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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

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Aimingfor9stone · 08/05/2018 16:54

Reading your Op, I could have been reading about my own life! My first husband did exactly what your DP did. Many different women, over several years. I didn't know at the time, although always had my suspicions, but could never prove anything. Finally, a mutual friend told me what he'd been up to, and a whole sorry tale was revealed of up to 10 women, over a 17 year period. He hid it VERY well.

Your DP sounds just like him. I honestly would get rid of him, don't be like me and spend year after year, being cheated on and lied to, having him minimise and make you feel like you are over reacting. If you are over reacting, then he would have no problem, with you texting other men, hanging around with them and kissing them, yes? Have you asked him that?

It would be bad enough, had he been blind drunk, snogged a stranger at a club, and then awoken the next day, to feel utter remorse.

He didn't though. He pursued this woman when he was sober. He texted her whilst ignoring your messages. He walked her home, and you have no idea whether her DH and child were home. This could be another lie. And, even if they were at home, they could have been brazen enough to get up to something downstairs when the family were asleep upstairs (my Ex did this many times). Failing that, people shag and give blow jobs in bushes/toilets/alleyways....

This man has cheated on every Partner he's ever had. And now you are the last in a long line, of cheated on girlfriends. He's not going to change, and why would he, he's not even been punished for this, has he?

If he's like this now, what do you think he'll be like, when he has a mid-life crises, and thinks that his time for shagging is running out?

Honestly, you DO NOT deserve to be treated like this. You were at home, caring for HIS BABIES, whilst he was trying to get his end away with another woman. Total dickhead behaviour. Get rid. I know this is easier said than done, but having done it myself, I also know that it can be done.

Fwiw, I left my DH and guess what, he did the same the his next Partner!! Nothing learned whatsoever, even after losing his wife and kids.

And, I hope to goodness you have told the other woman's husband about what happened. If you haven't, why are you protecting her? I'd have screen shot the lot, and turned up on her doorstep, when I thought that her DH would be home.

And lastly, you have his children, has he even put a ring on it?

Flowers Your feelings matter.

lizzie1970a · 08/05/2018 17:04

And don't tell your DH you're doing it either. Just do it. Your DH will be shocked by your decisiveness. If he has a go tell him him he's to blame for firstly doing this and then failing to properly atone for it and repair the relationship so you were forced to address the situation yourself plus you felt the man deserved to know - which I think he does. She could be gaslighting him about this. I bet it's not her first time either. This wasn't the start of a love affair - this was sex I think. Better her husband knows what she's like.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 17:14

I think I will message her husband. I know that if someone out there new any information about my partner being unfaithful, I'd certainly hope they'd tell me.

She did tell me that she would speak to her husband, but let's be honest, there's no way she did.

If she did tell him, perhaps he and I could help each other through it. She might have in fact told him things that my partner failed to tell me, so I think it's in both mine and her husband's best interest that I get in touch with him.

Will be doing that tonight I think!

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pigmcpigface · 08/05/2018 17:16

"I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again"

She is a wise woman. Listen to her and you'll have a lot of immediate pain, but the chance of a happy life. Don't listen and you'll have less immediate pain, but much more long-term grief. And you'll waste a load of time inbetween.

BewareOfDragons · 08/05/2018 17:25

He's a cheater.

He's cheated on ALL his girlfriends.

And now he's cheated on you, too. Only problem is, you picked this cheater to have children with, and now you have 2 babies. Probably why he doesn't want to end the relationship ... yet. He certainly doesn't sound like he's in it for the long haul with his behaviour which appears to be turning verbally abusive.

Your babies are young enough to never remember living with him. I'd seriously consider getting your ducks in a row and getting you and the babies out of there and starting over. Consult a solicitor. Make sure you go through CMS so he supports his children.

BankHolidayYAS · 08/05/2018 17:28

Drop the bomb and tell the husband.

