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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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trickyex · 02/01/2019 10:10

This sounds really difficult OP, a sad situation for you.
I also agree with what Lweji said.
Do you have supportive friends you can talk to?

RatRolyPoly · 02/01/2019 10:10

Oh Worriedandconfuse, I'd be worried and confused in your situation too!

I think lweji has very good advice to be honest.

And I'd probably flip my lid about the "BBJE" comment. I mean really, how utterly disrespectful to write such a thing so publicly, what a fucking knob head.

JennyHolzersGhost · 02/01/2019 10:12

Sorry, cross posted. Ok you definitely need a plan and you definitely need to avoid kicking him out til you’ve got the plan.

Can you look into working, at least part time ?

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:12

Irrational jealousy? Wtf?

You’re UNDERREACTING.

You’re basically allowing your husband to treat you like dirt and have an emotional affair, in full view of all of your friends, if you stay with him.

The only solution is for him to cut her out completely and permanently and try to rebuild your trust, but he’s not gonna do that. If he did it’d only be because you’d forced him to. And who wants a man they have to cajole and beg into being faithful and respectful?

category12 · 02/01/2019 10:13

Tell him you've figured out what BBJE means and you're really pissed off that he pretended it was an innocent in-joke, and you're pissed off he's openly reminiscing about his sexual exploits with another woman in public.

cigarettesandcoffee · 02/01/2019 10:13

It it's totally and utterly inappropriate to be writing things like 'best blow job ever' how ever thinly disguised on anyone's bloody FB but to do so when he knows a) you will see it and b) everyone else in the world will is in my opinion unforgivable

I would sit him down and ask him honestly if he thinks things like that are appropriate, how would he feel if you were telling an ex so publicly something so crude, if he honestly doesn't think he's done wrong then you have a serious problem, if he is willing to accept it was inappropriate then maybe you can look at getting counselling if it's what you want

I personally would have a real hard time forgiving such a blatant disrespectful comment let alone any of the other stuff!

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:14

He literally told his ex and all of your/their friends on a public post that she gave him more sexual pleasure than he’s ever had with you.

If you can understand that and still feel that you want to salvage this I really fear for your self esteem and self respect :(

Isadora2007 · 02/01/2019 10:15

Get some self esteem and tell your husband that he can go chase his “lost love” if that is what he wants,
As you deserve to be someone’s first choice and not a fucking booby prize. Call him out on it- trust works two ways and him liking, loving and admiring the posts she puts on FB is bloody rude to you- his wife- and he should be able to be trusted to not do that. So him turning the trust issue around when you “snoop”
Is bollocks. He shouldn’t be acting in any way that can have him “caught out” as a married man.
You need to draw the lines of your relationship- eithe r he has contact with her and you’re fine with it and don’t bother snooping. Or you say you are not happy and he needs to choose which woman he wants in his life. You are worth more than this. Believe it and make him believe it too.

Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 10:15

I could ask him about counselling maybe. I just can't believe he;d risk everything. We have a good relationship, we have regular sex, we have a nice life, nice house, good holidays. He's a great dad, dotes on our DD who is a realt Daddy's girl, he's always been hands on with her. I can't even get my head round the thought of leaving or letting him leave. I couldn't do that to DD.

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Momo18 · 02/01/2019 10:16

There's no irrational jealousy here, he's chasing her right under your nose. He's kinda gas lighting you for questioning it too. As much as it hurts he only wants what he can't have, that's why she seems so special. If my DH behaved like this I'd tell him I'm not fucking stupid and he's way crossed the line. I'd chuck him out tbh. Zero respect for you at all Flowers

Wastedyear · 02/01/2019 10:18

So many parallels OP between what’s going on with you and my relationship. In my case our 14 year relationship ended as I was left for “the one that got away” They are still together now. I am a single parent and have very little to do with ex. Unfortunately those messages indicate you are most definitely not his priority - otherwise he would not be planning on meeting up. The fact he is more concerned with you snooping than what he is actually doing screams that he doesn’t respect you or your relationship. Sorry OP. In your position I would prepare to leave him. You will forever feel second best whilst they are in contact (and perhaps even if they cut contact completely - you can’t erase those messages) Flowers

SinglePringle · 02/01/2019 10:18

I would go fucking NUCLEAR regarding the BBJE comment. He’d be out for that alone, forget the rest. He is gaslighting you with the ‘paranoid and jealous’ comments.

How would you want your daughter to react if she were in this situation. Do that. And whilst I appreciate it’s easy for us to sit here tapping away such words, you will feel stronger in the long run.

Take control. Think about whether you want to spend the rest of your life wondering if the man you’re married to wants to be with you.

JennyHolzersGhost · 02/01/2019 10:19

Well, sorry OP but judging by what you’ve told us so far there is a good chance that he will be leaving you so you’d better start getting your head round it.

Sorry to sound brutal but we’ve seen so often on this board that women can get blindsided and then you’re in a terrible position to secure your future as he will have already planned ten steps ahead of you.

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 10:21

On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it

Ask him how he would feel if an Ex BF was saying this to you as his wife.

