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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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Kennycalmit · 02/01/2019 11:37

Sorry OP, but why and how could you stay with him when he “took it badly” when she got married?! You should’ve walked away then!! If my ex got married I genuinely couldn’t care less. The fact your husband took the news badly screams that he isn’t over her. Sorry I know that isn’t what you want to hear but I don’t understand why you’d want to stay with a man who feels so sad about his ex getting married. Did that not bother you???

At the very most he is having an emotional affair. At the very least he’s never gotten over her and wants this “friendship” to be something more. I feel as if he’s making moves for that to happen - suggesting showing her around the city etc. Complimenting her all the time.

I understand you wanting to save your marriage but you and your daughter deserve so much more than a man who pines after his ex. Suggest counselling if you wish but I’m not sure how that would turn off the feelings he quite clearly has for her.

If you want to save your marriage you need to give him an ultimatum. Either cut her out completely and go to counselling or you leave. Don’t let him make you feel like the unreasonable one. You aren’t, he is!

LaughingCow99 · 02/01/2019 11:38

I'm sorry, but agree this is a problem. He's still very much interested in her and the in jokes are evident he wants something to happen by trying to rekindle old memories.

I'd have never married him but that's no help to you now.

I think you need to ask him what he wants to do although I am also inclined to say walk away because this man's heart is clearly still with his ex

Santaclarita · 02/01/2019 11:38

And projecting she doesn't wish to be single "at her age" and he is her "back up guy" is some nasty stuff.

You might think it's nasty, but there are women like that. Even men really. Look how many string women along, promising marriage and kids, give neither then waltz off with another woman and give them both.

Please don't make the mistake to think all women are lovely and kind just because they are women. Some are very devious and don't care about hurting others to get what they want.

I've seen one woman have a back up guy and when some other woman dated him, she became insane and started spreading all sorts of lies about the woman, and then kept basically dragging the guy away from her until they split up. She doesn't want the guy, she just doesn't want anyone else to have him either.

TheLastNigel · 02/01/2019 11:39

You are massively not being unreasonable op. He is being at best Hugely disrespectful of you and your relationship and at worst is about to engage in something a bit more meaningful with this woman. And he is following the script exactly by dismissing your concerns and saying it's all ancient history. It's not on.
I think you are going to have to speak to him again and plainly say that this is making you very uncomfortable-and that as his wife you should be his priority.

bringbacksideburns · 02/01/2019 11:39

Completely and totally unacceptable and disrespectful. On what planet does he think it's ok to comment best blow job ever on social media when he's married?

They are taking the piss out of you. I'm so sorry.

Don't know what to advise but maybe you should get some legal advice.

Stop letting him call the shots.

champagneplanet · 02/01/2019 11:41

Even if the ex isn't interested in shagging him and is just enjoying the attention it still needs to stop. He is focusing his time and energy on a woman who isn't his wife. Making reference to the 'gorgeous red bikini' makes me want to vom, what a creep.

He's ruining the life he has made with you OP on a dream that might never have been. He's going to have to do some making up to you big time. Either that or fuck off, but you deserve better.

Willow1980 · 02/01/2019 11:41

I would also be worrying and feeling very anxious about it. I wouldn’t be comfortable with his messages on Facebook and comments about the pictures. I really think you need to think long and hard about whether you want to be with a man who speaks that’s fondly about his ex. You are much better than that. She sounds dangerous and could really come between you both.

Orlandointhewilderness · 02/01/2019 11:42

In my previous relationships, I always thought I was quite a jealous person and thought it was a trait of mine and something I needed to work on myself.

Since being with my OH, I have never felt, been or acted jealous. He has never given me a reason too. He is friends with other women, goes out with other women, talks to other women. I literally don't give a shit because he makes me feel so secure about myself and our relationship that I don't have to be jealous.

It's not a personality trait for a lot of people--it's your reaction to how the other person treats you.

Agree with this 110%. Exactly the same with my DP - with XH I did have moments when I seriously doubted him but it turned out that was with very good reason! DP has friends who are women and I never, ever have a moment of worry about them. I get on with them well and I have no doubt in my mind that I'm the one he loves.

I think you really have a problem here - I would be furious and so hurt about that vile comment.

TheMightyToosh · 02/01/2019 11:43

What this woman thinks or wants or says or does is largely irrelevant. It's clear he is still hung up on her and potentially trying to lure her back to him in some way. Whether she bites or just keeps him at arm's length, doesn't really matter - it's his behaviour that is so damaging and totally crossing a line in a marriage.

interrogate2018 · 02/01/2019 11:43

claireelizabeth you are spot on - op turn the tables on him - you decide he is going!

Foodylicious · 02/01/2019 11:44

I would ask him to think about how much time a day he spends thinking about her compared to thinking about your and daughter, and if he really thinks it fits with an innocent friendship

CarolDanvers · 02/01/2019 11:45

The moment she gives him the OK, he's going to leave you. I think you know this. The problem with you kicking him out though is he gets to go with a clear conscience "well SHE ended it, SHE broke up the family" and that will be the narrative for ever more. I think though that for your own dignity that's what you have to do. However she may not give him the OK, because tbh he sounds far more into it than her and she is probably just leaning on him a bit after finding herself single. He sounds like little more than an ego boost for her. If she'd wanted to be with him, she would have been and she wouldn't have "got away". I couldn't be someone's second best though and would tell him to get out.

