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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

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Ryder63 · 09/05/2018 20:14

He changed out of his work clothes and has stormed out

This 'storming out' is a tactic often used by cheating men, so they can contact an ow or meet up with one.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/05/2018 20:20

Wow - what a manchild.

AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 20:54

You have been totally flogging a dead horse

TattyCat · 09/05/2018 22:41

You have been totally flogging a dead horse

This ^. Our situations are similar but the way he's handling it is so very very different from my cheating bastard. Mine appears^ to be extremely repentant, sorry, shocked and ashamed. Of course, this may well not be the case so only time will tell whether he can keep up with the hard work required to fix it and whether I can get to a place of acceptance that I love someone who is capable of hurting me so badly (I suspect I can't, but I'm still reeling and unable to process my emotions atm).

I couldn't deal with the way your DP is behaving and I certainly wouldn't accept ANY blame on my part for the choices he has made. I'd have to let him go given his lack of remorse.

IdblowJonSnow · 09/05/2018 23:20

Oh op, what a dick he is. Sorry you're going through this. You're well rid but it must hurt. What real life support do you have? It's best if he just goes now if that's possible. You are still so young and have your whole life ahead of you and you will come out of this stronger and wiser and with higher expectations for your next relationship/s. Stay strong! X

LetMeGo66 · 10/05/2018 00:27

You’ve completely done the right thing. Maybe he’s just really bad at talking through feelings or maybe he’s just a total twat. Either way he’s had his chance to show remorse and make it up to you but he hasn’t he just wanted to pretend it never happened instead.

Mrstobe90 · 10/05/2018 00:44

You've done the right thing!
If he really wanted to work on the relationship, he would have done.
You can't kill yourself trying to make the relationship work if he's not willing to even try.

I hope you're ok!

Locotion · 10/05/2018 07:43

What a prick.

alvinp · 10/05/2018 08:16

Stay strong OP. Been in your shoes with exDW 15 years ago, never regretted ending it.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 10/05/2018 08:17

So a little update after DP stormed out yesterday -

I sent him message last night essentially saying that breaking up isn't what I want, but it's happening as a result of his actions.
I told him that I'd expected him to fight for us, for me, for his children and not just piss it all away. I said that I want him to fight, I wanted him to sit down and have an honest and open conversation with me and not just run away from his problems like he always does.

He got back to me saying that he doesn't walk out because he doesn't want to fight - he leaves because of his inability to express himself properly which then turns in to frustration and he said he doesn't want to say something he'll regret out of anger and jeopardise the relationship further. He said he wants to fight.

Anyway, I said a few bits and pieces about him needing to go to the doctors to be checked for depression as I've suspected something has been wrong with him for quite some time. Then I left it at that.

This morning, I went to check some of his social media accounts that he'd given me the passwords too after he'd cheated on me, and I discovered that he'd changed the passwords last night. I know where he went last night and I know he was alone, but this sudden change of passwords when he's telling me he wants to work through things has just pissed me off even more.

I know I shouldn't be checking up on him, but for me, having those passwords was more of a security blanket. If I had the passwords, on some level, it meant I could trust he wasn't doing anything. If you've nothing to hide, it doesn't matter who sees your accounts right? But to now change them? To take away that lifeline? What is he playing at?

I messaged him this morning after I found this out and told him that he's digging himself a grave and once again, this isn't the behaviour of somebody that wants to fix things. I've told him to just continue being sneaky and that I don't give a shit anymore.

No idea how things are going to go down when he gets in from work tonight.

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MarthasGinYard · 10/05/2018 08:22

'This morning, I went to check some of his social media accounts that he'd given me the passwords too after he'd cheated on me, and I discovered that he'd changed the passwords last night.'

Welcome to your new life with a lying scum bag.

Ps he will hide accounts etc even further under stones even create new ones....so your password knowledge won't be worth much soon.

I know what I'd do.

pigmcpigface · 10/05/2018 08:23

I'm sorry, OP, but I think you are handling this in a bad way. What you're asking sounds histrionic, like something out of Mills and Boon. You want him to throw himself at your feet, brushing his coal black tousled hair out of his tearful eyes, and manfully declare his undying love for you and his wish to make any change that is necessary to keep you.

Even if he did all that as A Big Gesture, the reality of your relationship is that he's liable to cheat on you the second he gets a chance. I guarantee you, he's changed those passwords so he can delete a bunch of messages he's been sending other women.

Don't waste your life living in a dream world.

Fluffycloudland77 · 10/05/2018 08:23

Your on a path to madness there, don’t check. You live with a serial cheater who has cheated on you with another woman.

Sil’s ex told her he cheated because a priest sexually abused him as a child and he’s checking he’s not gay.

