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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

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OrchidInTheSun · 08/05/2018 14:22

Unless he's truly remorseful then I don't think you have a future. And I don't think he is.

TBH, a cheater will remain a cheater. Never make the mistake of thinking you're the one who is going to change him - you won't. And any man who's out flirting and snogging when his partner is at home with their newborn and a baby has zero respect for women.

Bluebelle38 · 08/05/2018 14:23

He didn't know why he kissed her when he had been flirting with her and ignoring your texts at work for months!!???

He's a player. I'd never trust after this sort of betrayal. I'm sorry.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 14:24

'Drop it and move on'?

He cheats on everybody?

ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now. - Yes, he is. Or rather, you know the person he really is instead of the fake, and that's what's different. No, there is no way to trust him again, because he's not trustworthy. You never will trust him again, if you have any sense, because that would be foolish, now you know.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? - For as long as you stay with him. Unless you do a really really good job of lying to yourself.

Get rid. 'Drop it and move on' would seal that for me, by the way - fucking cheeky little cheat.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:25

He was apologetic upon the initial discovery, but I've since told him that every now and again I'd like a simple 'I'm so thankful for the second chance' comment or something along those lines, just so I know he still understands and realises the severity of what he did, but he told me that he doesn't see how bringing it up will do me any good.

Granted, constantly talking about it isn't the way to move forward, but he's not really making a great deal of effort to show me that he's remorseful Sad

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ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 08/05/2018 14:26

He’s a cheat. Stay with him or don’t but this isn’t who is, this is what he does, that won’t change. If you stay you are accepting it. You will be cheated on.

ZibbidooZibbidooZibbidoo · 08/05/2018 14:26

This is who he is.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 14:26

And - your children are really small. While it will be harder on a practical level to get rid now, on every other count it will be 100% easier if they barely remember you together. Please move on - you could have a lovely, secure life with a decent honest man. You won't have that with this nasty little player. He cheats on everybody, he's always cheated, he can barely stay faithful to you even when you've just had a baby together - honestly, do you really think he's going to be the key to a happy life? No.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/05/2018 14:28

Things are not back to normal and they will not go back to how things were. He has cheated because he can and it works for him; he has never thought of anyone else other than he here in this whole sorry episode.

Why would you want to be at all with him now?. He is not good enough for you or should not be. He has form for cheating prior to meeting you and even his sister says that she is not convinced you will not be cheated on again. Raise your bar higher, you can do a lot better than this man.

What do you get out of this, what is the payoff still here for you?. Are you planning on staying simply because of your kids?. Its never a good idea to stay simply for the children, it teaches them that their parents relationship was based on a lie. They deserve better too frankly.

If there is no trust now there is no relationship. I would read the ChumpLady website www.chumplady.com/ and read their Not What to Do section in particular.

itallhappensforareason · 08/05/2018 14:29

I haven't personally experienced this but I don't think I could get past it if it did happen to me. If he has a reputation for cheating then he clearly is not going to change - and he has already proven that by doing it to you. Once the trust has gone I personally don't think you have much left.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 14:31

just so I know he still understands and realises the severity of what he did

but he doesn't, because it clearly wasn't severe at all. You took him back pretty much instantly, asked for answers, he fobbed you off with 'don't know' - and that was that. He's even cocky enough to basically tell you that you should shut up about it now.

Realises the severity? I don't think so. He sees you as a mug. Which is another reason why yes, he'll feel he can do it again. Tracks will be covered better next time, though.

Oneofeach33 · 08/05/2018 14:33

I really feel your pain and I am in a very similar situation. I think it makes it a million times worse that your confidence is at an all time low following having a baby and for this to happen it just knocks you even more.

It is really important that it is not brushed under the carpet though and everything is dealt with otherwise what happens the next time the opportunity arises for him. There is always a reason for cheating and I almost guarantee you that it is nothing to do with you and more so to do with him seeking attention as you were quite rightly focused on your babies.

It is so hard and it can seem like the right thing to do is to forgive and try again especially as you are not only breaking up a relationship but a family too. Ultimately it is your decision and what you can forgive and live with going forward but if he isn't going to work through things he is almost making your decision for you.

I really hope you are OK

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:35

I think I want to believe that it was a one off. But he told me he liked the attention from her and it's not life I can keep him from speaking to a female ever again, what's to say that someone else isn't going to come along who will also give him attention?

I know people have gone through affairs and still salvaged their marriage, so it can be done, but how I'm feeling right now, I just do not know how they did it.

It's still early days for us, it hasn't even been two months since I caught him out, but I expected to slowly feel better, not worse?

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mamaslatts · 08/05/2018 14:40

I don't believe that everyone who cheats will always cheat on their partners. However, your partner has done this multiple times before and does not seem at all remorseful this time round. I also think its interesting that he told you that he knew why he cheated before, 'to end the relationship' but is telling you he doesn't know why this time. I suspect its the same reason and he will do it again.

It must be extremely hard with 2 young babies (I suspect he is not the most hands on husband/father if he's this selfish). I think you should look at what a separation would look like - practically, financially, what support you would have and then at least you know what your options are. Also important to remember that just because you told him he had another chance, doesn't mean you have to keep going with this option. You can change your mind at any time. It doesn't sound like he exactly grabbed this chance with both hands anyway.

