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Can’t Cope with My Husband Being Away!

224 replies

Harperhan · 24/11/2018 15:32

I am sat here writing this in tears. My husband left yesterday to go to New Zealand on a business jolly for 2 weeks. I have subsequently got myself in such a state and can’t cope being separated from him. He knew I didn’t want him to go but still went ahead anyway. He got to Dubai at 5am this morning and phoned me. I begged and pleaded for him to just turn around before he got on the 16 hours flight. I am literally going crazy.

I have three options:

  1. I get on a plane tomorrow and fly out to NZ and we say stuff the jolly and do our own thing.
  2. He books to come back earlier like the end of the week.
  3. He flies home straight away.

I am going out of my mind and can’t think straight. I suffer from depression and anxiety and this is the worst it has ever been.

OP posts:
wannabestressfree · 27/11/2018 22:39

I feel really conflicted about this.... on one hand I feel sad that this lady has to live like this but on the other hand I was raised by someone with severe mental health problems and the effect it has had on me has been enormous.

It's not fair. On anyone.

prawnsword · 27/11/2018 23:36

The manipulation, coercion & using mental health to justify this controlling behaviour sounds like red flags for Borderline Personality Disorder. Something is not right & ultimately the husband is right to have come back to ensure the children’s welfare is made top priority. This person is unstable & if they split up unlikely to get primary custody, so he can’t leave them alone with her now for business or holidays right now.

Whisky2014 · 28/11/2018 04:56

Well, I knew that would happen. You controlled the situation to get him home. Well done....

SwearySwearyQuiteContrary · 28/11/2018 05:26

OK, the immediate situation is going to be resolved. What’s important now is ensuring you’re going to be able function well in the future. When MH issues result in this level of dysfunction for you, your DH, and your children, you need support to manage this appropriately. You mention you came off meds earlier this year. Perhaps this needs to be revisited. Benzodiazepines to counteract acute anxiety attacks are a short-term band-aid. Have you discussed this with your GP?

booboo24 · 28/11/2018 06:39

As someone who has suffered from depression as a teenager, and was left with anxiety (I'm now 42) I feel that you have done yourself no favours whatsoever. The way to combat anxiety is to face up to it, and not let it control you. The minute he agreed to come home I'm sure your anxiety levels dropped instantly, but it also means it has strengthened it's grip on you even more as you've "proved" to yourself (your anxiety) that you can't cope without him. The reality is you would have coped, it would have been bloody hard going but you'd have done it, and with each passing day you would have felt stronger. The next time he needed to go away you would have felt more able to cope, whereas now, you've just reinforced the power it has over you.

Please for your own sake, and that of your husband and children, seek out some therapy, CBT is the best in my opinion, but even after suffering for years, every few years I go and see someone for a few sessions as I have GAD, so what I get anxious over changes periodically. I've never taken medication though, but possibly it would have made it easier.

TheBigBangRocks · 28/11/2018 07:13

Winnkmg like this with him coming home is a hollow victory. It likely hammered home to him how tied he is and that he can Dom nothing for himself and his children are stuck in the middle.

Agree with the posters that you need to seek help before you lose your marriage and your children. It must be having an impact on them daily.

DeadCertain · 28/11/2018 07:25

You must seek help; a colleague of mine who was very able and driven had their career completely stalled as their wife ensured that they were called back home from every career course, exercise or deployment that they were ever sent on.

Always followed the same pattern. I did have sympathy for the wife as she was not able to cope with her anxiety (crucially did not seek to address it in any meaningful way) but felt that it was very unfair indeed that my colleague had to watch his career slip away from him.

everydaymum · 28/11/2018 07:43

It's unfortunate that OP is this bad in terms of her MH and of course it's not her fault, but to have DH come home throws away a perfect chance to show herself and her family that she can cope. She had professional support available. But now both her and DH will be of the mindset that she can't be left alone. DH sounds lovely and of course would want to support OP but from the sounds of it he needed a break and probably deserved one.