Somekindoflove · 10/05/2018 08:30

I’ve been where you are and stayed. I look over my shoulder every day and I’m waiting for the next affair. It could be next week or in five years. Unfortunately I’m not in the situation to leave until kids are a bit older. I’m so numb now emotionally, if he did cheat I probably wouldn’t even give a shit. Do you want that for yourself? I have an exit plan but I know it won’t be for a long while. Don’t be me while you have a chance to leave. It never works out..... there’s always that % of distrust. He’s shown you who he is now.... and what’s he capable of. That’s what I find the worst to deal with.

LetMeGo66 · 10/05/2018 08:33

Your flogging a dead horse. He isn’t going to suddenly turn remorseful and be the person you want him to be.

You have an honest chat last night and I bet you felt a little better afterwards? Then he changes his passwords and your back to square one. By doing that it’s like him saying “fuck it” he is minimising his betrayal, he probably is angry it’s not all gone away yet.

I honestly don’t think there’s a trusting future ahead for you if you stay together. Just lies and paranoia.

Mywonderfulstar · 10/05/2018 08:37

OP his behaviour is showing you he is never going to change. If you stay with him you are signing yourself up to a lifetime of feeling anxious, suspicious and insecure. He doesn’t love or respect you. I know that’s harsh and it’s not what you want to hear but it’s true

SunshineandRain18 · 10/05/2018 08:53

@CloudFollowingMeAround

Literally the only thing you should be doing right now is packing his bags and telling him to "quite literally fuck off"

As @AnyFucker said, you are flogging a dead horse and prolonging agony. If he wanted to change he absolutely would and he wouldn't be making bullshit excuses about not being able to express himself accordingly.

That is a way of saying shut up because you aren't getting any further remorse out of me, so I will continue acting like this untill you've burnt out.

Now is the time to make him see you are not going to take this shite any longer. Change the benefits into your name. Set the wheels in motion. See yourself as newly single and plan the future for you and you alone.

No more ultimatums.

alvinp · 10/05/2018 10:25

Depression? I’m sorry to sound cynical but he’s really playing you with that one. The only depression he has is he’s sorry you’re into him and calling him on his behaviour.

This sounds like a variant of the Script now. Read this to predict his next gambit (and tick off the ones he’s played so far):
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/1634754-Men-affairs-what-is-the-script

I think you’re being strong and brave. Please don’t be taken in by your own kindness and willingness to forgive - he hasn’t given an inch.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 10/05/2018 11:03

No it was me that brought up the idea of depression, not him. He isn't using that as a way of excusing his behaviour.

I need to see what he has to say for himself tonight.

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dirtybadger · 10/05/2018 11:22

If you left him to it, what do you think would happen? It sounds like you are working very hard at this. You haven't said anything to suggest he has put in any work. He storms off. He gave you his passwords- was this his idea or yours?....But he has now changed them. What is he doing for you? Apart from chat.

Its almost irrelvant, because you know he is a cheat. He is the exact "type". I do believe some people dont cheat in all their relationships. But he is a serial cheat and is already cheating in a relatively fresh relationship (in that 4 years is still quite fresh). I think you might just need to accept that he is how he is, if you want to stick with him. Its ingrained and very very unlikely to change. I would be discussing you having the same freedom as him, to be honest. At least it would be fairer for you.

ellsbells2 · 10/05/2018 11:36

So you spoke to him about his instagram settings yesterday and then he changes his passwords on his other accounts?

He's not even pretending to take you seriously is he?

Gloryificus · 10/05/2018 11:37

I'll agree with the chorus of flogging a dead horse. He doesn't actually want to fight for the relationship because if the r'ship was ever important to him he wouldn't have been dating other woman.
Doubtful he's depressed either but most likely fed up having figure out how to explain what he did to you as he has no explanation. He did it because he wanted to, enjoyed the chase and enjoyed the thrill.
'Drop it and move on' is basically as deep as he's willing to dig

MeMyShelfandIkea · 10/05/2018 11:51

How many last chances is he on now OP? He's way past three...

tootstastic · 10/05/2018 12:01

Unfortunately this man isn't in love with you anymore. Understand that and act accordingly.

You deserve the right to be someone's number 1, honestly you do. There is nothing worth saving here and you know the type to avoid for your next relationship. Run a mile and don't look back.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 10/05/2018 12:12

He has crippled any future relationships for me, I fear. How will I ever trust anything that comes out of a mans mouth ever again?

I've lost track of how many times I've said 'this is your last chance, fuck up again and that's it'.

I both want and need to know, in his own words, why now, of all times, he thought it was acceptable to change his Instagram settings so I can no longer see when he's active and also why he's changed multiple passwords. I don't even care if the truth will hurt me at this point, I just deserve at least one small scrap of honesty. Don't I?

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