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Am I self-sabotaging perfect relationship? (Sex-related)

216 replies

ConkerGame · 21/11/2018 12:10

DP and I have been together for a year and are very happy about 95% of the time. He is kind, caring, fun, makes me laugh and we have lots in common and plenty to talk about. We also have similar values and common hopes/goals for the future. We have decided to move in together (he is really excited about this and until last Sunday so was I) and have planned to take the first practical steps towards that this weekend. We would end up making the move in early Feb.

I’m thinking of asking him tonight if we should postpone moving in together until we’ve resolved the one issue we have that keeps coming up and makes me unhappy for the other 5% of the time we spend together (it came up again on Sunday so has given me doubts). I know he would be devastated and really worried if I did this so I wanted to check with some impartial people first whether or not I’m needlessly sabotaging something good?

The issue is our sex life - we have quite different needs/wants and place different importance on it. For me, sex is hugely important in a relationship as it’s the one thing you only ever do with one another. It makes me feel attractive, sexy, loved and affirms our relationship for me. I would happily have sex with him every evening and morning we spend together unless there’s some actual reason not to - e.g. one of us is ill/I’m on my period/one of us has just received some terrible news etc. I also like to try out different things and experiment a bit (nothing too wild!) and would love to share fantasies /talk dirty etc. Previous boyfriends have always wanted sex as much as me or more than me and have been more adventurous too.

My current DP on the other hand is very vanilla and doesn’t seem to need/want it as much as I do. He only ever wants to have sex in the evening, in bed, in one of our “usual” positions and only two or three times a week. He is just as happy to sit next to each other reading, which to me would be how I would expect our life to be in our 40s when we have kids, not in our early 30s with no kids, when we’re still in the honeymoon phase.

I really love him and have accepted that he’ll never be as sexual as I would ideally want him to be. He has explained that in the morning he starts to feel stressed about work so isn't in the mood, so I no longer hope for sex in the morning (I used to regularly be hopeful and then feel upset and rejected when it didn’t happen). He has also said that he likes to know I will enjoy it so prefers to stick to tried and tested moves - so I have accepted that if I want to try something new it’s up to me to tell him and initiate it. The one thing I can’t cope with though is when he’s not up for it in our usual positions in the evening. This is apparently his “safe zone” so the only explanation as far as I’m concerned is that he’s just not that attracted to me. It gets me down hugely when this happens and massively affects my self esteem. I spend the whole night crying and the whole of the next day feeling in despair and unattractive. He has assured me he does find me very attractive and also says nice things about my appearance sometimes out of the bedroom (e.g. if I’ve made an effort for a party or something) so when we’re not in one of these periods I can logically see that he probably does, but when I’ve just been “rejected” in the bedroom, it makes me feel awful. Just to be clear he doesn’t say no to me as such as I don’t push. He just says “night!”, kisses me, switches off the light and turns over. I don’t know whether I should maybe be more assertive about it and ask him if we could have sex before going to sleep? That sounds desperate to me though! He never has to ask me - we just start kissing and then go for it.

So does anyone have any ideas about how to solve the sex issue (which comes up every 4-5 weeks) and/or have any thoughts on whether I should suggest delaying moving in together until it’s sorted?

I’d be devastated to ruin something that’s otherwise so good but also can’t live with feeling this low for a couple of days every month Sad and worry the issue would get worse when living together as there would be even more opportunities for him to turn me down (we currently spend around 5 nights a week together).

OP posts:
SummerGems · 23/11/2018 11:11

Wtf should anyone work on wanting sex more than three times a week?

Wanting sex every morning and night, considering saying no as rejection and crying over it would be considered to be a sex pest if it were a man,and that’s the best case scenario. That level of needing sex isn’t normal and it’s the OP who needs to adjust her expectations. As for the dp, if he was a woman people would tell him to get the hell out.

ManHatingfeministType · 23/11/2018 11:15

He is just as happy to sit next to each other reading, which to me would be how I would expect our life to be in our 40s when we have kids, not in our early 30s with no kids, when we’re still in the honeymoon phase.

Exactly. And you don't even live together so it should be exciting. I'd expect the amount of sex you have to go downhill from it's current point not the other way around. Make sure you're OK with it.

SummerGems · 23/11/2018 11:37

Thing is we’re talking sex three times a week not once a month.

And when a woman comes on here talking about how her partner cheated because he wasn’t getting enough sex, if she’d said they were having sex three times a week people would brand him all the things under the sun. And yet on here we have someone actively suggesting that the OP would be justified in wanting sex with others because her dp refuses t have sex morning and night?

MistressDeeCee · 23/11/2018 11:57

Summergems exactly.

There are men out there who could very well give you lots and lots of sex, doesn't mean they'll want a relationship with you though.

Yet some would advise OP to throw away a decent relationship for the sake of that, or be a cheeky fucker and stay in the comfort of her relationship whilst getting her sex groove on with some other bloke alongside.