A580Hojas · 28/11/2018 07:49

I don't understand how a person can describe themselves as being severely depressed but in a wonderfully happy marriage at the same time. Depression and wonderfully happy are not words that I would ever put together.

anniehm · 28/11/2018 07:58

You need to man up basically - many partners have to travel for work, it's normal, yes I get jealous of the lovely hotels and far flung places but it's jealousy I know! Do some nice things he doesn't like whilst he's away

nervousnelly22 · 28/11/2018 08:14

Please do continue to get help for your husband and children's sake. My mum was very like you and while I completely understand you of course cannot just "get a grip" in the midst of a crisis you absolutely can seek help in the better times.

Your husband sounds wonderful but he deserves a life where he can go on a business trip and not worry about the safety of his children in the care of their mother.

My mum didn't and when I left for uni called approx every 12 minutes for the first week.

Her mental health has tainted all of our family relationships. My brothers and I resent her for what she put us through and the fact that she never even tried to get better even when we told her as teenagers how it affected us she never tried to seek help. She seemed to revel in it.

We all walk on tiptoes around her now, she's single and living alone because people couldn't cope with her way of doing relationships.

I'm not saying this to be mean more as a cautionary tale, you have a chance to seek help. Your husband sounds wonderful and would surely support you.
Healthier relationships would benefit you all and you would feel so much better in yourself Thanks

booboo24 · 28/11/2018 08:34

A580 Depression isn't about being unhappy with your lot in my experience . I felt empty, emotionless, and trapped, but all the while thinking it was normal and I assumed that that was what growing up felt like (I was 16 when it started) but you can still rationally know that you're happy with your lot. It's hard to describe, but it's not as though a certain thing makes you miserable, you just.....are....and it's constant, there's no lift, no little sparks of fleeting happiness, just nothingness if that makes sense. i wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy. I'm 27 years on from it and can remember how I felt as if it were yesterday.

Anxiety is different though, you can be ecstatically happy and still a ball of bloody worry!

WellThisIsShit · 28/11/2018 09:17

What an extremely difficult situation for everyone.

I was with you 100% up until you mentioned that your children can see that something is seriously wrong. That’s not fair on them and the way you wrote it doesn’t seem particularly worried or understanding about the effect your illness is having on your children.

Or should I say, the effect of the way you are managing your illness is having on your children. Because it’s about getting it under control and learning ways to cope that don’t leave everyone around you emotionally damaged. And I say that not to hurt you, but as a wake up call because it’s easy to fall into a pattern of ‘just about surviving’ rather than striving for that bit further, and deciding that just because you Can go on this way, doesn’t mean you Should.

Im saying this as someone who has become seriously ill and disabled since my son was born, so have had to do all my parenting by putting my child first in a big way, and everyday I slap on my ‘mummy face’ which hides the pain and exhaustion and fear and worry, and I do it even if it’s killing me inside. Because I will not have my child’s mental health damaged by me. It’s really fucking hard and of course there are moments when I can’t do it, or I get it wrong, but the point is, it’s the focus of my life, to do my best for my little boy. Because it terrifies him when he can feel / see that his grown up, his foundation and protector and pillar of the world, when that person is falling apart and leaving him vulnerable... it’s terrifying and I don’t want to do that to him. I guess I’m very motivated as I don’t have anyone to take over for me, my husband left us when I got I’ll, and we have no other family now. But even if there was someone else, I don’t think I could just abdicate my responsibilities, my child needs me too much.

So that’s why I’m saying, hang on, you’ve lost all perspective to casually mention that your behaviour is at best unnerving and making your children very anxious themselves ...

Your husband has to share responsibility for this as well, as you say you were clear that this would happen and he ignored you. But, you can’t go on living like this, and you need to find other ways to cope rather than relying on your husbands physical presence. Please stop coasting along using this extremely difficult way to balance your illness. Just because this crutch is available to you, it doesn’t mean you should be using it. As you can now see, I hope.

