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Messages between DH and ex - don't know what to think

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Worriedandveryconfused · 02/01/2019 09:39

I’ve NC’d for this but I’m a longstanding poster. I don’t know if I’m BU or what to do next. Apologies if this gets long but I don’t want to be accused of drip feeding.

Background: DH & I married 10 years, 1 DD. We married when I found out I was pregnant. I’d have liked more DCs, DH didn’t so DD is an only. DH has an ex who is his “one who got away”. They were together through university and broke up through circumstances rather than any issues or mismatch. I struggled with this at first, eg DH kept all the cards, notes etc she’d sent him and was reluctant to get rid. We had a real wobble a couple of years in when she contacted him to tell him she was getting married and he didn’t deal with it very well. But we got through it and he’s been a good husband and father since.

About a year ago I noticed her name pop up as having replied to one or two of his FB statuses. I didn’t say anything but I sent her a friend request myself, which I admit was a bit weird as I don’t actually know her. Nevertheless she accepted so I had a snoop round her profile, as you do. A few things made me a bit uneasy, first she’s really pretty, good figure etc, second her relationship status said “single” and also although she hadn’t posted that much my DH had commented or liked or put a heart reaction on literally everything she’d posted, going back weeks and weeks. Again I didn’t say anything but the next time I saw she’d commented I asked “is that Such-and-Such?” and when he said yes I asked casually if she was still married. He said no, they’d split up quite recently.

A month or so before Christmas a mutual friend of theirs from university posted some old photos from that time and tagged my DH and this woman in them. Even though it was from years ago, it really hurt me to see photos of them together with their arms round each other etc. One of the photos they weren’t the subject but off to one side, kind of in the background they were kissing really passionately. On this photo my DH had commented “I remember that night ‘wink’” and she’d replied “I do too ‘wink’” then he said “BBJE still” and she’d responded with “naughty...but thank you” and a blowing kiss emoji. I asked him what “BBJE” meant and he brushed it off as an old university in joke, when I pushed to know what it stood for he got irritated and said it was ancient history and to drop it.

Just before Christmas he left his iPad lying around and I’m embarrassed to say I went snooping. I found dozens and dozens and dozens of messages between them, going back all year. There was nothing to suggest an affair, most of them were just chit-chat about their day, but there were quite a few compliments from my DH to her, eg he asked her where certain holiday photos had been taken and when she said which ones, he’d said “where you’re in the gorgeous red bikini”. (of course I went looking and the photos were from yonks ago, it took me ages to find them so how long had he spent going through her photos? And she hasn’t had kids so of course there’s no stretch marks or c-scar or pouch, she’s all long tanned legs and toned belly and perky boobs, there’s no way I can compare). Their recent messages talk about her moving to a city not exactly on the doorstep but where DH has to go minimum of once a month for work. One of his last messages says to let him know when she's found her place and they can meet up and he'll show her round, and she replied with "I'd like that."

I chewed over this for a few days, could hardly think about anything else but between Christmas and NY I finally asked him about the messages and he said she's been down and lonely since splitting with her DH and he's just been trying to build her confidence back up. I said I wasn't happy about them meeting up, he said it probably wouldn't happen anyway but even if it did it was just a friend helping another friend. He was annoyed that I'd snooped on his iPad which I understand and we had an argument about trust, he said I've always been jealous of her for no real reason as he's always been faithful to me. It's true that I've always had a bit of a jealousy problem where she's concerned so there is some truth in what he says.

We had friends round on NYE and shortly after midnight I put our DD to bed while he stayed downstairs with our guests. I tried to have another look on the iPad but he's changed the passcode but there was an unread message from her on the lock screen sent just after midnight, wishing him happy new year and calling him "her rock" and saying she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I haven't said anything to him because I'm embarrassed to admit I was trying to snoop on his iPad again, but I don;t know what to think, what's normal, if I'm BU or he is or what the hell's going on. I want to believe they're just friends but my gut is constantly churning just thinking about them messaging each other and DH looking at photos of her looking gorgeous and sexy in a tiny bikini.

