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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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Surfskatefamily · 02/01/2019 10:52

Its a bit too much snooping if you ask me. If you hadnt been reading all this would you be feeling paranoid now?

It sounds to me as if nothing will happen. If it was it would have done already. Theyve been in contact ages and its on a friend level.

Your choices here are
1 stop snooping, allow your oh privacy and trust him
2 break up because you cant trust him

category12 · 02/01/2019 10:52

She ought to shut him down. When friends' husbands have seemed to be sniffing round me, I shut them down - it doesn't have to risk the peace, you can do it quite effectively without being nasty. But she's enjoying it by the looks of it.

Jenala · 02/01/2019 10:52

He needs to understand he's caused your jealousy/trust concerns. If he hadn't behaved the way he has you wouldn't have them so it's not fair for him to turn this into you. He needs to be totally honest with you. Then you can either move forward or not.

You know and he knows that he likes her still and if there can be some honesty around it then you can talk about it properly. While he shows with his behaviour what he feels but denies it to you, real communication is impossible.

We had a lighter version of this where it was clear to me that DH still fancied a high school crush who he has remained friends with. Once he admitted (to himself as much as anything as he'd convinced himself it was today platonic) how he felt we were able to move on and the relief I felt was immense. You think hearing that they like someone will be bad but him pretending he didn't was much worse.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 02/01/2019 10:53

We have a good relationship, we have regular sex, we have a nice life, nice house, good holidays. He's a great dad, dotes on our DD who is a realt Daddy's girl, he's always been hands on with her.

But - and I am sorry - you are basically a placeholder until she is in a position to enable him to leave you.

So he will go through the motions - and I include being a doting daddy in that - but he is on autopilot.

Grumblepants · 02/01/2019 10:54

VietnameseCrispyFish. I am not saying she is to blame for all of this, but if i were in her shoes i would not have responded to his inappropriate message on social media. Maybe she hasnt thought through the fact that his wife would see it. Its a matter of showing respect which this woman has not done by responding with a 'naughty' comment and blowing a kiss.

NomsQualityStreets · 02/01/2019 10:55

Sorry to hear about all this happening to you OP.

But honestly if you're in doubt ask yourself this - would he be OK about this if the situation was reversed?
Would he put up and shut up if you started messaging an old flame, complimenting him, commenting and liking his pictures/statuses from way back and commenting BBJE for everyone to see?

Prinstress · 02/01/2019 10:57

You know I'm actually raging about that BBJE comment and her subsequent reply. She knows fine we'll he is a married man "naughty... Thanks" WTAF?

Protect your DD and yourself, walk away with your head held high and leave him to wank over FB bikini pics like the skin crawling creep he is.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/01/2019 10:57

I agree, PaulHollywood, sleepwalking through his marriage. What a waste of time - and what a monumental lack of dignity and respect for his wife and child.

ShartOfGold · 02/01/2019 10:58

So sorry OP. I'd prepare myself for the worst if I were you.

Actually, if I were you I'd get in there first and tell him to fuck off.
He's treating you like shit... you've been second prize for years. He's a dick.

BitOutOfPractice · 02/01/2019 11:00

Oh dear OP. I think his response to your questions tells you everything. Denying, minimising, blaming.

To give him the benefit of the doubt, have you said to him "if you take one more step towards her, I will leave you"?

Caron2ds · 02/01/2019 11:01

Often on here when a split looks likely women are advised to collect paper work and find out financial details. Do this now!
I didn't, to my cost, as I wasn't on mumsnet really naive. Hide passports, certificates etc.
This doesnt mean you'll split!
It's a very sensible precaution, as a sahm you're too vulnerable.
Then if you do you won't be sucker punched. I assure you he has already started planning ahead just incase.
Especially if he works in finance, they all do this at the first sign of trouble.

Musti · 02/01/2019 11:02

The both of them are being completely out of order. Fanning the flames of his unrequited love for him and her getting some ego boost from someone she can always count to adore her even though he's married with a child.

They couldn't work out their relationship when they were together so it obviously wasn't meant to be. I'd have a big talk with your DH and basically give him an ultimatum. And I'm very accepting of male/female friendships. You don't chase a woman when you're in a relationship, and you don't accept and respond to messages like that from q married man.

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 11:02

He needs a metaphorical bucket of cold water over him OP and you get to be the one that throws it. If that doesn't wake him up to what he is about to lose, nothing will.

Confront him properly. Lay it out for him to see. If he isn't ashamed of himself kick him out to think it over elsewhere.

JoroL · 02/01/2019 11:03

The fact that he is talking to her isn't an issue, it's only an issue if he is hiding it from you.
Relationships only work when your open and honest.
I'm best friends with my ex husband, just cause we couldn't stay married doesn't mean he isn't still family.
He joined us (including my OH) for Christmas, came to Boxing Day with DSD and joined us all yesterday for New Years Dinner.
He even picked up dsd from school when I had flu.
You never know you may have found an ally rather than an enemy.

AWishForWingsThatWork · 02/01/2019 11:03

I'm sorry, OP. But your DH is investing his time and emotions in another woman. Quite publicly, too. And his defence is he hasn't slept with her, he's been 'faithful'. Erm, actually, no he hasn't emotionally.