However as for yours... he isnt remorseful by any means, you're basically asking him to be, and you can't make him

Somekindoflove · 08/05/2018 17:30

Yes tell the husband. I would want to know what my partner had been up too. Disgusting.

Jezebel101 · 08/05/2018 17:41

He’s like a different person to me now.

He shouldn't be, you knew he always cheated.

People let us know exactly who they are, by words or deeds. You have to want to hear it though.

He's cheated, then he told you he liked the attention, that he didn't know why he did it, and that bringing it up again is doing YOU no good (how kind of him to avoid hurting you). So basically he can do whatever he wants and take no responsibility and tell you to keep quiet and everything will go on as usual and he can even avoid any kind of expression of remorse or gratitude. He's got it all sussed.

I'm sure plenty of women live in situations similar to yours, I doubt many of them have a moments security or happiness. You've one life, it's up to you how much of it you spend trying to make good on a situation that is so stacked against you, but I know I'd be cutting my losses and avoiding the sunken costs fallacy.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 20:37

I took the plunge and messaged the husband. I've not had any response yet but I'm somewhat hoping to get a little more information about what she might have told him - if she didn't tell him and he's hearing about it first from me, then maybe she'll out right confess more to him than my partner did to me. I guess I'll have to wait and see.

I've just come back from the hospital after discovering my Nan has had a stroke and isn't in a good way. So for now, I'm going to put the cheating on the back burner and focus on trying to be positive.

Too much stress going on right now!

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lizzie1970a · 08/05/2018 20:59

Sorry to hear that about your nan, Cloud.

It's a good idea to see if the OW's DH knows more than you. If you are going to stay he needs to come clean to put your mind at some kind of rest, not shut you down each time you bring it up. It's a process that needs to be worked through if there is any chance of starting again.

Somekindoflove · 08/05/2018 21:01

Yes girl. Yes! So proud of you.

Sorry for your nan. Mine also did a while ago. Puts things into perspective and how ridiculous this shit is. Not your fault.

FizzyGreenWater · 08/05/2018 21:14

Sorry to hear about your Nan OP. Hope she is ok Flowers

SunshineandRain18 · 08/05/2018 21:19

Good for you! He deserved to know and she didn't deserve to get awau with it!

I would leave them both at the door with it firmly locked! Hope your nan is okay..

Flowers

Samantha77hat · 09/05/2018 02:56

There’s a difference between an overexcited snog after some drinks and flirtation with a stranger on a night out, and some sort of mini relationship with an ex coworker. I could overlook the former as long as they told me about it upfront, in fact it probably wouldn’t bother me that much but the latter is just cheating and dishonest.

Cawfee · 09/05/2018 04:09

One of the things that stands out to me is that you caught him out rather than him admitting it. If you hadn’t caught him out, he would have carried on and maybe slept with her. He has no remorse and no respect for you. He loved the attention. He’s not going to stay faithful to you. The first chance he gets he’ll do it again. That’s why you feel worse. You know this secretly inside. I’d say to get out now before he totally shreds any self esteem or self confidence that you have left

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 06:54

I agree @Cawfee For me it's also that I'd discovered it was going on, and not that he'd put a stop to it and come clean of his own accord. The kiss itself is obviously devastating, but it's mostly the 'what ifs' that are torturing me.

What if I hadn't found out? Would he have seen her again? Would he have slept with her? Would he have taken her to dinner? Would they have kept going out and getting drunk together? How long would they have kept messaging one another?

He swears blind that he would've eventually put a stop to it all, but again, exactly what would it have taken for him to have that 'oh shit, I shouldn't be doing this' moment?

There's a small part of me that wishes I hadn't pulled him up on it all when I did. I wish I could've poker faced it for a while, and seen just how far things would have escalated.

Not that I can ever, ever condone cheating, but I think there are certain times when it's slightly more forgive-able.

For me, if he'd been absolutely blind drunk, and the woman he'd kissed was a total random in a bar, and he then woke up the following morning riddled with guilt and told me about it - i feel that would be easier to move on from.