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Doobee · 02/01/2019 10:32

Counselling isn’t going to cut it sorry :( he’s got a foot out of the door and at the first opportunity he’s going to dip his wotsit in. He’s (what my grandad used to describe as) chasing skirt. He’s flirting, messaging, complimenting...all of these are things you don’t do when you’re married and it’s incredibly disrespectful. He clearly doesn’t love you. He’s got the huge hots for her and you need ducks in a row yesterday. Personally if it was me I’d go see a solicitor and get them to write me a letter. I’d be leaving that letter lying around to make it obvious I was getting clued up for divorce. Start having your own secrets. I bet if this other one said she wants his baby then he’d have her knocked up in seconds. Don’t tolerate this.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:33

PP make a good point actually, whether the relationship ends or not probably won’t be in your hands.

He sees her as ‘the one’ and believes he settled with you. You’ll do for now, but if the one shows him she wants him he’ll be off with her.

It’s a very painful situation to be in knowing your husband is only with you because another woman is knocking him back. I couldn’t be in that position, I have too much self respect.

But make sure you have a plan for what you’re gonna do if he leaves you for her, cos from everything you’ve said I reckon that’s very likely. She’s probably keeping him a bit at arms length currently as she’s only recently single, but he’s making his intentions known. And if they split due to circumstances rather than anyone falling out of love she may we’ll decide she wants to be with him now that the stars have aligned better for them.

Just don’t let yourself be blindsided by brushing this all under the rug.

Dallasty · 02/01/2019 10:34

He's biding his time and possibly preparing to leave you. I feel for you OP.

dustarr73 · 02/01/2019 10:34

Do you know what op.i think you need to think of your daughter.Her seeing this is not healthy.And being 10 means she is so aware of things.You dont even realise.

You are not breaking up the family,he is.Dont let him pin that on you.

Dont let your daughter see you as a walkover.Show her women can be strong and wont put up with crap.

79andnotout · 02/01/2019 10:35

Sounds like he is definitely after her, but it doesn't really sound like she is interested in him? The flame might have extinguished for her years ago, and she is just flattered with the attention after her break up but not really interested at all?

But yeah he sounds infatuated.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/01/2019 10:35

I'm very sorry, OP. I don't know how you can turn this around because it's not for you to do - it's for your husband to do that. He's the one actively participating in this duet between him and his ex-love.

The only thing that you can countenance is to show him the door but as you know, that's going to mean change for you and some drastic ones. Did you have a career that you could fall back on with some re-training, or some additional qualifications?

I know it's not what you want to think about right now but your daughter is 10 and you need to start thinking of safeguarding your own future - and hers - with or without your husband in it.

MauraIsles · 02/01/2019 10:35

It’s so inappropriate for him to be brazenly and openly writing fucking flirty comments on her FB, your ‘DH’ needs to grow up, how old is he writing crap like BBJE? You need to make sure this is nipped in the bud OP, i agree with others that you definitely have a problem here, I’m so angry for you that he’s doing this, and quite unashamedly as well. the Ex isn’t helping, she’s perpetuating his behaviour by responding to his comments in the manner she is, instead of bluntly saying “you’re married, I don’t think that’s appropriate” but sounds like she is enjoying the attention, off the back of her split unfortunately!

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 10:36

I can't even get my head round the thought of leaving or letting him leave. I couldn't do that to DD.

You need to be willing to lose a marriage in order to save it.

The alternative is he has an affair...and you know what? That second child he didn't want... he'll have with her if she wants it

category12 · 02/01/2019 10:37

I'd go back to work, if I were you, OP.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:37

counselling could be a good idea, you have a child so you’ll always need to coparent. Counselling can be really useful for helping the two of you decide how to move forward separately and divorce more amicably.

But don’t go into it expecting to salvage the relationship, if he even agrees to it. Counselling isn’t magic, it can’t make someone love you, or stop acting like a twat. And in a counselling environment where you’re both being asked to share your true thoughts and feelings you’re likely to hear some very painful truths (that he’s in love with her and unhappy with you, or that he’s been thinking for a while you need to separate but hasn’t found the courage to tell you yet).

