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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

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Adora10 · 09/05/2018 15:48

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship

That's so selfish.

lizzie1970a · 09/05/2018 15:56

It's good you're getting angry. He's shown no remorse or made a decent attempt to mend whatever he can. I don't think I could get past the smirk - it's so arrogant. As if he has you where he wants you as you have two young babies. My ex treated me like that when I was in the same boat. I upped and left when the eldest was two. Made a last ditched attempt to start again and I basically said it's too little too late. By then though I had no feelings for him. That's what happens when you don't "water" and "feed" a relationship.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 15:57

I used to be such a strong willed person until I met him. I never took any shit from anyone, was confident in myself but that's all changed now.

I think deep down he does want to go and that's why he's acting the way he is. I think he's scared of being the one to take the plunge and call the relationship off because let's face it, who wants to be known as the bloke who's cheated on Mrs 10 weeks after the birth of their second child, then ended it with her shortly after. I hope by making him see that him choosing to leave now isn't a negative thing, it'll probably do us both some good, not just me. If he wants to go, he needs to go. He can't keep acting appallingly in the hopes I'll be the one to do the breaking up.

In an ideal world, we'd stay together. Things would work themselves out, happy family, happy days. But he's not committed to making that happen it seems.

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Gloryificus · 09/05/2018 15:58

Yep they don't always care about losing their dc.
ex felt the dc were interfering with his social life! He only wanted contact with dc on odd days when it suited him with no advance notice and in my home of course while I stayed there tooHmm

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 16:15

I remember a colleagues ex h acting appallingly to her in the hope she’d leave, in the end his ow contacted her and told her he’d been having an affair. He lost interest in his two sons pretty quickly and moved away with the ow.

She went on to marry an international business lawyer who was loaded.

AuntyElle · 09/05/2018 17:33

I'm giving him a free pass to leave

If he doesn't take that, his other option is to choose to stay, but have a serious, serious attitude adjustment. He'll be on a trial period

I really feel for you, it must be hell. But with the above you are giving him all the choices and power. What does “a feee pass to leave” even mean? He can leave at any time, but presumably atm it suits him to have his cake, eat it, and stick his head in the sand.

Are you avoiding telling him it’s over/to leave because you think that’s what he’s trying to achieve and you don’t want to cooperate with his ‘game’? If so I can imagine feeling like you don’t want to be manipulated into going along with him, but it isn’t in the real interests of you or your children. Much better for you take control and decide yourself what happens next.

SandyY2K · 09/05/2018 17:54

Are there really people out there who are just compulsive cheats that absolutely cannot be changed?

Yes.... and furthermore some don't want to change. They are incapable of monogamy, which is fine as long as they tell their other half before they get fully into the relationship.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 18:11

A 'free pass' as in, he takes this opportunity to leave now and we'll have a somewhat friendly breakup, rather than grinding me down to my core and ultimately pushing me to do it, in which case, the termination of the relationship won't be so amicable.

If he does genuinely give a shit and from the bottom of his heart wants to change, then he's more than willing to try to. But I can't keep going on like this with how things are at the moment

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AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 18:24

He doesn't want to leave though

He wants you to stay right where you are. In a box... looking after his kids, ironing his shirts, cooking his dinners and shutting the fuck up about his little peccadilloes

If he leaves he loses his housekeeper and when he has child contact it will really fuck up his shagathons

He's going nowhere off his own bat. He would rather stay and witness you turn into a shell of your former self

Do you not see this

And please do not copy and paste any of my replies over to him. I have no wish to communicate on any level with this twat.

userabcname · 09/05/2018 18:32

OP this thread is honestly painful to read. You need to get him out of your life. If you stay together it's clear he will expect you to put up and shut up. He will probably cheat again and even if he doesn't you will spend all day everyday wondering where he is, who he's talking to, who he's messaging, what he's doing...that's no way to live. You don't trust him; he doesn't seem willing to do anything to rebuild your trust. Stop fighting for him. Focus on yourself and your babies and get out of this toxic situation.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 18:52

It's painful to be going through!

