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Trivial arguments about my car

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SeagrassGreen · 09/07/2020 23:36

My car is making unhealthy sounding noises for the last couple of weeks. DH has a mate who likes to tinker and he thinks this would be a cheaper option than taking it to a garage. Friend has no training other than kit cars are a hobby and I don't want him trying to fix my car and then live with the worry that it might not be safe or have him break it still further.

I know this sounds completely trivial. I am a bit of an anxious person about stupid things like dealing with garages so it does take me longer to do these things than most people so he is just trying to help in many ways. He thinks I am too 'uptight'.

Anyway, I declined the offer from his friend and have booked the garage but he has been grumpy for days as I will probably be a bit anxious until it's fixed and 'this will lead to an argument'. He thinks that the friend would have had a go and it would all be done by now. Then the final straw was on Monday. I had to help my mother with her shopping, she did take a long time and I was late back by about an hour. Since then he has been in full on cold shoulder. I do have a slightly difficult relationship with my mother which he knows affects me too so thinks that I should be more boundaried in my time with her to limit that effect. He also is someone who is always on time and can't understand those who are not and considers it really rude. We also are really busy with work at the moment so don't have much time together and he feels I am not prioritising our time and that he has no control over any aspect of our lives at the moment.

It is a bit hard to explain but he has really helped me over the years. I am indecisive and anxious although you would probably not guess that if you met me. He has made me do things I used to avoid but wanted to do so lots of things in my life are better. I don't have a lot of confidence and it probably means I have become quite dependent on him so when we have these arguments he will suddenly withdraw until I can coax him out of it but that can take days. Equally, maybe it is fair enough for him to withdraw for a couple of days.

The difficulty is how to manage it. It has always happened every so often and with the stress of trying to keep the business afloat recently it is happening a bit more often I think. It's so exhausting to have to manage on top of everything. I have tried telling him how it affects me but he says it is just how he is and not to worry. I wonder if I should have just got the friend to look at the car.

How have people dealt with this kind of argument?

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SeagrassGreen · 12/07/2020 21:20

Yes that was exactly what I thought Buttery and I do feel like I've got a bit of space actually. Normally he complains after an argument that I ibviosuly was not very upset as I managed to carry with day to day stuff. Kids still need looking after if you're upset so of course I have to carry on! God knows what he will think this time. Anything less than constant pandering when he's like this and he thinks I'm not putting enough effort in.

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BurtsBeesKnees · 13/07/2020 07:30

Well done op, you are handling this really well. He asked you for space, and you're giving it to him.

I also agree with doing a bit of diy in the flat if he's still sulking. That's YOU making a decision to do something, you do realise that don't you? When you're not having to take him into account, suddenly your more than capable. That speaks volumes

pickingdaisies · 13/07/2020 12:44

Everything you do is fine, as long as it's what he thinks. But you are not allowed to make your own decisions. He is supportive of you visiting long distance friends, but discourages local friendships, because that would give you a support network. He prefers to keep you isolated so that you continue to believe that you can't do without him. He likes to have you totally dependent on him.

Whatifitallgoesright · 13/07/2020 15:09

I realise this is a thread focused on this subject and you obviously do loads of other stuff with sorting out kids and work etc but you still must spend an inordinate amount of time thinking about him, his state of mind, his levels of content/discontent etc.

Like he's taken up residence in your mind and is taking up too much space there. Space where you could be making pro-active plans for business development or doing something creative or a hobby or something that nourishes YOU and your needs.

This letting him get on with it is also you carving out some mental time for yourself. Like all new things it will take a while but gradually you'll get better at it.

SeagrassGreen · 13/07/2020 17:37

Well, we are away. I told him we were off to do some painting. He was welcome to join us later if he wanted to or wanted to talk. He replies he is not angry, just feeling depressed and unsupported and if I need him to come over or if I want to talk then he will. I didn't know what to make of that so said I can manage and hope he feels better soon. It has made me feel like I am the one throwing a strop. Probably that is the aim though.

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SeagrassGreen · 13/07/2020 17:39

I like your name whatifitallgoesright!

Yes, he takes up a lot of mental energy. It is relaxed here on my own, even with the kids wanting to help paint.

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ButteryPuffin · 13/07/2020 17:50

So he is depressed but if you 'need' him to come over he will. He wants you to be the needy one, running to him all the time, in spite of the fact it's clearly him that needs and wants the attention. You keep doing what you actually want to do. This will all become clearer still.

Dery · 13/07/2020 22:24

"So he is depressed but if you 'need' him to come over he will. He wants you to be the needy one, running to him all the time, in spite of the fact it's clearly him that needs and wants the attention. You keep doing what you actually want to do. This will all become clearer still."

This. He has relied on being able to bully you and push you around and he's trying to bring you to heel. It's bound to feel uncomfortable to resist him because it's been your instinct to try and keep him happy. He's trying to manipulate you and is eating up your emotional energy. It's desperately selfish and immature - not how healthy functioning adults behave in a relationship.

You might find it interesting to read "The Mind of the Intimate Male Abuser: How He Gets Into Her Head" by Don Hennessy.

I spend very little time thinking about my DH's emotional state and I'm sure he spends very little time thinking about mine. I'm sure it's the same for my friends and their partners. We're both adults - we have jobs and we raise our DCs together. Of course, we support each other if need be but none of this sulking and 'guess how I feel' BS. It is very significant that you are so relaxed when away from him.

category12 · 13/07/2020 22:33

Yes, it's the aim.