DeepanKrispanEven · 02/01/2019 10:37

She's a successful woman professionally, she obviously has other friends: therefore it isn't your husband's job to build her confidence back up, and even if it was he should be withdrawing after a year. If he's not prepared to agree to that he needs to be very very honest about what his motivation is.

Nanna50 · 02/01/2019 10:38

He is behaving appallingly, the BBJE comment is way out of order, my DH would be out of the door making public comments like that and I don't think her comments are innocent flirting. In your shoes I would be very anxious about them meeting up. It is his reaction to your concerns that would bother me most though.

Many years ago my DH ex was in touch asking to meet up, joined his gym etc. I told him it made me feel very uncomfortable for various reasons. He cut all contact, non of this I'm entitled to keep in touch, she's just a friend bollocks, his priority was me.

If your DH really does not have any intentions of taking it further he needs to support you, if she needs support she can get it elsewhere.

ChristmasRaven · 02/01/2019 10:39

The thing is, everyone here is just trying to save you from the world of hurt you are entering. Your head must be spinning right now and that's completely understandable. You don't want to "push" them together as you hope your marriage can still be saved. I get that. But it's clear to everyone what's going on (and it isn't often unanimous on here!). I agree with the pp that said at the very least, make your plans with the expectation he will leave. Make sure you and your DD can manage financially etc. See what he says about counselling. I could be wrong, but I don't think he'll be keen.

You are in a speeding car hurtling towards a crash. You can sit there and shut your eyes and hope you survive the impact. Or you can take control of the wheel. You may still crash but you may avoid the worst of the damage. Sitting there wondering who he's messaging every time he looks at a device. Sitting there wondering if he's having sex with her when he goes away for work. How is that going to make you feel? I understand the sick feeling inside when you discover something like this, I've been there as have many on this board. But you will hurt even more if you let this "friendship" play out in front of your eyes. She said she's looking forward to the "next chapter". I think it's pretty clear what that means!

So sorry you are going through this. As I say, I do understand how it feels. Give yourself some time then take control. At least in the aspect of making sure you and DD are protected.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:40

You need to be willing to lose a marriage in order to save it

So true sandy.

While he’s the only one making these decisions, you are teaching him how he can treat you. Stay with him after he’s rubbed all of this in your face and you’ve conditioned him to realise he can do anything he wants and you’ll always be there at home like a doormat ready to welcome him back with no self respect or any expectation of love or fidelity.

You could be with a man who loves you the most, thinks he’s hit jackpot finding you and doesn’t have eyes for any other women. Imagine how that would feel. Instead of always feeling in competition with another woman (one he has known intimately at that!) and knowing he’s only with you cos he can’t have her :(

Fairenuff · 02/01/2019 10:41

I would have a very serious conversation with him about this.

I would point out how he is emotionally involved with her. No arguing about it, it's a fact.

I would make it clear to him that I was not fucking around. He had to choose.

His wife and family or his emotional affair.

If he wanted to keep his wife and family he would have to work hard to rebuild trust.

If he didn't want to do that it's over.

Let him go off and re-live his youth if that's what he wants. You go and find your own happiness.

But whatever you do, don't allow him to leave you in limbo whilst he makes plans to meet up with her and fantasises about what could have been.

Nip it in the bud. He cuts all contact or he's out.

Grumblepants · 02/01/2019 10:42

I'd be tempted to put a Shock reaction on the fb post of their conversation regarding bbje. She will know you have seen it and it's totally not appropriate and if she has any decency she will back off. Also other people will know you have seen the post and they are way out of order.
But can you ever really trust him after all of this or will you always be thinking his head and heart are elsewhere?

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:43

Many years ago my DH ex was in touch asking to meet up, joined his gym etc. I told him it made me feel very uncomfortable for various reasons. He cut all contact, non of this I'm entitled to keep in touch, she's just a friend bollocks, his priority was me.

Yep. This is how people act in committed relationships with people they love.

