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Trivial arguments about my car

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SeagrassGreen · 09/07/2020 23:36

My car is making unhealthy sounding noises for the last couple of weeks. DH has a mate who likes to tinker and he thinks this would be a cheaper option than taking it to a garage. Friend has no training other than kit cars are a hobby and I don't want him trying to fix my car and then live with the worry that it might not be safe or have him break it still further.

I know this sounds completely trivial. I am a bit of an anxious person about stupid things like dealing with garages so it does take me longer to do these things than most people so he is just trying to help in many ways. He thinks I am too 'uptight'.

Anyway, I declined the offer from his friend and have booked the garage but he has been grumpy for days as I will probably be a bit anxious until it's fixed and 'this will lead to an argument'. He thinks that the friend would have had a go and it would all be done by now. Then the final straw was on Monday. I had to help my mother with her shopping, she did take a long time and I was late back by about an hour. Since then he has been in full on cold shoulder. I do have a slightly difficult relationship with my mother which he knows affects me too so thinks that I should be more boundaried in my time with her to limit that effect. He also is someone who is always on time and can't understand those who are not and considers it really rude. We also are really busy with work at the moment so don't have much time together and he feels I am not prioritising our time and that he has no control over any aspect of our lives at the moment.

It is a bit hard to explain but he has really helped me over the years. I am indecisive and anxious although you would probably not guess that if you met me. He has made me do things I used to avoid but wanted to do so lots of things in my life are better. I don't have a lot of confidence and it probably means I have become quite dependent on him so when we have these arguments he will suddenly withdraw until I can coax him out of it but that can take days. Equally, maybe it is fair enough for him to withdraw for a couple of days.

The difficulty is how to manage it. It has always happened every so often and with the stress of trying to keep the business afloat recently it is happening a bit more often I think. It's so exhausting to have to manage on top of everything. I have tried telling him how it affects me but he says it is just how he is and not to worry. I wonder if I should have just got the friend to look at the car.

How have people dealt with this kind of argument?

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BurtsBeesKnees · 14/07/2020 20:43

Yep, read up on flying monkeys.

ButteryPuffin · 14/07/2020 20:47

If I may translate again, I see 'everything revolves around you' as the phrase he brings out when he feels things aren't revolving around him (which is what he sees as right and proper). Any moment that isn't all about him and his FEELINGS is 'all about you. He doesn't like you getting to make your own choices. So he makes out that if you ever do, you're being selfish. You're not!

picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 21:13

I'm so sorry for you Seagrass. This must feel awful. You are stuck in a really tricky place.

Enjoy the bit of time you've had on your own. Keep the boundaries in place- his emotions are his own. Yours are yours. You can support each other but you are not to blame for everything he feels.

He is a skilled spin man- he's cleverly making you the person at fault in everything.

Do not do counselling with him- he'll charm the birds out of the trees and never reveal his true self to the counsellor.

Hold on to your sense of self, he's doing a fine job of undermining you.

Thanks
SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 21:30

Yes that is familiar category 12, especially the first 2. I see the bit about flying monkeys too.

I am not sure what to do now. I've said I'll go back tomorrow but I dont want to. I cant see how on earth this argument will end, I just cant bring myself to apologise, end up in a horrible argument for hours when I've had such a nice day on my own. Equally, although I feel.guilty, I cant quite bring myself to feel he is being genuine so there doesnt seem to be much he can do either.

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YouUnlockedTheGateAnd · 14/07/2020 21:31

He is absolutely textbook, isn’t he?

Keep reading OP. I bet my overdraft that the wise vipers on here will predict his every move.

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 21:32

If I dont call again tonight then any progress we made goes out the window anyway. I know he wont call me.

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YouUnlockedTheGateAnd · 14/07/2020 21:36

Ps

Hold this thought

I am not sure what to do now. I've said I'll go back tomorrow but I dont want to. I cant see how on earth this argument will end, I just cant bring myself to apologise, end up in a horrible argument for hours when I've had such a nice day on my own

You had a nice day without him and his baggage.
Don’t go back. Don’t apologise
You said you would, but you are allowed to change your mind. he won’t like it and will give you all sorts of made up bullshit as to,how wounded he is and how wildly unreasonable you are but it’s true. Fuck him and his crap.

YouUnlockedTheGateAnd · 14/07/2020 21:37

If I dont call again tonight then any progress we made goes out the window anyway. I know he wont call me.

If I don’t call tonight I won’t have to listen to his fake woe is me. I can make progress on fixing myself.

There. Fixed it.

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 21:38

It has been an eye open reading. And usually if we argue I am in a terrible state. Today, having decided to ignore it has been so peaceful.

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category12 · 14/07/2020 21:41

How about giving Lundy's 'Why does he Do that?' a read instead.

Text him to say you've had a rethink and you need a bit of time/space on your own, and just stay away while you think about what you want to do.

picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 21:47

Just as an aside,

You can end a relationship that doesn't make you happy. Even if he isn't abusive. Even if he doesn't want to. You can choose to end a relationship.

Perhaps when the time comes for a sensible conversation, point out that you've just realised you aren't making each other happy, and need to think about that.
That isn't blaming anyone.

