks I am too 'uptight'.

Anyway, I declined the offer from his friend and have booked the garage but he has been grumpy for days as I will probably be a bit anxious until it's fixed and 'this will lead to an argument'. He thinks that the friend would have had a go and it would all be done by now. Then the final straw was on Monday. I had to help my mother with her shopping, she did take a long time and I was late back by about an hour. Since then he has been in full on cold shoulder. I do have a slightly difficult relationship with my mother which he knows affects me too so thinks that I should be more boundaried in my time with her to limit that effect. He also is someone who is always on time and can't understand those who are not and considers it really rude. We also are really busy with work at the moment so don't have much time together and he feels I am not prioritising our time and that he has no control over any aspect of our lives at the moment.

It is a bit hard to explain but he has really helped me over the years. I am indecisive and anxious although you would probably not guess that if you met me. He has made me do things I used to avoid but wanted to do so lots of things in my life are better. I don't have a lot of confidence and it probably means I have become quite dependent on him so when we have these arguments he will suddenly withdraw until I can coax him out of it but that can take days. Equally, maybe it is fair enough for him to withdraw for a couple of days.

The difficulty is how to manage it. It has always happened every so often and with the stress of trying to keep the business afloat recently it is happening a bit more often I think. It's so exhausting to have to manage on top of everything. I have tried telling him how it affects me but he says it is just how he is and not to worry. I wonder if I should have just got the friend to look at the car.

How have people dealt with this kind of argument?

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SeagrassGreen · 10/07/2020 01:03

A sort of quick ticking noise Tiny. My unnecessary garage reviewing tells me it could be tappets or a number of things

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SeagrassGreen · 10/07/2020 01:05

How would I redraw the relationship?

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TinySongstress · 10/07/2020 01:07

It could. Knocking injector (if it's diesel), pulley or auxiliary pump.
What car/year is it?

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/07/2020 01:08

@SeagrassGreen

How would I redraw the relationship?
With the help of a counselor, you install boundaries. You stop defining yourself as anxious, procrastinating and incapable. You therefore either decide to accept you think deeply before decisions and there's nothing wrong with that or you work on it for yourself. Without him inserting himself into that process.

I assume the relationship will probably end because he likes you needy. But maybe it'll all work out.

SeagrassGreen · 10/07/2020 01:08

He finds it difficult to make joint decisions. Either he does it all or I do it all is his view. I suppose whenever we have these arguments these questions occur to me. Then we make it up and he is so convincing that I genuinely think it is all my fault.

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ShinyFootball · 10/07/2020 01:11

Your thread title is the least of it.

Your car up to you. I wouldn't personally hand my car over to a tinkerer to have a bash at.

The other stuff.

Precis. Your mum is horrible and undermines you. You are anxious lacking confidence etc. You upbringing will have had a lot to do with that.

Your partner sounds horrible too though. Also controlling. You are constantly trying to placate.

Do you have kids?
Do you have friends/ other family who are nice?

HeddaGarbled · 10/07/2020 01:12

These two bits:

he would admit he is a bit controlling but says that is how it is if I want advice, otherwise dont ask for help

But the constant silent treatment is increasingly unbearable. I have asked him how he is every half an hour, taken him tea and food, triedto show absolutely no irritation. I know it will take a while yet before he will start to talk and that itself is inevitably a 3 hour argument. If I ignore him then he eventual argument is usually even worse as added to that will be the offence of not caring enough to try to cheer him up. I know it's not right but then I get doubts about maybe I'm the same. He complains about a sense of having to tread on eggshells with me too so maybe I'm not seeing it

MikeUniformMike · 10/07/2020 01:12

I'd break up with him OP. I could not tolerate the moodiness.

You would survive on your own. You are more resilient than you think.
You need to address the anxiety, which you are.

You can't rely heavily on another person, because sooner or later they leave, even if it is by dying of old age.

I'd be bloomin' well annoyed if you ignored my suggestion to have a friend give a free opinion, but it is your car, and if you wanted to get it checked by a professional, that was up to you.

MikeUniformMike · 10/07/2020 01:13

which you are doing. bit past my bedtime

SeagrassGreen · 10/07/2020 01:17

I have already decided that aspect of myself needs work. It has too much impact on my life. He really seems to at least give the impression of wanting to help me be more more decisive. I find it hard to believe he is not trying to help, even if some of the methods are misplaced.

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category12 · 10/07/2020 01:23

Reversing victim and offender is another classic emotionally abusive move. Everything ends up your fault somehow.

If you want to change things, you have to realise that a relationship isn't how you "fix" yourself. Even with a non-abusive person, it's not healthy. But you'll not get far with conquering your anxiety when you're living with someone who punishes you emotionally and withdraws from you.

SeagrassGreen · 10/07/2020 01:30

Thankyou. I clearly need to have a think. Should I ignore him for now whilst he is sulking? I need to try to get some sleep at least.

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SeagrassGreen · 10/07/2020 01:32

Goodnight, I appreciate your time and will read anything further tomorrow x

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ElJMol · 10/07/2020 01:39

As I read through your opening thread, huge alarm bells sounded to ring. "He's helped you, he's fixed you, moody as late back from being with your mum etc" it sounds like he is very controlling and then you said that you couldn't cope without him. This is how someone who is coercive and controlling makes you and wants you to feel that you cannot life without them.