DP came home from work and I asked him why he'd changed his instagram settings. He said nothing. I explained the only reason he'd need to change it would be so he can continue browsing stuff on there all whilst ignoring my messages without me knowing that he isn't actually 'busy'. He huffed and continued doing the washing up without saying anything.

I told him he should probably leave because he's just not capable of changing and seems to have checked out, I also said that I'm not happy and he spun around went 'when are you ever fucking happy!?!?'

I said 'well, there's your answer then. You can stay here until you've found somewhere else to stay but you need to go'.

I feel okay right now. I doubt he'll try and win me back or make any attempt at an apology. Ugh.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 18:56

Ugh indeed.

Some men. You did the right thing and one day you’ll be really happy.

He’s going to go through this process again and again for the next 30 years.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 18:58

I hope I've done the right thing and that I don't live to regret it

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AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 19:02

What choice did you have ?

MeMyShelfandIkea · 09/05/2018 19:02

I think we can all confidently predict you'll regret it if you stay with him. He clearly gives zero fucks about anyone but himself.

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 19:02

I think your safe on that one. You only regret leaving the ones who treat you well.

TattyCat · 09/05/2018 19:03

I hope I've done the right thing and that I don't live to regret it

I don't think you'll live to regret it.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/05/2018 19:04

I can't think you will. He was making his priorities pretty clear. I'm sorry - how are the finances if you're on mat leave?

TattyCat · 09/05/2018 19:08

My situation is very, very similar. I'm 3 weeks from Dday and going through hell, but he (we were getting married but it's all been cancelled) is, at the moment, doing and saying what he genuinely believes to be all the right things. It's not working for me at all despite the radical changes he's making to the way we live. The ripples are reaching quite a long way and he's damaged more than just our relationship, but he hasn't yet realised just how much.

I'm taking one day at a time, for now. I'm not going to make any massive decisions just yet - certainly not until I have stabilised myself and put all those 'ducks' in a row.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 19:10

I have no money at all for myself. Not on maternity leave or anything like that. We get by on DP's income and Universal Credits which I'll be going through the motion of changing this evening.

It feels a little surreal. Not sure it's sunk in yet and I don't think he believes it either as he's laughing and joking around with the babies like - surprise surprise - nothing has happened. If someone had just told me it was over and I wouldn't be seeing my babies every day I'd probably be a hysterical mess. But there ya go 🤷🏻‍♀️

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AuntyElle · 09/05/2018 19:13

I think you handled that really well, Cloud.

But I doubt he’ll do anything about leaving. I expect he’ll muddle along waiting for you to ‘get over it’. Or make some small changes to keep you hopeful.

Don’t give him the opportunity to ‘grind you down to your core’. Only you can protect yourself from that.
I know you’ve loved him and we naturally hope that the person we love would not grind us down, but I think he will, given the chance.
It’s natural to hope that he’ll show you that after all he can and will prioritise you and your children. But he’s repeatedly shown that he won’t. It’s down to you to prioritise your own wellbeing, and kids’ wellbeing.

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 19:20

Don’t forget csa or whatever it’s called now.

That’s how duplicitous they are, they can be told it’s over and carry on without a care in the world.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 09/05/2018 19:24

I think he's scared of being the one to take the plunge and call the relationship off because let's face it, who wants to be known as the bloke who's cheated on Mrs 10 weeks after the birth of their second child, then ended it with her shortly after. Well done for taking control. But do make sure everyone knows he IS that bloke. How sad and seedy he will look.

sparkleandsunshine · 09/05/2018 19:58

He’s a shit, you’re a rock star, we’ll done xx

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 20:02

As expected, he made no attempts to fight for me.
He's adamant he's been non stop apologising for cheating on me (he hasn't), he refuses to accept that this has all happened as a result of his actions and his behaviour. He's essentially pinning it all on me.

He changed out of his work clothes and has stormed out 👍🏼

No idea where he's gone, how long he'll be. But I've put the chain across the door so good luck to him getting back in later.

I wouldn't have felt the need to do that if he'd just sat down and had a calm and rational discussion with me as to the whys and how's of how we've ended up like this.

But no, as he always does, he's run away from his problems so he doesn't have to deal with them.

Ffs.

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