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 21:49

He would spot I was reading it. He has access to my bank account and emails and everything. I have checked my phone for spy apps just in case (hopefully succesfully) and set up a new email account for mumsnet.

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category12 · 14/07/2020 21:53

Oh hey OP, Sad things are worse than I thought if you don't have any privacy from him.

The book is available to read online here, tho thowww.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

category12 · 14/07/2020 21:54

oops messed up my link www.docdroid.net/py03/why-does-he-do-that-pdf

SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 22:00

Thanks xx it didn't really feel like no privacy to start with. Just that he was trying to help. I can be terrible with money so it was a way of helping me control my finances. I should have known better though from previous. At least I kept my own account.

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picklemewalnuts · 14/07/2020 22:17

Oh seagrass.

Thanks Well done for keeping that account.
SeagrassGreen · 14/07/2020 22:27

Yes, I think I am in a better position than lots of women. And I have the flat, which is also in my name still. I guess I learnt something from the ex who gambled all our money away. And with new paint it looks great today Grin
Reading that book thanks category Flowers wow, I cant put it down. I can so see him in this.

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cansu · 15/07/2020 05:56

You sound like you have been convinced that you are an anxious, indecisive person who needs to be told what to do. I don't think you are. You might be a worrier, lots of people are but that doesn't mean you can't or shouldn't make your own decisions. The stuff with your mum concerns me. Yes, your mum might say negative stuff, but it is your choice to see her not your partners. Many people have annoying parents but they basically love them so continue to see them. Your dh should not be telling you how long or how often you should see her. That's your call, not his. The silent treatment when you go against his 'advice' or 'help' is a way of putting you in your place and making sure that you don't do it again. You need to stand up for yourself. Stop making him cups of tea and trying to coax him out of it. I used to do this with my partner. I stopped. The relationship is not good and we more or less live separate lives but at least I have my own life and am no longer subject to his moods and control.

TorkTorkBam · 15/07/2020 06:42

With your business it seems to me you are thinking about his role in it incorrectly. The way I see it he has more experience in the type of business. He showed you how to make the business stronger. Now you know how to do it. You are scared to take the stabilisers off your bike because you will wobble at first. Nah, you can do it. Start thinking of it as stepping up now you have learned what to do. It frees him to spend more time on his other businesses.

pickingdaisies · 15/07/2020 09:35

Have a think about what Torktorkbam has to say too.

SeagrassGreen · 15/07/2020 18:46

Today has not been good. I have stayed at the flat. I tried to have some conversation about the work meeting but he says he will handle it if I am so stressed and maybe I need a break if I'm not coping. I said I was fine and I want to do it but he will either do it himself on his own or I can do it alone if I need a break from him. The issue is he has started the conversations already and it's not going to look good if I go not knowing what has already been discussed and agreed. The more he takes over, the harder it will be for me to carry on alone. We haven't resolved that one.

Then I got more calls from his sister, he has been crying down the phone to her telling her how depressed he is and begging her to convince me to move back. I have said I need my own space for a bit and we are not splitting up.

Then I had a long email from him saying how sorry he is and he will do whatever I ask, saying how I must be managing ok as I am clearly still functioning whereas he is in bits. He is worried this must mean I dont love him anymore and can I please reassure him and come home.

My peace seems to have evaporated in summary.

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everythingbackbutyou · 15/07/2020 18:56

@SeagrassGreen, you are strong and I believe people have convinced you otherwise because it suits their agenda. The only thing he is upset and worried about is that his comfy situation is fading before his eyes and he doesn't like it. My stbxh pulled out all the stops and sent me a long letter about how sorry he was etc. etc. When it didn't work, he showed his true colours again very quickly. Now he has met someone else and is falling over himself to finalise our divorce. I'm so glad you're able to read the Lundy Bancroft book. It's a real game changer.

SeagrassGreen · 15/07/2020 19:07

Yes the book is great. I was completely convinced and then these things happen and I start to think I am mean and horrible again. Also I dont know what to do about work, I can't keep delaying and avoiding it, or do I just let him sort it out this time.

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category12 · 15/07/2020 19:12

Tell his sister to stop calling you, as it's interfering. Advise her to spend her energies supporting him rather than mithering you.
(She is again acting as his flying monkey).

You don't actually have to answer her calls, you know - send her to voicemail from now on.

The meeting - postpone it if necessary and tell the client that you are taking over from him - and get yourself caught up with the details. Blag it a bit.

Tell him you still need space and time, and to stop pushing you for an immediate return (and setting his sister on you) and that he needs to respect your decision. That if he is feeling low, he should go to the GP,. (You are not his therapist).

HelenUrth · 15/07/2020 19:17

Oh you poor thing. What an abusive man. Do not blame yourself. Your mother has brought you up to believe you are not capable of making your own decisions, so to you it may seem "helpful" to have someone telling you what to do. But this manipulative controlling arsehole is only looking out for himself, he has no interest in providing genuine support, he wants you walking on eggshells all the time.
But you are a clever woman, well done on your business and good luck with progressing with it. There is a poster called something like Vodka and Cranberries who had major problems in getting rid of a destructive narcissistic business partner, but she got there. If you can find her posts you can probably see some good advice. I know your case is a bit different in that he is your "D"H.
Keep posting here and you will get amazing support from people who understand. Oh and set up a new email just for you!