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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

OP posts:
Robin2323 · 07/01/2019 17:49

Go to the counselling together.
Continue to work on yourself.
At some point you will find trust.
My opinion is that this is all a good first step.
It will take time.
Just take it slowly.
But it all sounds very positive.
Keep the lines of communication open and have FUN together.

feministfairy · 07/01/2019 18:29

Well done OP for talking with your OH. That's a huge achievement. None of us can know how sincere your OH has been with his responses.

Do you think you can 'park' this for a while? Just let yourself rest a bit and see how you feel. There's some excellent advice on here and some awful advice as well (not helped by all those getting into fights). What matters is you and your family. None of us on here have a real insight into this. Maybe take some time to think about what you want for yourself for the next years as well as for your relationship? There's no clear 'recipe' for sorting out something like this. Wishing you well.

greenlanes · 07/01/2019 19:37

You will be tired - emotional matters are exhausting. I really hope it works out OK for you. Flowers

yorkshirepud44 · 07/01/2019 19:42

Please do the invest in yourself thing. As an insurance policy no matter how this plays out.
Having career prospects should give you renewed self esteem and some financial resilience. Perhaps a course or some other training so you can meet people or get a new qualification.

Look after yourself. I know all too well how miserable and draining this kind of situation can be. Thanks

VietnameseCrispyFish · 07/01/2019 20:03

What are your thoughts OP on investing in yourself, and what that would look like for you? Do you think it’s a good idea or have any idea what you might do?

How was your career/education before, earlier in your life?

user1457017537 · 07/01/2019 20:16

You don’t need to get your housing situation sorted, he does. You carry on living in your home, with your daughter, he can go and live with sugar tits. Let him have her.

Can’t believe they comment like they do on F/B knowing you are friends too and can see their pathetic, childish reminisences.
BBJE for you to read - unfuckingbelievable!

mikado1 · 07/01/2019 20:20

What was his attitude like OP? Was he annoyed or 'Oh ok then' or 'You've got this all wrong, let me do all I can to make it better'? His attitude will tell all imo. He certainly doesn't sound to be bending over backwards.

misskiki69 · 07/01/2019 20:52

You are far more forgiving and trusting than me. I simply could not get beyond the bbje comment, let alone the bikini comments and everything else.

How do you know you can trust him? How do you know he wasn't edging his bets with her? How do you truly know he isn't in love with her? The seeds of doubt have been well and truly sown.

No amount of counselling can undo the completely respectful comment, plastered across Facebook for all and sundry to see. You deserve better.

Passing4Human · 07/01/2019 21:09

I know some people don't have a lot of faith in counselling, but it has helped me in the past both individually and in relationships so I recommend it to people, whatever the outcome. Obviously it only has a chance of helping if he's prepared to talk through what's happened openly. A counsellor might be able to get across to him - at least in part - some of the pain and humiliation he's put you through OP. In his own head he'll just be able to block out that side of things, possibly entirely. Talking it through, out loud in front of someone mediating - asking you things like, "And how do you think your comment about oral sex on a public forum made Worried feel?" might give his head a wobble.

Purely speaking for myself, this situation is something I would struggle to ever get over. It's just so disrespectful, disloyal, ugly and just plain grubby. I just don't think I'd ever be able to see him the same way and I know I would be a nervous wreck. I'm someone who is extremely anxious anyway though and overthinks at the best of times. I'd be lost in my head with it all, until maybe I get to a point where I just feel numb, but the relationship as was is gone then anyway. See! overthinking ahead even in this post.

Well done for speaking to him OP.

Worriedandveryconfused · 07/01/2019 21:22

AnchorDown I asked to see the message before he sent it precisely so it wouldn't be a "I'm only doing this because my wife is nagging me to". Maybe that was a mistake and I led him too much, maybe if I'd left him to it that's what he would have said. Obviously he knew I was going to see it so it was more about needing to take a step back and spend more time with his family.

Mikado it was more "oh okay then" than anything else. Not argumentative particularly, a couple of mments where he got briefly irritated, but then other moments where he tried to reassure me but in a "you know I love you" way.

I was a legal secretary before I had DD, so I've got office experience albeit a bit out of date. I was thinking of doing some coursesto update my Excel and Word skills, we have a FE college not too far away that I think does daytime courses.

He's away tonight and tomorrow night and I can't settle for wondering if he's really keeping his word or if he's found another way of contacting her. I wish I could just "park" it but my mind keeps playing it all over and over and I can't seem to let go.

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MsDogLady · 07/01/2019 21:38

Well, I am still not seeing evidence of his true devotion and fidelity to you. For a year or more, he did not come to you with the fact that he was messaging his ex. When you found the messages, he gaslighted you with cries of snooping and jealousy. He is still sidestepping.

I think that he has given you a performance to placate and is continuing his dodgy behavior. I think his deletion of Messenger and WhatsApp is window dressing designed to mislead you. You still don’t have the truth from him. At the end of the day, he is not admitting his inappropriate behavior and emotional closeness to his ex, and he is locking you out.

Thoughtless? He CHOSE to betray you sexually with his ex and added ‘still’ to make it current. No amount of ‘background’ info could ever excuse it. He knew that YOU would see this and the other lustful comments, but he didn’t care. What mattered most to him was that SHE would see it. There was nothing thoughtless about it.

No passcode? You’ve had access for years, but as soon as you saw the messages, he dodgily changed the passcode without telling you. Now he suddenly employs a company rule which previously never mattered to him. If he really intended to cut contact and he valued your peace of mind, he would keep access for you.