On another note:

I sighed when I saw the same old mumsnet boogeyman being wheeled out. That completely inappropriate online diagnosis of Borderline Personality Disorder.

It mainly means that people think you’re being selfish, they cannot relate to you and they want to ‘other’ you, and also blame you.

But this self focused ness is what happens when you are living with an unmanaged mental health disorder (I mean the one you actually have been diagnosed with, anxiety!). When your only ways to cope, the only ways to control the worst symptoms, are about controlling the people around you, everything becomes about the illness, and by extension, you. And this really isn’t a sustainable situation, and it isn’t going to bring you happiness, or the people close to you happiness either. You are all in thrall to the mental illness, vs it having less power, iyswim?

To some extent your illness will always have to be worked around in some ways, just like my physical one does (exactly the same as in fact, no difference :) ). It’s finding the balance so your illness is not the master and your family are all the servants.

The idea is to find ways of doing things that makes the illness fade into the background and allows you to be free to be yourself again and do the things that are important to you... however, and this shouldn’t really need saying, these ways of doing things should make your illness fade into the background and free your loved ones as well as you. Not chain them up instead of you.

The classic mistake healthy people tend to make is in thinking that by making any adjustments you are ‘giving in’ to the illness and you therefore should cope without any adjustments or taking into account your illness at all... which always ends badly! But so does crowning your illness master of the house and lord of anyone who tries to have anything to do with you. That doesn’t work either.

The way to try and live happily with a long term illness is to have insight into your illness, the triggers and your needs, and find good solutions to meet those needs and stop setting off those triggers. I’d say you’ve found partial solutions but they are good solutions as they aren’t sustainable and they rely on another person being a servant to your illness (master of the house type of thinking). So you need to start again and come up with better solutions...

Eg I need to schedule and plan everything, so I can pace & manage my health resources to spend on the important things like picking DS up at school once a week. If I don’t schedule other activities and guard that health & energy, I can’t do it. So it’s adjusting one area of life eg scheduling everything (no more spontaneous stuff for me sadly!), & learning how to say no, in order to be free to do something super important to me and DS (being at the school gates).

That sounds a simple solution but actually loads of work has gone into making that possible. It’s also about being able to manage my activities because I have someone else to do things when I can’t (I’m bedbound 20-24hrs a day), so I have a PA/ carer. Which I hate the idea of (not the person!), but I have to have as there’s no other way to function and DS would be neglected if I didn’t have help. I had to acknowledge how ill I was and how disabled I am in order to get stuff in place that enables me to do something that’s important to my boy. If I’d just tried to ‘get over it’ and do everything without taking into account my illness, I’d have made myself even iller and less able to do things. If I’d have let my illness reign supreme I’d never be able to do anything as I wouldn’t be able to get it under control and manage it and prioritise my activities l. There are still times when it does all go to pot and it takes over, but it’s when I’ve had to do too much, and go beyond my capabilities that this happens, usually when a carer is sick.

I think you need to sit down, ideally with a mh professional, and really think about your coping strategies, and the adjustments that need to be made in order for your illness to be made less powerful in your life, and less powerful in your husband and children’s lives too.

Good luck Flowers Cake Brew

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/11/2018 10:05

I have direct experience of what you are doing. You tell person A you will find it hard to cope whilst they are away. Then you go into full on panic mode when they leave. Begging and crying that you can't cope and to come home.
Person A having been put through the wringer so they can't enjoy themselves decides to come home. Only then you say you are fine (because you have got what you wanted by making sure person A is disturbed and cannot enjoy their trip). Person A returns and finds you well and after the initial greetings is left feeling like they wished they had stayed away and regret the missed opportunities. Eventually though person A cannot stand living in the prison and leaves.

I grew up with a mother like yourself who had MH issues and the impact it has had on my life has been horrendous. As soon as i could i left and have never seen her since.

You do realise you are teaching your children that mummy cannot be left alone or she goes off the deep end.

