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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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AnyFucker · 02/01/2019 09:44

Sounds like you have a problem

Fizzysours · 02/01/2019 09:46

You are not being unreasonable and I would assumehe will be sleeping with her within the year. Am so sorry. Lay down boundaries but expect him to sneak around them in my opinion. He thinks he loves her. Even if it's based in fantasy, he thinks he loves her. Ducks in a row....

Lweji · 02/01/2019 09:50

You married him knowing you were not the main love interest in his life and he refused to put that person behind completely.
Getting back together was always going to be on the cards.

Anyway... It's often said that if you love someone you set them free (also by Sting?) and I think that's true.
I think I'd tell him that he can go if he wants. But that if he chooses to stay then he really chooses to stay. I'd let him suggest which boundaries to implement. All of us in relationships can have or find people who could also become our partners, but it's our responsibility to ensure we invest in our relationships and safeguard them from these other possibilities.
He doesn't seem to want to. But I'd rather end it now than later after finding out he had cheated.

Singlenotsingle · 02/01/2019 09:50

Quite relevant that she thinks he's a free agent. She doesn't be know he's married, does she? Why hasn't he told her, I wonder?

W0rriedMum · 02/01/2019 09:50

Agree you've got a problem..

femfemlicious · 02/01/2019 09:50

Definitely you have a problem here...she is the one that got away... he is definitely going to have an affair with her.

hellsbellsmelons · 02/01/2019 09:50

Always trust your gut.
If he had nothing to hide you would have full access to his devices and he wouldn't be changing pass codes.
Sorry OP but I think you need to try to nip this in the bud.
Not sure how but you need to challenge him.
Ask him to see his phone right there and then.
His response to that will be all you need to know.

Prinstress · 02/01/2019 09:54

I would put money on BBJE being "Best Blow Job Ever"

RumerGodden · 02/01/2019 09:57

You've got a prob.

Pretty sure BBJE means best blow job ever...

bluejelly · 02/01/2019 09:59

Sorry to read OP. He is being really out of order. Don't feel guilty about snooping- it was the only way you could find out what was going on!
Are you financially independent?

BirdieInTheHand · 02/01/2019 09:59

I agree with Lweji

He thinks he loves her. Give him the opportunity to leave. Be blunt. See what he says. It might be workable from there if he's truly willing to recommit.

RebeccaCloud9 · 02/01/2019 09:59

Yep 100% it's Best Blow Job Ever.

And sounds like it's an emotional affair with a plan to make it more, possibly even to leave you for her. It could still hopefully be nipped in the bud but he needs majorly confronting about this NOW.

DMF1305 · 02/01/2019 10:00

He's an arse. Commenting on her pics so brazenly on FB! I think I know what BBJE means, but don't want to put it on here to cause more upset.

You could tell him to stop all contact now, delete her number, block her on FB etc, explain to him how much it's hurting you. Unfortunately though it doesn't sound like he would be willing to do that so I think you need to leave him now before he causes you more pain.

scotgal2017 · 02/01/2019 10:00

I have to agree with PPs and it sounds to me as though you have had to compete with his feelings for her from the very start of your relationship. They may not have been forefront and centre but with the contact between them (when she told him she was getting married and now that she is single) has brought them to the front and will have to be dealt with one way or another.

What is he doing to reassure you that you are his wife and mother of his daughter, and that it is you he loves? if it was all innocent, why didn't he tell you all about their conversations? he may have been annoyed about you snooping but what does it say about him that he changed his password instead of sorting it all out with you and showing you that you have nothing to worry about?

IMO, all it would take is for her to say she wants to be with him again and he would be off. And meanwhile you are left a wreck, losing trust, doubting and waiting around to see if he is going to disappear with her. life is too short.I agree, ducks in a row Flowers

Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 10:01

I can't bear the thought of him being with her. I just want her not to be around or for him not to still want her. But now I'm wondering every minute if he;'s in contact with her right now, what's he saying to her.

She does know he's married, she's FB friends with both of us and he did tell her back when we found out I was pregnant with DD. To be scrupulously fair her messages aren't really flirty, more chatty, it;s my DH who compliments her and has suggested meeting. Maybe she thinks I'm ok with it.

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alwaysstressed · 02/01/2019 10:01

That's what I thought too...Best Blow Job Ever

Luckingfovely · 02/01/2019 10:03

It sounds like there is definite intent, I'm so sorry.

I think you need to take control. And @Lweji has the best suggestion.