Not lying? He most certainly has been lying. He has lied by omission for at least a year while secretly messaging his ex, rekindling emotional closeness with her. Her message to her rock signaled their togetherness. He has lied to you outright when saying that they are just friends, when he knows different. Also, telling you that ‘BBJE still’ was ‘ancient history’ was clearly untrue.

Couple counseling might make a difference if he was truly open to your feelings and the counselor’s guidance. As it is, he seems to have a cavalier attitude toward it, which is probably another wall used to protect his agenda. WAVC, please seek individual counseling to help you cope with all of this.

BeesandGees · 07/01/2019 21:56

I think he sounds like a weak willed man who is feeling in a bit of a rut and is getting a kick out of flirting with his ex. You sound like a lovely, understanding and forgiving person - i’d ask him to read this entire thread and if he is a decent man who has made a mahoosive mistake he will realize what a complete dick he has been, and what a selfish cow his ex actually is and bless his lucky stars he is married to you and not to most of us on here who would have his genitals served up on a platter to his ex with a note asking if she could recreate the BBJE!
I really hope this works out for you but please see it through, don’t just brush it under the carpet - it will fester there forever. Good luck xx

Newyearnewme2019 · 07/01/2019 22:07

@Worriedandveryconfused I don't think there is much more you can do now other than carry on living your life (especially as I get the impression you want to stay in your marriage) BUT just for your own piece of mind and to help you feel in some sort of control, I would now start thinking along the lines of the "what if's,"

so if anything more comes of this you are more mentally prepared and focused - being proactive is so much better than being reactive.

Look at what your entitled to, think about what you would do, where would you go initially, then long term, look at your money and work etc.

I think once you have an understanding of these things, if it does go tits up you're prepared to a point and have a starting point rather than trying to deal with the emotional and financial fallout all at once.

I wish you well and hope you both move past this in time but if you feel you can't that's ok too. You are a strong woman and will get through it Smile

Fairenuff · 07/01/2019 22:12

Leave it few days and then ask out of the blue to see his messages.

Hezz · 07/01/2019 23:58

What background could excuse the BBJE comment?

The passcode thing is a crock of shit, but you know that. Ask to see it in a week or so and if he says don't it trust me just say no, hand it over .

Feckers2018 · 08/01/2019 00:02

I don't know but its a coincidence hes had to go away. Do you def know where he is? It would drive me mad. I would insist on knowing the password too.

Highginx · 08/01/2019 00:07

Men just don’t engage with exes like this unless they think they’re onto something. There has to be something in it for them.

smoothies · 08/01/2019 03:42

We are in the same position. I've pm'd you.

Gina2012 · 08/01/2019 05:17

He's away tonight and tomorrow night and I can't settle for wondering if he's really keeping his word or if he's found another way of contacting her. I wish I could just "park" it but my mind keeps playing it all over and over and I can't seem to let go.

And this is how it's going to be until you know for sure that he's telling the truth

Or until you have learned how not to care about whether he's lying or being truthful

Or until you've ended the marriage

I went through something similar ish in 2013. It was hell for 12 months. I couldn't let him go, yet I knew , if he loved me, he wouldn't put me through the pain and he certainly wouldn't have denied and pushed aside my feelings

I was in torment. I lacked confidence and self esteem and had no idea how I could live without him

In 2014 I ended it. I was sad, I still thought about him. I even felt a bit jealous when he started dating someone else.

But the relief of not having to worry and fret and angst. That relief , that feeling of total and utter freedom - was worth a billion dollars.

I could start to live again without fear

It took me 12 months to realise that I didn't have to live with my partners emotional abuse, gaslighting and lies

I now expect and receive respect and transparency from all my relationships

LizzieSiddal · 08/01/2019 06:46

I did suggest counselling and he said he'd come with me if I think it will help

I would do this. It will mean you can explain how his episode has made you not trust him completely. He reallly needs to fully understand what effect this has had on you and your relationship.

mikado1 · 08/01/2019 06:58

Well that's what I thought, not overly bothered or worried, when you're going through the mill. If it was me I'd be so reassuring, and probably terrified I'd messed up.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 08/01/2019 08:08

I really think it would be unwise to ‘park it’ even if you could.

I was a legal secretary before I had DD, so I've got office experience albeit a bit out of date. I was thinking of doing some coursesto update my Excel and Word skills, we have a FE college not too far away that I think does daytime courses.

That sounds like a really good idea. Never, ever allow yourself to become dependent on a man (or anyone for that matter). You’re far too vulnerable atm and the power is all in his favour.

Notcoolmum · 08/01/2019 08:17

I agree with all the comments suggesting you start to out yourself first and become less dependent on him. You need to build up your own life and way of supporting yourself.

He has agreed not to contact her although his apology doesn’t sound very effusive only you know if you feel it’s sincere.

Time to out yourself first now for a while. Rediscover who you are outside of wife and mother.

Lweji · 08/01/2019 08:38

Once the trust is lost you can't really get it back. Even if he spent the rest of your life reassuring you or at home.

What you can do is take the view that you can't control what happens and be prepared for the possibility that he'll leave, or you decide to leave.

Getting back to work and updating your skills is a good idea. Take it seriously and ignore him if he opposes it or makes it difficult.

I'm sure he enjoys being a father, which is allowed by having the mother at home, while admiring his ex for her career.
Take control of your life. Make it a priority for you.

user1457017537 · 08/01/2019 09:51

I wish you well and hope everything resolves in a positive way. I just want to say, however, that there is a possibility of your DH acquiring another phone and continuing contact. He would be foolish to carry on using the company equipment. Pay as you go for instance. I hope not