What will you do when your DC start to leave for University or will you employ the same tactics.

It might sound harsh but what you have done I could have told you your every move including that your dh would give up his trip and fly back because it is the same thing my mother used to do.

SilverLining10 · 28/11/2018 10:19

Summed it up perfectly Oliversmum.

Sounds so similar to my own experience. What the op did was cruel, selfish and damaging to her family and kids. If her husband was so happy to come back to support her then why would he have left in the first place?

She was extremely selfish and that reflected in her mentioning her children much later on in her posts. It's all about her. I can bet that he is resentful and her children are already traumatized by her.

A580Hojas · 28/11/2018 10:47

Excellent post WellThisIsShit

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/11/2018 10:48

I note op you called the trip a "jolly" which denigrates the whole reason for going.

From what you have described it certainly doesn't look like it was a "jolly" it sounds like he was looking around farms to see different methods and if any could be useful for your own business.

The word "jolly" sounds like you are denigrating what he does.

I will guess that if your dh had stayed then you would have got in a state over him preferring to be on his "Jolly" than be home with you.

bethy15 · 28/11/2018 10:53

I don't understand, you begged and pleaded but he ignored your pleas and set off half way across the world anyway.

You call and say you're struggling, but to stay anyway and he comes back in a flash, which is pretty hard to do half way across the world.

I don't know, I wonder if the resolution may not be 100% honest, because otherwise it makes zero sense, if he's sensitive enough to want to come back, why would he ignore you beforehand?

And I agree with others, it is manipulating him using your mental health, I have MH issues too, and it's not something you should use to blackmail people with, that's emotionally abusive behaviour. In another thread a woman is saying her husband is has said similar things and it's part of his abuses towards her.

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/11/2018 11:02

bethy15

The only way to describe it is the reason the dh went in the first place is he really wanted to go. He was already thinking that if he didn't go he would never do anything again but once he had left the OP ramped up the panic and calls and in the end he couldn't stay without feeling guilty and the calls just tarnished what was supposed ti be a good trip.

I bet the dh will plaster a smile on his face when he gets off the plane but deep down he knows he will never be able to leave again.
Unless they split but given op cannot cope on her own he will end up looking after the DC full time and the opportunity will not be there for a very long time if ever again

MarshaBradyo · 28/11/2018 11:15

On wondering why he left when begged then returned when not I suppose it’s not inconceivable the children spoke with their father and said they were worried / scared. This would have got him back on a plane pdq

I do think the op owes it to her family to help herself. MH issues can make you quite self-focussed when there are others being affected hugely.

It’s not an easy thing but just saying oh all fine he’s back, he did the right thing is not enough imo

bethy15 · 28/11/2018 11:28

poster Oliversmumsarmy

Yes, I am just wondering if it's 100% truthful. I just cannot see it. If he didn't care or fly back when it would be easier and she was still begging him, why change his plans when she said she was a bit better and to stay? I don't know, I'm just not buying it.

The OP has major issues with controlling him. To think about flying out, especially as she has children too, how would that even work? And she tells him to call everything off and they do their own thing together.

Look at the OP. Her three choices are all about her, there is no 4th option of him staying and her just having to manage her symptoms and use coping strategies. She is very selfish, and I have to say, as someone with severe anxiety, I'm pretty disgusted at how she's using it to control and coerce her husband.

I've been the victim of something similar, my mother had slightly high blood pressure and she held it over me for things she didn't want me to do or say. There's huge resentment and it's just not right.

Orchidflower1 · 28/11/2018 12:48

wellthisisshit fabulous post! 👍🏻

OP I’m not sure if you’re still reading the thread or not but home your dh homecoming goes well and that you continue to get the support you need and have a happy and healthy family 🌷🍫☕️

Oliversmumsarmy · 28/11/2018 15:01

It sort of reminds me of that Ronnie Corbett sit com Sorry

Whisky2014 · 28/11/2018 16:32

Totally agree with Oliver

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