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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

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OpenthePickles · 08/05/2018 15:27

I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this

Well to be honest, he has hasn't he? He won't even talk about it to give you the answers you want/need. He'll do it again btw, that's guaranteed. Don't allow him to treat you this way, find your self-respect and get rid.

BrendasUmbrella · 08/05/2018 15:30

It's the fact that he did that to you so casually, and smirked in your face when you questioned him. Of course you'll feel insecure, maybe he likes you to be. And if there's no communication there can't be any growth - or trust.

Helpimfalling · 08/05/2018 15:31

It was a week today I found out from my partners sister that when he stayed at his mums a few weeks back he got drunk and had a girl back and the sister went into graphic detail

I'm broken and I'm having day nightmares about it all I have thrown him out and I've cut off his phone and blocked every number he has called me from

Worst thing is he hasn't even admitted it

I feel so awful for you but please please try not to take him back and end up where I am I'm broken looking after my children beside myself life as I know it's over but I don't want to make it worse but this wasn't one little kiss there's been flirty messages and etc for a while and for me that would be just as bad a jealous insecure person and I just couldn't stay with him if I was you

It's hard to split it really is I miss him every day but there's no way I could live with the alternative

Adora10 · 08/05/2018 15:33

OP, with the greatest respect, it was not just a kiss, it sounds like a full on relationship that consisted of nights out and carried on for two months at least, a kiss is all that happened, nah, sorry, a guy does not risk it all for a kiss or chase a woman for a kiss, it was always about the sex I'm sure, sorry to rain on your parade, as has been said, you are hanging on to a man that's not worth your tears; he seems to not give a stuff.

He couldn't even make it to four years, imagine your future.

Avasarala · 08/05/2018 15:34

Some relationships can be salvaged after an affair - when both parties truly want it and the offender is remorseful and grateful for another chance.

He doesn’t give a damn. It’s like “oops... well, what’s for dinner”

Think long and hard about the life you want, and how you want to feel with a partner. If you won’t have feelings of security and love with him, then it really is best to end things sooner rather than later. The kids will adjust, but if you drag it out and live in a miserable household, then everyone feels it. Think about what you want, how you’d manage it and come to a decision for you, not for him.

halfwitpicker · 08/05/2018 15:37

I want the respect to come back even more so.

^

Let's face it, you don't seem to respect yourself so asking him to is futile tbh

1875mlk · 08/05/2018 15:41

@CloudFollowingMeAround I think it's normal to have good days and bad days where you can't think of anything but what happened, you're hurting and don't let anyone make you feel bad about that.

I respect you for trying to make it work as I can't imagine it's easy.... but if you decide you can't trust him, there's no shame in walking away and giving yourself a fresh start xx

hellsbellsmelons · 08/05/2018 15:48

Get this book HERE and read it together.
You cannot just switch off your feelings.
This book will help him see what you are going through.
It is a betrayal.
And I doubt it was a kiss nothing else.
But you have young DC so you want this to work.
Be HE has to put in that work.
You also need some counselling for yourself.

MeMyShelfandIkea · 08/05/2018 15:51

You'll keep feeling this way all the time the situation is unresolved i.e. you said you sat him down to get some answers, he simply said "I don't know" then you let him back anyway. Both of you are minimising what happened - at the very least it was an emotional affair with a kiss, at worst...well that's what you don't know.

I can understand why you are clinging onto the hope that you can work things through because others have managed it. However the relationships that survive post-affair are the ones where the cheater shows genuine remorse and doesn't avoid their partner's questions no matter how painful or embarrassing for them. Or the cheated-on partner accepts they will always be cheated on by their partner and turns a blind eye. Unfortunately none of this applies to your own situation which is why you can't compare, any more than a person with an abusive OH can look at a healthy relationship and say "well they're happy, why aren't we?"

You either need to accept that this is the way he is i.e. cheating is an ingrained behaviour in him, or move on.

Tenpenny · 08/05/2018 15:55

I found myself in a similar situation, tried to forgive but he did it again almost exactly a year later, with absolutely no remorse the second time around.
Im now happily divorced.

Mywonderfulstar · 08/05/2018 16:01

Hi OP I forgave my H one indiscretion. He also used to tell me to “get over it” if I subsequently brought it up.

Ten years later I discovered he’d been cheating on me with different work colleagues for ten years. We are no longer together.

I’m so sorry you’re going through this

Somekindoflove · 08/05/2018 16:03

He liked his ego being stroked which seems like a common theme if he’s done it before. You have to decide if it is something you can get over and how long before he does it again. He’s not very clever at doing it.

coffeeX10 · 08/05/2018 16:19

I do think a kiss would be easier to get over when you look at it in a black and white sense however this wasn’t just a kiss, they’ve been flirting for months, emailing whilst he ignores you and then walked her home rather than getting back to his family. This wasn’t a stranger in a club when he was blind drunk “just one kiss”. He didn’t immediately regret it and confess to you, in face he lied when you were suspicious so he’d have happily carried on if you hadn’t found out and then it wouldn’t be just a kiss.

How about some sort of counselling together? I understand why you want to stay together when you have small children but he doesn’t sound remotely remorseful and a full affair further down the line would be even more horrific for you.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 16:27

Totally with you on that one @coffeeX10
i would personally be dealing with this better if it was an entirely random kiss with some woman he's never met before in his life. Ultimately, it would also be easier if he'd instantly realised what he'd done was wrong, and called it off immediately.