The fact that he comments so openly seems to show he doesn't care about your feelings...or he's so infatuated with her...or both.

The fact that she replied to that message as she did....also indicates some level of interest.

10 years later and she's given him the best BJ....that's a sting. I don't think I could bring myself to give him any more BJs.... but in all honesty...I bet he's more trying to boost and compliment her....and reel her in.

He knows it was inappropriate...hence he didn't tell you what it meant.

With the wisdom of MN...you really need to deal with this.

I suggest a book called Not just friends... by Dr. Shirley Glass. It has a lot about emotional affairs. He may not think he's cheating...as it's not physical.. not yet anyway.

This won't end well, unless he cuts contact with her... but I wonder if he'd rather end the marriage than do that.

Would he come to marriage counselling if you suggested it? If you said you said you're worried about the future of the marriage and think MC will help?

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:21

I can't even get my head round the thought of leaving or letting him leave. I couldn't do that to DD.

Then at least you now know you’ll never have a normal two way monogamous relationship with him, the best you can hope for is a three way with his ex, or a non monogamous marriage on his side at least. So you’re making an active decision that that’s the best you can hope for.

Only you can decide what’s best for your life, and I’m glad you have more knowledge now. good luck OP. You’ll need it.

UnicornSlaughters · 02/01/2019 10:21

Your husband is behaving horridly towards you. BBJE would have his bags packed waiting at the front door for him. What a barefaced bastard.

Luckingfovely · 02/01/2019 10:21

I couldn't do that to DD.

I'm so sorry that you are in this position - but you're probably not going to have a choice. And it is not you that's done it to her: it's him.

Do you want her to grow up with unhappy parents, not in love with each other, and her father having an affair with someone else? Is that what you want her to think is normal?

Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 10:22

I can't believe it's this bad. It looks so stark when you all spell it out but I don't know how it's got to this. I know it's a cliche but it feels like the rug has been pulled out from under my feet. I'm sorry, I don't really know what I expected by posting. I'm grateful to you but I feel awful. I can't imagine him not being here or throwing him out or anything like that. I have to take DD to an appointment shortly so I need to go out. I'll talk to him about counselling.

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MumsyJ · 02/01/2019 10:22

She's now single. He's got the one child and doesn't want anymore. His wish is fulfilled. Fucking Best Blow Job Ever speaks volumes otherwise, he would have told you the meaning. That man is planning to get back with her and probably been fantasizing the "BBJE" to be an encore.
You're not being unreasonable, you've just got a problem in your hands now. And why would he change his passcode if his hands were clean? Think about it as it won't be long before their virtual messaging become a reality hook up.

Nanny0gg · 02/01/2019 10:22

DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well.

I'm really sorry. That tells you all you need to know.
She is still 'the love of his life' and he's hoping he'll get her back.

Don't think that your DD is enough to keep him. He sounds very selfish and self-centered and if he wants his ex he'll do all he can to get her back (and he is)

Crazyfrog007 · 02/01/2019 10:22

OP. I have something of a theory about jealousy. In my previous relationships, I always thought I was quite a jealous person and thought it was a trait of mine and something I needed to work on myself.

Since being with my OH, I have never felt, been or acted jealous. He has never given me a reason too. He is friends with other women, goes out with other women, talks to other women. I literally don't give a shit because he makes me feel so secure about myself and our relationship that I don't have to be jealous.

It's not a personality trait for a lot of people--it's your reaction to how the other person treats you.

Quite frankly, your DH sounds like an absolute bellend and I'm absolutely not surprised that you are reacting in a jealous way to his interactions with his ex. Bloody hell, I would! The fact that's he told you 'she's the one that got away' says it all really. He's never put you first or treated you as such, because you've never been first.

He is also having an emotion affair. Please don't minimise it and your feelings towards it just because the messages aren't full on flirting or 'shag me'. He is investing the time and effort that should be going into your marriage and family, into another woman

I would strongly suggest that you give him the choice to leave, as PPs have said. If he chooses to go, it'll be hard but ask yourself these questions:

Do you constantly want to be looking over your shoulder?
Do you constantly want to feel insecure about your marriage?
Do you always want to feel second best?

I suspect the answer would be no to all of these and, frankly, there are men out there that will not make you feel like this. Why are you settling for this?

UnicornSlaughters · 02/01/2019 10:23

I'd tell him you know exactly what BBJE means (a simple google search will confirm it) and that his behaviour is disgusting and embarrassing. See how he tries to wriggle out of that one.

SummerStrong · 02/01/2019 10:24

You are not overreacting in the slightest.

I would tell him that unless he is willing to cut all contact with her that the marriage is over.

I would also insist on total transparency and having the CIA's sword in all his accounts and devices.

I would recommend you get counselling as a couple. Yes, you have trust issues (but he has caused them).

onelastchancee · 02/01/2019 10:29

Seems like he definitely wants her

Val87 · 02/01/2019 10:30

I’m so sorry. I’d have a plan to leave. It’s going to be difficult to trust him. I left an ex for a very similar reason. He got with the girl after I left him but I was so happy to be free and not have to worry about him doing it behind my back.