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Trivial arguments about my car

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SeagrassGreen · 09/07/2020 23:36

My car is making unhealthy sounding noises for the last couple of weeks. DH has a mate who likes to tinker and he thinks this would be a cheaper option than taking it to a garage. Friend has no training other than kit cars are a hobby and I don't want him trying to fix my car and then live with the worry that it might not be safe or have him break it still further.

I know this sounds completely trivial. I am a bit of an anxious person about stupid things like dealing with garages so it does take me longer to do these things than most people so he is just trying to help in many ways. He thinks I am too 'uptight'.

Anyway, I declined the offer from his friend and have booked the garage but he has been grumpy for days as I will probably be a bit anxious until it's fixed and 'this will lead to an argument'. He thinks that the friend would have had a go and it would all be done by now. Then the final straw was on Monday. I had to help my mother with her shopping, she did take a long time and I was late back by about an hour. Since then he has been in full on cold shoulder. I do have a slightly difficult relationship with my mother which he knows affects me too so thinks that I should be more boundaried in my time with her to limit that effect. He also is someone who is always on time and can't understand those who are not and considers it really rude. We also are really busy with work at the moment so don't have much time together and he feels I am not prioritising our time and that he has no control over any aspect of our lives at the moment.

It is a bit hard to explain but he has really helped me over the years. I am indecisive and anxious although you would probably not guess that if you met me. He has made me do things I used to avoid but wanted to do so lots of things in my life are better. I don't have a lot of confidence and it probably means I have become quite dependent on him so when we have these arguments he will suddenly withdraw until I can coax him out of it but that can take days. Equally, maybe it is fair enough for him to withdraw for a couple of days.

The difficulty is how to manage it. It has always happened every so often and with the stress of trying to keep the business afloat recently it is happening a bit more often I think. It's so exhausting to have to manage on top of everything. I have tried telling him how it affects me but he says it is just how he is and not to worry. I wonder if I should have just got the friend to look at the car.

How have people dealt with this kind of argument?

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category12 · 11/07/2020 12:26

Oh yes, you can, you're more competent than you think. You're stronger than you think. You're a survivor. You just have had a life so far with people who keep you down.

Have a look at the shark cage metaphor: www.oomm.live/the-shark-cage-metaphor-spotting-potential-abusers/

It sounds like you grew up with an inadequate shark cage because of your mum.

ButteryPuffin · 11/07/2020 12:26

You don't have to to do it all in one go, OP. But I would be confident you are a lot more capable than you think.

SeagrassGreen · 11/07/2020 15:56

The shark cage makes sense thanks. I have horrible difficulty saying no. That was part of the whole anxiety about the garage. I know it sound stupid but part of the reason I spend so much time researching is I know I wont be able to say no if I get a quote for something. I somehow feel guilty for wasting their time.

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SeagrassGreen · 11/07/2020 16:05

The business is going to be a massive problem. It is mine to start with before we met but was smaller and I was struggling with paperwork as I tend to procrastinate. Dh has really helped expand it but now he does quite a bit of the complex stuff that I dont have a clue about anymore. He is really good with this sort of thing and he could easily just ruin it all out of spite. I suppose he will be entitled to some of it in any divorce settlement too.

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BaronessBomburst · 11/07/2020 16:15

Other issues aside, there is nothing wrong in reading lots of reviews and mulling things over for a few weeks before making a decision. It's not a character flaw, it's just a different way of approaching it. My DH is exactly the same but I just let him get on with making his own decisions in his own time. It was your car and not affecting any one else so your DH needs to stay out if it.

SeagrassGreen · 11/07/2020 16:25

In the past I have done this excessively it is true. I never seem to have time for anything and this is one of the things I have identified as a problem- I just cant make decisions.

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Happynow001 · 11/07/2020 16:32

@SeagrassGreen

Sometimes I have absolutely no idea at all what I have done for days.
I've lived with someone like this in the past. It made me feel uncomfortable, unloved and anxious. I would never do this again. Living alone for a while is preferable to this.

category12 · 11/07/2020 16:52

You can make decisions - you did decide what you wanted to do about your car, and you knew what you didn't want.