AfterSchoolWorry · 08/05/2018 14:40

Hmm, so he walked to her house, they could have gone in. I wouldn't believe it was just a kiss.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:42

Sorry to hear that you're going through something similar @Oneofeach33 it really is hard, isn't it Sad

DP is the type to sweep EVERYTHING under the rug. Any awkward situation, conversation, confrontation he just isn't down for. We could have a blazing argument one night, then the following morning, he acts as if nothing has happened whilst I'm still sat there fuming. He doesn't deal with emotions and generally talking about anything remotely serious well at all, so I'm not entirely surprised by how he's handling this.

I just want some more support. I feel as though this shitstorm has been dumped in my lap and he's just going about his days now like nothing ever happened, all whilst I'm at home, looking after our two babies and trying desperately to hold it all together. It really sucks.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 08/05/2018 14:42

You mention DP rather than DH: I take it as given therefore you are not married to him.

Do not blame your own self here; this was and is all about him and him alone. He chose freely to do what he did and he has also cheated on previous girlfriends as well. His sister has also made damning comments about her brother. You are simply the latest in a long line of women he has cheated on so his behaviour anyway is not a one off.

I wonder how low your relationship bar actually is here because it does seem very low indeed. He will continue to cheat on women as well because this is who he is, he feels entitled to act as he does. Nothing to do with you and what you have and have not done, this is all on him.

To my mind sadly this cannot be salvaged as he is refusing to take any real responsibility for his actions here. He has basically told you to shut up, he has certainly shut you down. Your family unit also consisting of your kids deserve far more than a cheat for a dad.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:45

@AfterSchoolWorry the thought constantly crosses my mind that it could've been more than a kiss, however her husband and young daughter were home, so that wouldn't have been an option. I do wonder if they'd have gone in if they hadn't been there though.
It's those thoughts that are killing me the most.

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ellsbells2 · 08/05/2018 14:52

As I read on here before; When someone shows you who they are believe them.

He cheated on you and won't offer you the support you need to get through it. He's not treating you with any respect.

Adora10 · 08/05/2018 14:54

He walked her home and they had a kiss, yeah in the old mills and boon days, c'mon OP, no doubt he was in her home, I can imagine what happened and I'd bet it was more than a kiss, even if it wasn't he actually sounds like he is cheesing, he is showing he cares not a jot about you OP, you never made him suffer any loss, two days and his feet were back under the table, no wonder you are pissed off, he did get away with it, he will do it again as well as he can see how easy he can and get away with it; until you value yourself then he won't, he obviously has no sense of commitment or his own self worth to be such a sneaky git going behind your back like that, I'd never want to forgive, he'd be long gone.

elderflowerandrose · 08/05/2018 14:57

You went into your marriage with trust and the best intentions.

The same can not be said for him.

I could not get past it, he doesn't even seem to care how much this has hurt you. As in completely indifferent.

Yes you are holding it together, and you can do that just as well without this hanging over you waiting for the next one. I would honestly consider a separation. You have not been able to get past it because he has done absolutely nothing to give you any kind of confidence that he won't do the same (or worse) again. Why should you live like this?

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 15:00

I think I want to believe that it was a one off.

But it's not a one off! He's a serial cheat and always has been, with everyone he's ever had a relationship with?

Ummm...

this shitstorm has been dumped in my lap and he's just going about his days now like nothing ever happened, all whilst I'm at home, looking after our two babies and trying desperately to hold it all together.

And this is the way it is always going to be, with a bloke like this.

You aren't even married (though I bet he made sure they had his name!) - get out. Leave him. He is a cheat and a stonewaller. You are gradually feeling worse, not better, because you are not stupid and now the shock is wearing off you are beginning to realise what you have there are a partner - and it isn't pretty.

We are here to tell you one thing - that it doesn't have to be that way and YES you can walk away.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 15:00

AS a partner

Idontdowindows · 08/05/2018 15:01

He has cheated on everyone and now he has cheated on you. He's simply doing what he does best.

He's counting on you shutting up about it, and once he believes it has died down, he will do it again.

I would advise that you take a break. A good one, so that you can have your time alone without his constant presence. He can stay somewhere else for a while and think about what he has done.

He doesn't deserve you. He will never be loyal to you.

Fluffycloudland77 · 08/05/2018 15:05

Leave.

He’ll still be doing this when he’s in his 50’s and it will suck the joy out of your life.

One of dhs friends does this in every single relationship. His last dw divorced him and he’s engaged now but has a job working abroad for weeks at a time with people who don’t know his fiancée. For a cheat that’s the perfect setup. Even Dh says she’s deluded if she thinks he isn’t shagging every girl who’ll say yes. We know a few men like this, some are on wife 3 at 50yo.

To men like this there is no severity. If you leave there will be another to replace you and one after that until he gets too old to do it. Whether it’s you he’s cheating on someone else the pattern remains.

It’s a bloody cheek to tell you to basically shut up about it.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 15:07

I do sometimes get myself in to a state wondering whether I'm over reacting?

People have partners who have Month long, hell, even year long affairs. Partners who have multiple one night stands, my partner kissed someone else and I feel this shit? My heart truly goes out to those who have suffered worse than I have.

I know for a fact it was only a kiss, as like I said, her husband and daughter were at her house, and from the time they left the pub to him getting home, they wouldn't really have had time to do anything else.

But still. A kiss seems enough to absolutely destroy me.

I want the trust to come back. I want the respect to come back even more so. I just have no idea how I go about doing that when I can't stop thinking about what he did

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