ShartOfGold · 02/01/2019 11:46

@Bluntness100 you'd honestly be happy with your husband having a close 'friendship' with a woman he claims is the 'one who got away'?
Even if he clearly has feelings for her?

And you'd be happy for them to humiliate you in public with jokes about their sexual exploits?

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 02/01/2019 11:46

Everyone who is saying that OP needs to tell him to stop and that he's ruining everything - what incentive does he have?

The best situation for OP here seems to be that he is staying for his daughter and he won't leave until she's older.

Everyone in this situation, OP included, has always known that the love of his life was someone else and that the only reason that they are not together is because of circumstance. If they both still have feelings for each other, it's very likely they will go back to each other. OP has no say in that.

I can't even get my head round the thought of leaving or letting him leave.

You don't get the choice, sadly. I can see how much this is hurting. I think you need to go back to work and prepare that it seems he'll be leaving at some point, even if you decide not to confront him now.

I am so sorry Thanks He has been an utter arse to marry and start a family with you when he was still in love with someone else; and even more of one to now be brazen enough to post BBJE on her wall... not to mention the constant secret conversations. He's treated you appallingly.

Counselling may be an idea but be mindful that if his end game is with her, it might not have the effect that you want. A counsellor shouldn't suggest staying together for the children whilst he's pining after someone else and making you miserable.

MadameButterface · 02/01/2019 11:48

I actually agree with Bluntness, speculation about this woman and what she wants is not really helpful, in fact focusing on her and getting riled up with her will distract from the person who is really disrespecting op’s marriage, which is the husband. He’s the one who needs a short sharp shock here.

Habadabadoo · 02/01/2019 11:48

@Crazyfrog007 your explanation of jealousy is spot on.
Good luck op, I really feel for you.

Historydweeb · 02/01/2019 11:49

Can't believe you haven't kicked him out over this. The disrespect is unreal

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 02/01/2019 11:51

Yeah, definitely an emotional affair and if the opportunity arises, it's probably odds on that it'll turn into a full affair, sorry.

Don't do the "pick me" dance - you're worth more than that, you and your DD both.

I think I'd still tell him though, that if he does have an affair with her, you and DD will be off. No second chances.

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 11:52

The only person giving OP a kicking is her dh.

Posters here are trying to support her to find the strength to stand up for herself.

Anyone who tells OP to just put up with it are not doing her any favours at all.

She's miserable, that's why she posted. Being passive is not going to make her happy, it will grind her down until her self esteem is on the floor.

Find your anger OP. Tell him straight. This stops now. Today.

And see what he says. That will tell you all you need to know.

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 11:55

You might think it's nasty, but there are women like that

No one is disputing that, what I'm saying is there is no evidence to suggest this woman is one of them and there are far more women not like that.

Right now, not one person on here knows what type this woman is. So people need to stop posting and saying the ops husband wishes to leave her and this woman wants to shag him.

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 11:56

Posters here are trying to support her to find the strength to stand up for herself

Not one person has told her to put up with it. And telling her her husband is going to leave her and this woman will shag him is not trying to support her.

It's nasty cruel behaviour.

Lweji · 02/01/2019 12:00

You don't need to kick him out, OP.
But, you can ask him to choose to put the relationship with you, and his family, first or walk out. It could be a hobby, his mum, or anything else.

He shouldn't be with you as a second thought, or because it's more convenient. He should commit to you, and he should manage threats to the relationship. At the moment he's indulging in something that could be (if it isn't yet) a big threat. We can't control our feelings, but we can control our actions.

Talk to him properly, not from the point of view of a jealous woman, but about your relationship. About what you mean to him and how does he care for the relationship.
Try to have a proper adult conversation where he can discuss his feelings for her and not be defensive. In that respect, counselling could be helpful, yes, IMO, even if it leads to a break up. If you do go to counselling, don't see it as a means to save your marriage. More like a safe space to talk and a means to address issues from different perspectives.

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 12:01

Not one person has told her to put up with it.

You have.

You said you'd be fucked if your dh told you who you could contact.

So what is your advice to the OP, if it's not to just put up with it?

WWWWicked · 02/01/2019 12:02

I don’t see that the OW has done anything wrong actually.

Your DH on the other hand, should be booted out just for the BBJE comment. He’s posted that, on social media, knowing you’ll see it (as well as a hundred other people). I’d be shocked if one of my friends husbands posted that message to another woman on Facebook for everyone to see. He actually doesn’t give a crap about your feelings and has actively gone for outright disrespect and humiliation.

Bluntness100 · 02/01/2019 12:04

I in no way shape nor form told her to put up with it

However she's made it clear she doesn't wish the marriage to end. And i think there is nothing to suggest he is planning on leaving the op, My advice was to befriend this woman, through him, have her round to dinner. Because I suspect she is relying on her to reject him.

But you know this. People need to stop revelling in hurting the op, she has already said she feels awful reading the responses. Posts saying he's going to leave you, and she's after him, do fuck all to help.