You have to stop buying into your own denigration, stop talking yourself down - if you're telling yourself and everyone around you that you can't do this, and can't do that, you're reinforcing that narrative for yourself.

You started your own business, which is amazing. Anything he does by way of paperwork, someone else could do - an accountant or admin person, depending what it is.

PicsInRed · 11/07/2020 17:05

I think her targeted you due to your abusive childhood.

I would do the Freedom Programme and dump the coercive controlling abusive boyfriend.

Re: your mother, google enmeshment.

NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 12/07/2020 03:04

Is your mother actually critical of you or is he.trying to isolate you?

I think you need to think about whether this.relationship is.right for you but in the meantime I would suggest stop managing him. If he cold shoulders you,just ignore him and do your own thing till he comes round. If you're frightened to do that,you need to.get.out

For.what it's worth I wouldn't let an unqualified mate do work on my car either.

rvby · 12/07/2020 05:41

doesnt everyone sulk sometimes? Kids alway seem to and you always seem to read about adults doing it too? it's so chilling to read your posts op. No, emotionally healthy adults do not sulk. Sulking is what you do when you have poor relationship skills (e.g. a child) and/or you know you dont have a leg to stand on so you resort to bullying tactics in order to break the other person down.

Your expectation of what is normal is actually quite upsetting. I'm so sorry your life sounds like its been overrun by horrible, manipulative, spiteful and destructive people. Why did you go ahead with the wedding when it was so anxious and awful for you?

Do you have anyone in your life who is simply in your corner? Xx

SeagrassGreen · 12/07/2020 10:42

Morning, thanks for all your supportive messages x
No more- well now I'm not sure about my mother! It has to come from somewhere I suppose. I do think she is interfering and often questions my decisions but it may be based on worrying. So for example she hates me going away anywhere on my own. I went up to Scotland last winter to see a very old friend I hadn't seen for years and she got quite cross, said she thought I was stupid, I couldn't do that and should wait til the summer. She was basically worried I might get stuck in snow I think but DH has always said she is just jealous she cant do it herself and not to listen to her. She cant be reassured usually and we end up just having to avoid talking about it until whatever it is is over. There is an atmosphere of disapproval until I am back home safe. On this kind of thing DH has appeared quite supportive and travel is one of the things he has helped me with. Previously I probably would have decided it was too difficult but he has got me doing much more. It was also to see a friend so he is not totally isolating me. Having said that he does discourage more casual local friendships on the basis that I get more stress than pleasure so it isnt worth it. But then, he is right about that, I find it hard to connect with people and am a bit of an introvert. It might again be one of the things I think I should do rather than really want to.

I may end up testing out ignoring his cold shouldering sooner than I would like in fact. I can see he is working up to it already. I am probably not as cheerful as usual and and he has probably picked up on this so has decided I must be working up to an argument which has put him in a bad mood. I've told him I'm tired after the last week but let's try not to fall out. He has accused me of holding a grudge. This is why I start to think he has a point and maybe I am as bad as he is and why he thinks I am the moody one.
Rvby - I went ahead with the wedding as I decided it wasn't that important to me. It is just a day after all. In some ways this is the crux of my problem. I can't work out where I should assert myself to get what I want and where others have a legitimate claim on first choices and what they want. If I had forced DH to have a small wedding then how would that have been fair on him? I seem to be an odd mix of easygoing, doormat and extremely fussy. Often the things I want are perceived as being fussy or me being awkward- like the car, the wedding or any number of other things.

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category12 · 12/07/2020 11:56

Long distance friendships aren't threatening or likely to impinge too much on daily life.

It's possible for him to be right about some things (potentially your mother / supportive in some respects) and still be controlling and abusive in other areas.

It's common for abusers to project their own behaviours onto the other person.

What's his previous relationship history?

LannieDuck · 12/07/2020 12:39

I am probably not as cheerful as usual and and he has probably picked up on this so has decided I must be working up to an argument which has put him in a bad mood.