He's playing the part of you being the victim and him fixing you and needing him.

Every reply you came back with (if you look back over it) is how he's fixed you, helped you etc and the fact you have to coax him to start speaking to you, again giving him "power" that you need him.
This is giving all the warnings Of emotional abuse. If you don't try and coax him it leads to more arguments as you're not trying hard enough.
I just want to say you can cope without any man! You need to believe in you and not everything your DH is feeding you.

Maybe try some therapy such as counselling about your anxiety and see what comes out of that.

It's not my place to tell you to leave him etc but the only person who can fix you.... is you and you can with the RIGHT help from the RIGHT people. X

itsallforentertainment · 10/07/2020 02:59

Get your car fixed by a qualified mechanic and know that is fixed as it should be with hopefully a guarantee of work
If he wants to sulk or play games ignore his behaviour unfortunately you have a right to think and feel.
So what life happens you where late. His expectations are based on what and reality need to relax and get real
Gosh you sound like me.. i don't have a husband thoughI had the same worry about my car needing something and I dealt with it and the service was great and friendly.

I think facing your uncomfortable fears begins to relieve them.
Make friends and reel in contacts it's time to spread your support and not have him taking over. Disempowering you Is control.
Book the car in, walk in smiling and just deal with it without to much worry.. except for the bill!

rvby · 10/07/2020 03:12

@SeagrassGreen so he has helped you a bit - do you feel that coping with the pain of his silent treatment is the price you need to pay for that help?

Because to me it just sounds like he is a person who has good and bad qualities, and that his bad qualities are really quite painful for you to live with. His good qualities don't take that pain away - that's not how it works really.

Silent treatment is a death knell for a relationship. It really is. It shows deep disrespect and cruelty. Especially the fact that you fear the arguments that come when you haven't adequately pandered to him Sad he knows he is hurting you and making you anxious and he really doesn't care. That isnt a man who is on your team. It's a man who wants you to fit under his boot.

If my dp and I were in your situation, he would be working to reduce my anxiety as much as possible, including getting out of my way and just supporting me if I'd decided on a particular course of action. I hope one day you have the same kind of love and respect from a partner. This guy doesn't sound capable of it tbh.

timeisnotaline · 10/07/2020 03:43

It’s fine to go he’s helped you, that was nice, he’s also a hypocrite who treats you pretty shittily so thanks for the good times and I’m better off moving on now. which sounds like the right way to go.

What if you said ive realised you spend a lot of time making me feel as bad as my mother does so no idea why you don’t want me spending time with her. You just do it differently, all assholes are different I guess.

Arrivederla · 10/07/2020 05:47

You have two abusive people in your life op and have had for years. No wonder you are anxious and indecisive.

SoloMummy · 10/07/2020 07:41

@SeagrassGreen

Thanks everyone,

The issue with my mother is that she is quite negative about me. I had not really realised this until he last few years but she is constantly subtly criticising which dh picked up. So he thinks if I limit contact then my mood is better which is right I have to say.

He picked it up, he wants to limit your time,,,, sounds more to me like he wants to isolate and control you...
SouthernComforts · 10/07/2020 07:50

Wow, he is extremely controlling, and sulks if you don't follow orders! You think he's made you better, but it sounds like he's trained you into an obedient passive person.

BurtsBeesKnees · 10/07/2020 07:53

So you're not allowed to make any decisions without his say so, and if you do he sulks. He sulks if you are late and you walk on eggshells. Sounds like you are in an emotionally abusive relationship

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/07/2020 08:08

What MrsTerryPratchett wrote.

What did you learn about relationships when you were growing up?.

You basically married another not too dissimilar version of your mother; a woman who herself taught you to be both anxious and avoidant. She is where all that started with you. Your own fear, obligation and guilt leads you still into having some sort of relationship with her.

Xiaoxiong · 10/07/2020 08:11

Can I just ask, did you get along ok with your mother before he came along and "helped you see" that she is negative and critical?

Is she negative and critical about him and your relationship by any chance?

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/07/2020 08:18

You have two abusers in your life; your mother and your now husband.

What are your boundaries like here with regards to these two?. They need urgent revising and I would seriously now consider counselling on your own; the two of them have taken full advantage of your own poor boundaries.

Re your H the responsibility for his sulks aka emotional abuse is all his and his alone. He is not above doing DARVO on and against you either (as category12 rightly points out). Do not continue to talk to him every 30 minutes or make him tea!. Ignore him completely and get on with your day. He likes the power he has over you, disempowering you is all part of that too - something that your mother instilled in you. She installed those buttons and he has further capitalized on that.

Re your mother I would urge you to read "Toxic Parents" written by Susan Forward. She is in those pages and it may be an idea too for you to post on the current May 2020 version of the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread.

TorkTorkBam · 10/07/2020 08:40

Do not coax him out of it. At all. Just leave him to stew.

He can engage with you when he has finished sulking. Do fun things yourself (without trying to use it to coax him into being nice).

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