You have a 10 year old daughter. What if she had come to you and described this scenario ... that her husband was essentially pining for an old love, in constant contact, publicly telling her how wonderful she was, planning to meet up ... what would you tell her?

Ask you husband this. Ask him what he would advice his beloved daughter to do if she discovered her husband, father of her child(ren) was in constant contact with an old lover, trolling through her pictures, going out of his way to complement her publicly and privately, planning to meet up, getting angry with her for suggesting he was being disrespectful to her and using the fact he hadn't stuck his penis in her recently as a defence.

Because that's kind of what he's doing ... would he want his daughter treated the way he's treating you.

Do you want to be treated the way I assume you wouldn't want your daughter treated...

I would lay it out for him, and if it isn't the giant wake up call and he refuses marriage counselling or whatever it's going to take to get back on track, then I would ask him to leave. He's not there anyway, he's living a fantasy life in his head and through messaging with the one who got away.

lynnepot · 02/01/2019 11:04

You can't carry on living like this. The mistrust will eventually destroy your relationship. You need to make an ultimatum, you or his ex. You may not get the outcome you hope but it's better for your wellbeing in the long run. If he chooses you then you need to insist he tells this woman he is married with a child involved and that he must sever all ties between him and this woman.

Doonewanker · 02/01/2019 11:04

You need to do something dramatic, OP. Please listen to posters above. If you've any hope of a future with him (although I'm amazed you'd want one) you need to be laying down some major conditions.

Find your anger. You should be seething.

PaulHollywoodsSexGut · 02/01/2019 11:04

I know this is the most hackneyed phrase on MN but if I was you OP I would start getting your ducks in a row which means:

  1. Tell someone close that you trust what is happening
  2. Examine what your financial entitlements could be in the event of a split
  3. Examine what your custody entitlements could look like plus any restrictions
  4. Examine what can be done immediate term in the event a split takes you by surprise and he leaves.

It’s not often a man leaves and it’s not a situation that’s examined on MN a lot but I would pay heed to point 4.

It’s worth just having a chat with a solicitor/family lawyer to get an idea of what life could look like.

This is not a LTB by the way, mainly just take heed and know your rights.

BedraggledBlitz · 02/01/2019 11:04

I would have a serious talk with him explaining that his behaviour is disrespectful and hurtful. You don't have in-jokes with ex gfs, you don't take on responsibility for boosting their self-esteem. He must be aware of how that makes you feel.

I'm not sure what I'd do next though. Even if he says he wont contact her you'll be paranoid he is. Hes an arsehole.

Sending hugs x

BlimeyCalmDown · 02/01/2019 11:05

I feel sick to to the stomach for you, my heart really goes out to you.

He is having an emotional affair and he will start a physical one the moment she moves to the closer city and gives him the green light. I could not bear to sit around and wait for that to happen. He is really taking the piss out of you. I would give him an ultimatum to cut off all contact with her now or leave. He is hoping for a seamless move across to her if he keeps denying everything to you. I would rather be single that be a sitting duck, if you think you feel humiliated now, wait until he actually leaves you once he has his new life is all ready for him. I would want to own this situation right now.

Aarghhelpplease · 02/01/2019 11:06

I think that your nervousness about confronting him stems from the faint hope you have that you are wrong and that you feel that you were snooping and spying on him. I think deep down that you know you’re not wrong. As a pp said in your situation what would you want your daughter to do?
I am so very sorry for you .

TheMightyToosh · 02/01/2019 11:06

OP I think what you know about through FB is enough for you to cut to the chase and lay it out for him: his behaviour is way out of order, so he needs to sort his shit out or it's over. You don't even need to know any more detail, or wait for him to move it from fantasy to reality before it's appropriate for you to tell him he's crossed a line and you're not prepared to put up with it.

Keep your dignity, don't beg, don't question yourself or him, keep it cut and dry. He's betrayed you and made a fool of you and you don't have to stand for it Thanks

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 11:07

His actions show wrongdoing and he went into DARVO mode.

DARVO refers to a reaction perpetrators of wrong doing, particularly in response to being held accountable for their behavior. Deny
Attack
and Reverse Victim and Offender

merrykate · 02/01/2019 11:07

How downright disrespectful! I am fuming on your behalf. Tell him he can go if he wishes. Prick.

ClaireElizabethBeauchampFraser · 02/01/2019 11:08

I would be inclined to tell him that a concerned friend had asked you about his BBJE comment and had enlightened you as to it’s meaning. Then I would go fucking nuclear!

I would tell him that you will not be gaslighted anymore and he doesn’t get to humiliate you by chasing his ex in front of your friends and family on sm!

Tell him to go! Tell him if she is worth losing your marriage and the life you have built together to go! You deserve to be loved completely! You have given him a beautiful daughter and he doesn’t even have the respect to pretend he is not lusting after/ having an emotional if not physical affair with his ex on Facebook.

He is a fucking disgrace and he needs to know that! You have done NOTHING wrong! Loving and trusting partners have no issue with their partner going through their phone or messages! He has behaved VERY badly around this woman on multiple occasions throughout your marriage! His pining when she got married was appalling!

If he loves you and wants to stay in your marriage then he NEEDS to cut contact! As long as they are in contact he is with her in his head and his pants. He is not fully with you if he is lusting after his ex!