He can leave, or he can stay, but staying means prioritising your marriage and stopping all contact with a woman who is clearly jeopardising it.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 02/01/2019 10:03

Facts:

  1. He is having an emotional affair.
  2. He is lying to you.

Probability:

  1. He is still in love with her and always has been
  2. You have given him his “legacy” (a DC) and as he wants no more and DD is 10 the chances are your role is done in his eyes.

I would suggest this needs confronting at the very least and counselling for the pair of you - if he believes there is a future for the relationship between the two of you.

Something about this tells me that if you call his bluff on this he may confess all, I just don’t know why but I do.

Your move and I’m very sorry x

category12 · 02/01/2019 10:04

"Best blow job ever, still." Hmm

I don't think you're overreacting.

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 10:04

I can't see him refusing an offer to sleep with her the way those messages read.

If he knew you had a 'one that got away' and were communicating with them like this...and possibly planning to meet up...how would he feel?

I think the problem is you knew he settled with you and she was his love. I've seen a few situations like this and it's gone from an affair...to him leaving.

I'd struggle with this tbh. He's going to hide their communication from now on.

Did she know who you were when she accepted the friend request?
Does your DH have pictures of you and him on FB?

DMF1305 · 02/01/2019 10:06

Seems I wasn't the only one that worked out BBJE. Sorry OP, it must be horrible for you.

The thing is, your problem isn't her really, it's him. As you said her messages aren't flirty. His are though and that's the issue. He's the one that is married to you. She's single and isn't actually doing anything wrong, she's just talking to an old friend and has no idea it's upsetting you.

Hezz · 02/01/2019 10:07

He's a prick and that's for certain.

Show him this thread. BBJE? How incredibly hurtful. Everyone on that thread knows what that meant

Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 10:08

Sorry I'm reading and typing between trying to entertain DD so I can't keep up with everything. The BBJE thing makes me feel sick, I can't believe they'd talk about that so openly on FB but at the same time I'm not completely surprised so at some level I must have suspected that's what it meant.

I'm not financially independent, I'm a SAHM. We have a comfortable life, DH is a good earner and works hard to provide for me and DD. She's quite senior in her job as far as I can tell.

How do I challenge him? Some of what he says makes sense and I want to believe him. If it was anyone but her I think I would believe him without any problems which is why I fdon't know how much is his behvaiour and how much is my irrational jealousy.

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VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:10

He’s definitely having an emotional affair. He’s still in love with her. Secret messages, planning to meet, refusal to give you assurance he won’t meet her if she moves (that weak ‘I probably won’t but even if I do...’ nonsense), reminiscing with her about their old sexual exploits (BBJE is exactly what previous posters have said), commenting on her appearance when she’s partially dressed, god he’s awful.

I can’t believe you haven’t kicked him out already. I couldn’t bear to sleep near or be touched by him. He’s brazenly trying to get with this woman under your very nose and the fact he doesn’t seem to be concerned about your feelings on the matter and hasn’t spontaneously cut contact now you know shows me he’s more invested in her and he doesn’t really care either way what you think or do.

I’m so sorry to say this but he’s probably putting you last cos he’s not arsed if you end it or not; if you do, he can just go be with her, he gets to act the injured party (saying you’re jealous of a friendship and snooping).

It’s obvious he loves her and sadly from the outside it’s crystal clear he doesn’t love you. Not in the way you deserve anyway. If you stay with him all you’re getting is a slimy cheater (emotional affairs are affairs) and at least you now know what you’re signing up to.

Is it fear of him going to be with her that’s making you throw away your self respect and the reason you’ve not ended it already? That’s a really weak reason. Sure it’d hurt if you broke up with him but staying while he tries to seduce and then has a full blown affair with this woman would be death by a thousand cuts. Your choice.

I don’t get the sense you’re ready to hear any of this yet but it’s a slow process.

A man who loves his wife or partner doesn’t blatantly chase an ex under her nose. How degrading for you that he’s doing it on Facebook where mutual friends can see, too.

JennyHolzersGhost · 02/01/2019 10:10

How’s your financial situation OP? And housing - do you own together, rent together etc ?
Having had my say, I would be tempted to stand back and see what happens. At least while I sorted out a Plan B for in case the worst happens. Get good legal advice, sort a budget, make a plan for housing arrangements, get copies of important documents etc.
Then see what the landscape looks like; he will probably be fucking things up quite badly by that point so you will be well prepared.

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