It's sickening that I know the woman. She's held my children ffs! I've met her husband and her daughter. I just don't get it. I know it takes two to tango, but I hate her 100000x times more than I do my DP right now.

We're supposed to be scheduling counselling. It's one of the things I told him that we absolutely have to do in order to be able to try and move forward. I left that up to him to sort out, but he hasn't yet. Go figure.

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OrchidInTheSun · 08/05/2018 16:38

I know it takes two to tango, but I hate her 100000x times more than I do my DP right now.

He is in a relationship with you, not her. He is the one that left you alone while you were pregnant, while you were first home with your newborn to spend evenings with her flirting and kissing.

He's not sorry. He's sorry he's been caught. He'll do it again and again and again. Even his sister is telling you he's a shit. If you stay, he will grind you down until your self-esteem is on the floor.

He hasn't sorted out counselling because he doesn't want counselling. He doesn't want to talk about this any more. He wants to brush it under the carpet until he next gets bored and someone catches his eye.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 16:39

A kiss seems enough to absolutely destroy me.

Well yes! Think about it. What this is about is whether your partner is someone who will cheat, and can't be trusted... or someone who wouldn't do that kind of thing to you and CAN be trusted.

Your partner is the former. Doesn't matter that this was 'just' a kiss. What it's told you is that he's a cheaty cheating cheat. This time a kiss, next time a shag... whatever. The important bit is that he does not want to be faithful to you.

I want the trust to come back. I want the respect to come back even more so. I just have no idea how I go about doing that when I can't stop thinking about what he did - it won't come back. Trust and respect are things normal people don't feel for cheaty deceitful men. That's just the way it is.

I hate her 100000x times more than I do my DP right now. - More fool you. Don't let that trip you up. It's tempting, as it makes the feelings a bit easier - but, you'd be a fool to go down that route.

He won't sort counselling - just like the 'why did you do it' - 'dunno' - it's something he can fob you off about. He doesn't respect you either, remember!

Dump him.

Adora10 · 08/05/2018 16:39

It's easier to hate her because you don't want to believe he could do this. If he won't even agree to counselling then expect more of the same OP; or better still, get rid, find yourself a man that is trustworthy, he sounds sorry, sorry he was caught.

Sickandtiredofthisshit · 08/05/2018 16:41

6 weeks on from my husband's 'kiss' with another woman the real story is beginning to unfold. First it was just a kiss. Then it was kissing and hand on boob. Now he let slip that his penis was out his pants. They minimise. I'm sorry but there's every possibility that you haven't been told the full story.

lizzie1970a · 08/05/2018 16:42

I also can't believe it was just a kiss. Reckless people like this up for an affair find a way to have sex - even down an alley way, behind the pub, in a doorway. At the very least the kiss was a rubbing up of bodies, a grope, even round the corner from her house. When you're in the throes of this kind of behaviour you don't care. Sorry to have to say this to you. It's heartbreaking. You deserve far more. I'm a worse person than you, I'd be telling her husband. Let her feel some of what you're feeling. If it forces them into each others arms then so be it - he wasn't worth it and would have left at the first opportunity anyway, and might still do either with her or someone else. There will be someone else.

lizzie1970a · 08/05/2018 16:46

I think you can hate both equally. I'm fed up hearing this oh but he was the one that is responsible as he's made the commitment to you. You can't help how you feel, especially initially. If the OW had any respect for others she wouldn't have done it. Her DH shouldn't have done it obviously but she's trying to make a go of it with him so is trying to get some positive feelings back. Of course it's natural to turn the hate on the other woman. I hate hearing the trite phrase that he's the one you should be blaming - yes, but it's not so obvious. Blame both the fuckers I think.

Sorry you had to find that out Sickandtiredofthisshit but it confirms what I think. You don't just have a kiss at his and her age. They're not 12.

lizzie1970a · 08/05/2018 16:47

"Not so clearcut" I meant to say, not "not so obvious".

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 16:49

Truthfully I've been going back and forth about telling her husband.

Messaging the other woman when I only 'suspected' they'd actually done something was actually how I found out for definite that it had happened.

I sent her a message through Facebook when I saw the flirty and suspicious messages between her and my partner, and I essentially said 'does your husband know what you've done?' on the off chance that she'd slip up and reveal something, and luckily or unluckily? for me, she instantly messaged my partner saying 'she knows... I'm terrified she'll tell my husband'

I did tell her that I'd be having words with her husband, but I never got around to doing it. One family has been ruined already and I'm trying to think of her poor little girl at the moment which I know I shouldn't be. I guess I'm just too nice for my own good sometimes.

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Sickandtiredofthisshit · 08/05/2018 16:51

Thanks Lizzie.

Also OP I'd be getting an STI test. That's how I found I had gonnorhea from my husband (even though it was 'just a kiss'). I know this is what you asked for as you wanted people who'd worked through it and came out the other side happier and together. You need trust and a commitment from him to do that and he doesn't seem to be providing it. Please tread carefully x

lizzie1970a · 08/05/2018 16:53

Yes, poor little girl but I'd still tell him. Selfish bastards. Risking so much for a fling as if they wanted to be together they would be.

StarlightSparkle · 08/05/2018 16:54

I was also told it was ‘just kissing’.

If I hadn’t have continued digging and found hotel bookings I would probably still be blissfully unaware of the shagging.

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