...but didn't he tell you that it's your job to cheer him up when he's sulking, because otherwise you clearly don't care about him?

Surely that means it's also his job to cheer you up when you're less cheerful than normal? No?

So him being in a bad mood = you have to cheer him up.
You being less cheerful = he gets in a bad mood... and I'm guessing once again you have to cheer him up?

LannieDuck · 12/07/2020 12:41

He has accused me of holding a grudge.

Oh, and this bit... it's ok for him to sulk for hours (which isn't holding a grudge). But as soon as he's decided the argument is over, you're not allowed to be upset by it anymore?

He has a set of rules that apply to how you have to behave, but he doesn't have to abide by them himself. I couldn't stand that.

2155User · 12/07/2020 12:46

It is your car and therefore your choice, however even from your first post you do sound a bit of a nightmare

SeagrassGreen · 12/07/2020 18:37

Lannie, he has had one previous marriage and a couple of long term relationships. I think all ended fairly acrimonious. He admits some was his fault, likes his own way to much and I would say he is not disrespectful about previous partners. The bit about my job to cheer him up is pretty much it these days although was nor in the past.
2155 - yes, freely admit I am a bit of nightmare, hence trying to make some alterations in how I do things. However, how to do that and what to do about the arguments is my question.

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SeagrassGreen · 12/07/2020 18:43

On another note, he has gone back into a mard again. I've asked what wrong and been met with a deep sigh that I should know so what's the point in discussing and I should just leave him alone for a bit. I've told him he can talk to me whenever he likes and I hope he feels better and left him to it. Took the kids out to the park this afternoon and did not text or call. He is obviously in an absolutely foul mood now.

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PicsInRed · 12/07/2020 18:49

I think all ended fairly acrimonious. He admits some was his fault, likes his own way to much

Abusive controller who harassed the women when they attempted to leave him.

I would say he is not disrespectful about previous partners

Oh, he's too clever for that.

PicsInRed · 12/07/2020 18:51

I've asked what wrong and been met with a deep sigh that I should know so what's the point in discussing and I should just leave him alone for a bit.

Clever clogs that he is, treating you like complete shit, but has you agonising over his feelings and why he's feeling them, and what he wants...rather than thinking about whether this is even the shitty arse life you actually want for yourself.

He's a star.

SeagrassGreen · 12/07/2020 19:00

I'm a mix of enjoying not giving a toss and anxious at the moment. Last time I left it this long it led to 3 days of arguments rather than the usual few hours. He will think this is a particularly awful thing for me to do to him. But.. having decided not to waste my afternoon tiptoeing around has felt quite good. Do I just carry on and leave him to it? Or should I at least try to say something in case he wants to talk? I have no idea how long he could carry this on for he is pretty stubborn. Seems a bit mean and childish of me too to totally leave it.

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category12 · 12/07/2020 20:58

But not mean and childish of him to act this way?

I hope you stick to not pandering to his sulk.

ButteryPuffin · 12/07/2020 21:11

Leave him to it! He's told you to leave him alone for a bit, and you are honouring that wish. You've also told him he can talk whenever he's ready. What else should you do exactly?

You will feel anxious for periods regardless. But try to dwell in and make the most of the periods of time when you don't give a shit. Note how freeing that is. And when he makes his next move, it may show you that actually the point of this game is that whatever you do, he will tell you you've done the wrong thing. Just watch and see.

SeagrassGreen · 12/07/2020 21:12

Yes that's true. Always felt it takes two to argue though and that two wrongs done make a right.
I am still doing my own thing and ignoring the mood. I am thinking about taking myself completely away tomorrow if he is still like this and staying in the flat for a bit with the kids. There is some painting to be done and it would remove his audience. Not sure if it would be too provocative although we had discussed it anyway as a good idea to get a few things done there.

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ButteryPuffin · 12/07/2020 21:17

This isn't another wrong, though. This is neutral behaviour. You are giving him space - which, again, is what he asked for. Don't find fault with yourself!

I think the flat plan is good. Keep remembering that this is about giving him the space he has asked for. But it will also help you.

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