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 16:24

Have heard absolutely nothing from him today which is extremely unusual. How long do I keep leaving him to it? We have a work meeting on wednesday and really need to discuss it before.
On the plus side, I've cleared and painted the bedroom Grin

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Happynow001 · 14/07/2020 16:42

Why not email him OP and keep it strictly business? Put an outline in the email of what the needs of the business meeting are, bullet points on what needs to be achieved, prep to do before etc. Then the ball is in his court but you have behaved in a mature fashion.

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 16:50

Yes, I thought of that as an option. I have hesitated as I know he will see that as me caring more about the business than how he is feeling. I will have to do something by tonight if I dont hear from him.

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picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 16:54

I'm not all the way through yet, but this frustrated me enormously

"He will think this is a particularly awful thing for me to do to him"

You haven't done anything to him! He's sulking and asked you to leave him alone, and that's what you've done! I'm sure you are well past that by now, but I'm steaming at the ears with frustration for you!

picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 16:57

Ok, caught up!

Well, it would be reasonable to ring or message with a cheery
"Well, we've got loads done! It looks great! Still a bit more to do though. When do you want to talk about tomorrow's meeting?"

picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 16:58

Add a line about 'hope you're feeling a bit better, I know you were fed up, and wanted some peace and quiet.'

picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 16:59

Also,

What was his work before he joined your business?

category12 · 14/07/2020 18:33

I'd say something like "Hope the peace and quiet has done you good, shall we catch up about the meeting at [x time]?"

I wouldn't engage with what has happened by making an opening about how he was feeling as such, because he'll then expect some sort of apology or post-mortem on it all.

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 18:38

Hi pickleme, I have sent him a quick message to say I'm cooking for the kids and would he like to talk later about the meeting or discuss it tomorrow. I kept it light, talked a bit about the painting and hope he feels better. Have had a response back saying I am clearly still cross with him and not wanting to talk properly, he is very depressed but will do whatever I want about the meeting and he will try to suppress his feelings in future so he doesn't upset me any further. He is happy to help whenever I ask and accept that our relationship will be one sided.

I haven't replied yet.

He has set up and run various businesses along similar lines prior to meeting me. I dont want to say too much about exactly what as it is identifying but it is how we met. We ended up able to expand my side of things quite a lot as a result. He still have several other things I am not involved in.

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category12 · 14/07/2020 18:41

Gosh he's manipulative. What a lot of emotional blackmail and reversal of victim & offender.

BurtsBeesKnees · 14/07/2020 18:45

Wow how manipulative is he!!

I'd simply ignore the emotional blackmail and email back saying you'll talk to him at X time regarding the meeting. Hope he has a nice evening and then leave it there

ButteryPuffin · 14/07/2020 18:50

had a response back saying I am clearly still cross with him and not wanting to talk properly

My translation: you aren't upset enough about him sulking at you, and only the conversations where you soak up all his complaints like a sponge, and promise to be nicer in future, count as 'talking properly'. The conversation he wants to have is where he tells you off and you apologise repeatedly.

See how I said you'd be in the wrong no matter what you did? You've sent him a nice message, hoped he was feeling better, and it's still wrong.

It's up to you, but I would not engage with all the stuff about the one sided relationship and being upset. Avoid that guilt trip. Suggest you talk tomorrow, say you just want him to feel better and maybe say he ought to ask for his GP's help for his depression. You're doing well with all this.

YouUnlockedTheGateAnd · 14/07/2020 18:53

That reply. What a manipulative bellend

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 20:21

Urgh, just had his sister come by now. She is nice and we get on. She says she doesnt know what's up but dh seems so depressed and she is really worried and are we splitting up. She put him on the phone. He says he has been stressed for months as I know and he cant just turn off his feelings like I can. He has to put up with my issues that affect him so why cant I put up this one thing. Apparently he has no control over anything in his life anymore as everything revolves around me. This 'everything revolves around me' is a phrase he repeats constantly when we argue. I said that wasn't how I see it. He wants me go back and I've ended up saying I will go back tomorrow.
She has gone now. The thing is he is right, I don't want to talk right now. It is too much of a relief to not be talking. Then I start thinking he is right all along and I'm just creating an argument Confused

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category12 · 14/07/2020 20:29

He sent out a flying monkey.

He's totally manipulating you.

category12 · 14/07/2020 20:36

Does this have any resonance for you:

Lundy Bancroft's Mr Sensitive
"1. You seem to be hurting his feelings constantly, though you aren't sure why, and he expects your attention to be focused endlessly on his emotional injuries. If you are in a bad mood one day and say something unfair or insensitive, it won't be enough for you to give him a sincere apology and accept responsibility. He'll go on and on about it, expecting you to grovel as if you had treated him with profound cruelty. (Notice the twist here: This is just what an abuser accuses his partner of doing to him, when all she is really looking for is a heartfelt I'm sorry.)"

"2. When your feelings are hurt, on the other hand, he will insist on brushing over it quickly. He may give you a stream of pop-psychology language (Just let the feelings go through you, don't hold on to them so much, or It's all in the attitude you take toward life, or No one can hurt you unless you let them) to substitute for genuine support for your feelings, especially if you are upset about something he did. None of these philosophies applies when you upset him, however."

"3. With the passing of time, he increasingly casts the blame on to you for anything he is dissatisfied with in his own life; your burden of guilt keeps growing."

"4. He starts to exhibit a mean side that no one else ever sees and may even become threatening or intimidating."

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