My OH asked me to cut contact with an ex and I did it willingly and immediately. When you love someone, their comfort and security and happiness means more to you than whatever you’re getting from an ex. And he has done the same in return on the very rare occasion I’ve had a problem with something (on the whole we’re both very trusting, lots of friends of both genders etc).

Imagine how great it’d be to have a husband who says ‘oh I didn’t realise it was bothering you, of course I won’t speak to her anymore’ instead of the crap you’re expected to put up with.

Does he show a lack of respect for you in other areas of your relationship/life? Any signs in the past he knows he can walk all over you?

merville · 02/01/2019 10:43

Broke up due to circumstances; no doubt some people will argue to the contrary but I don't believe that if two people bare truly truly into each other and don't want to see what's better out there, that they do break up due to circumstances. I've seen people maintain relationships across 10 hour flight location differences (for a while anyway). I've seen people move their job, life etc for a relationship to continue.

Which means they are both being very silly, idealising their former relationship (easily done with a relationship at a life stage with little or no responsibility or stress). If they'd both really really wanted each other, they wouldn't have ended up with other people.

If he was so so crazy about her, why wax he risking pregnancy with another woman. If she was so so crazy about him, how come she ended up marrying someone else. Real star crossed lovers, right.

It sounds like more of the sillyness is coming from him and she's flattered and validated by it, esp because she's had her marriage break down (what happened there, I wonder).

Unfortunately they may not see that until they've broken up your marriage. The two of them are kind of arseholes and you'd be better to see them for that.

Get your ducks in a row big, at least you're married.

merville · 02/01/2019 10:45

Get your ducks in a row, big time that should have read.

SandyY2K · 02/01/2019 10:45

I wanted to add that I'd start focusing on yourself right now. Exercise is a good stress outlet...join a gym. Have a regular massage to unwind. Do these things for you ...not for him to notice.

Work on your social life...reconnect with friends and be getting out of the house in the evening.

He wants her... if she wants him it will happen. It's just a matter of time. Will she settle being the OW? Probably not. He might convince her...he'll leave you once DD is older. She might agree to that... who knows.

...Right now...she holds the cards.

That BBJE still would have my head spinning. I'm not sure I could come back from that, without stooping to his level.

VietnameseCrispyFish · 02/01/2019 10:45

She will know you have seen it and it's totally not appropriate and if she has any decency she will back off.

Although she hasn’t outright shut him down with zero contact I don’t get the sense the ex is doing much wrong. Sounds like she’s responding to his very inappropriate comments fairly neutrally, which is something people often do when they have a longstanding friendship with someone and want to keep the peace. He’s doing all the chasing and making a fool of his wife. Why should she be the one to ‘back off’ when he’s clearly chasing her?

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe2726 · 02/01/2019 10:49

Please don't post on her FB... this is your marriage, that is terrible advice. Sort it out with your husband in private, not as a FB drama for the masses.

merville · 02/01/2019 10:49

She'll possibly string him.along until a man she's really interested in comes on the scene and will have no further need for who bolstering, flattering attention and flirtation from her former boyfriend.

(It sounds like she may have been the one who was happier with the break up and with moving on, until her marriage didn't work out for her).

Alternatively she may end up with him but I doubt he would have been her very first choice, he'll get to feel what it's like to be a consolation prize for a change.

HairBnB · 02/01/2019 10:50

Oh OP, I'm so sorry but I have to agree with the overwhelming opinion here that your DH is emotionally involved with this woman and is almost certain to start an affair with her.

Almost. Not definitely.

He's got carried away with his former feelings and maybe has no clue about how much he is hurting you. I think that's the place to start with this. Maybe write down everything you're feeling and give it to him? Ask him to cease all contact with this woman and treat you with the love and respect you deserve. At least give him the option to do this, and yes, go to relationship counselling together to help you to rebuild your relationship.

If he refuses then there's your answer and I'm afraid separation really is the only answer. Speaking as someone who was disrespected (putting it mildly) for years by my exDH, I know how hard it is to choose to end the marriage when you have DC, but eventually I did, and I am very glad I did.

Good luck OP, you're never alone with the support of MN.

merville · 02/01/2019 10:52

Ego bolstering.

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