If they aren't compatible then they aren't, it's just one of those things that have to be talked out and resolved or it's best for the relationship to end.

The cheating suggestions + idea that this man should just get it up everyday + get into sexual positions he's not into....

All of it is condoning a sexually co-ercive and abusive relationship, with the 'punishment' for not willingly accepting control in this way being your partner will get sex elsewhere.

Nasty.

SinisterBumFacedCat · 23/11/2018 12:01

Op has said 95% of the relationship is perfect but I think the sex is in reality more than 5% important to her. However I think she really needs to sort ou out why she needs to feel validated by sex rather than doing it go the enjoyment of it. If that is primarily what she is getting out of sex with her partner then they are both getting it wrong.

EllenCarver · 23/11/2018 12:02

A man weeping into his pillow because his dp didn’t want sex would be quite rightly met with rolling eyes.

PookieDo · 23/11/2018 12:11

But if a man said:

‘My wife will only have sex with me in 3 positions, will not consider sex at any other time of day or night that might suit my desires too, will not consider trying anything I might like and sex is only in the bed and outside of sex we obviously get on but there is no real passion and I am feeling sad and rejected a bit’

Then maybe the advice would be that this isn’t about the frequency - the frequency is what everyone has jumped onto. Not the fact that OP is way more adventurous compared to her DP who does not want to move outside his own comfort zone

Surely no one would be telling a man either he’s lucky he’s getting any sex at all so should get over it

It’s really not that simple. They are incompatible

busybarbara · 23/11/2018 12:29

Then maybe the advice would be that this isn’t about the frequency

Correct, we'd be asking him how much housework he does and whether he shares in the emotional load of maintaining a household Wink

larrygrylls · 23/11/2018 15:57

I just think to hang so much on one thing is not normal and a little juvenile.

Most people just won’t get 100% of what they want from any one partner. Clearly everyone has different priorities but would the OP really prefer a boring selfish sex God? Maybe she would...but I am not convinced.

What happened to finding fulfilment through work, friends, hobbies etc etc?

I really do think that for adults it is not normal for continuous enjoyable sex to be the sine qua non without which it is impossible to be happy.

And how would the OP feel if her libido declined and her husband went into a huge sulk because she would not give him sex? Or divorce her a few years down the line?

PookieDo · 23/11/2018 16:46

At no point does OP or anyone else say she is expecting 100% from a partner

She also lists loads of his other good qualities

Sex is an important part of a relationship for many people. It doesn’t make them needy weird or shallow

Sadik · 23/11/2018 17:45

The trouble is, sex isn't just one thing among many, its the one single thing in a relationship which for the vast, vast majority of people they can only satisfy within that relationship.

I was in the opposite position for a long time, and I know at one point my ex-H said - possibly overstating the case but he did have a point - that if it hadn't been for sex, we'd have broken up years previously. Sex can paper over a hell of a lot of problems in a relationship, and being honest everyone has rocky times when things need a bit of papering over.

I also agree with a pp, what leaps out at me isn't the frequency, but the level of routine already at this point that the OP is describing.

PookieDo · 23/11/2018 17:58

All of the things people list about a partner I can do with my friends. Except have sex with them as that is a whole other level of intimacy

I’ve been really thinking about this today although OP has not been back but as for morning sex... even on the weekends? He says he blames Work but what about sat and sun? He has completely vetoed this has he? I don’t quite get it. Which is why I wonder if really there is an intimacy issue/emotional connection problem between them which is a big barrier

ConkerGame · 23/11/2018 19:47

Sorry I’ve been absent today! Had a bit of a chat with DP last night. I apologised to him for last Sunday and said I recognised my reaction was disproportionate and irrational and clearly triggered by some insecurity I didn’t know I had. He seemed quite taken aback by “my” insight - thanks Mumsnet!

He said he just doesn’t want it to come between us as he sees us being together forever. He said he doesn’t understand why it needs to be such a big deal as it’s just one part of our relationship. Funnily enough I said what @sadik and @pokie said - that to me it’s one of the most important parts as it’s the only part we do just with one another and it gives us a connection we don’t have with anyone else. I think that made him understand where I’m coming from a bit more.

He said he doesn’t see why this has to turn into a huge problem as long as we communicate. I’m going to take the lead a bit more as he said sometimes he just doesn’t realise I’m up for it as I never initiate. He is also open to trying some new positions, so there is hope!

In the meantime I’m going to look into sorting my insecurities in this area.

OP posts:
Jlynhope · 23/11/2018 22:20

That's really great to hear! I hope things go well for you both in the future.

Mishappening · 23/11/2018 22:41

So you talked to him about it - what a novel idea!

maximumcarnage · 23/11/2018 22:52

I’d say good luck to her partner. He’s going to need it.

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