It's the fact he knew her, we both knew her, he'd been talking to her a lot without me knowing, he enjoyed her company, lapped up the attention, kissed her, and then continued talking to her afterwards that I just can't seem to forgive.

I also think cheating in a relationship where children aren't involved is a little less brutal too. But our first son was only 15 months old when it happened, and our second son was a mere 10 weeks old! It's not just me that he's wronged, it's them too.

I think I need to re-evaluate how I feel in a few more months. If there's no improvement and I still feel like a paranoid mess, then I don't see how I'll be able to continue.

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AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 07:02

You can't "make the trust come back" because he is not trustworthy

You hitched your wagon to the wrong one. The sooner you accept that and move on the better.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 07:26

The thing I'm also struggling with, is that I do wholeheartedly believe that the 'once a cheater, always a cheater' thing isn't true.

When I was in my late teens, I was a bit of nightmare in relationships. But now that I'm older, in a serious, long term relationship with two children, I wouldn't ever dream of being unfaithful, so I know that people can change.

I just assumed that my DP wouldn't cheat once he'd had children. He says it was a moment of weakness that he became caught up in whilst enjoying the attention, and while I do believe that to be true, that doesn't exactly make me feel good, for I know there'll be other women throughout his life who'll likely offer attention and are fun to be around. If he couldn't say no this time, how will he say no the next time?

As a result of this, I've told him he's never to go out on nights out without me because he simply cannot be trusted, but then what sort of life is that for him? I don't want to punish him, but I worry about who he may be talking to whilst he's at work, so I'd be a giant paranoid mess if he started going out drinking on his own again.

With all that said, I do take some comfort from knowing there are people out there who have been able to work through infidelities and come out the other side a lot stronger, I just don't know if it's normal to be feeling this upset, angry and paranoid? Sad

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Joysmum · 09/05/2018 07:27

Ad you said, I think the boys g difference here was that he was inappropriate territory well before the kiss, then he’s not shown any remorse or realisation that he was wrong and taken steps to cut contact and has instead carried on when they’ve messaged after about it being a shame that’s all it was! With all that tension there and no regrets, it stands to reason the next meeting would have seen them both wanting more.

He’s a liar when he said he would have eventually cut contact. He’s only said that because you caught him out.

SunshineandRain18 · 09/05/2018 07:34

I don't think you should count your relationships as a teenager. That's a stage we all go through. The fact you are projecting this on to yourself tells me you are trying to find a loophole for forgiveness.
Being an adult in a commited relationship with children is a whole other situation.

He shouldn't even be thinking about drinking with someone he is attracted to for attention. The moment he did that would have been the moment I walked.

theothermum · 09/05/2018 07:39

Oh dear.

  1. Either you decide to give him a chance and forget and move on or you don't. If you decide to forget and forgive he does not need to be grateful for this.
  2. It's not your place to tell other woman's husband. Leave him and her alone, they are not your problem, your DH is.
  3. Not everyone needs to be in a monogamous relationship, you might choose not to and it's ok too. But you need to know what kind of a relationship you're in and be ok with it.
  4. Banning your husband from going out without you is pathetic. Would you really accept if someone behaved like this towards you? He's a grown up man, he does not need your permission to go out.

But you don't trust him and I think deep down you don't want to be with him. This is a convenient stick to beat him with before you pluck up some courage or save enough money to kick him out.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 07:41

I'm turning 25 this year so for me, my late teens weren't all that long ago, so I do still feel bad for how I behaved back then. My partner however, will be turning 35 this year. I know age shouldn't make a difference to our morals and how we treat people, but I do think a man 5 years shy of 40 shouldn't be acting this way whatsoever.

He told me that he didn't go out that evening with the intention of kissing her, he's said it wasn't premeditated, and if that truly was the case, I don't see how he didn't instantly feel guilt the following day and cut off all ties from her.

There are holes in his explanations and I've tried pointing these out to him, but I'm just met with the usual 'I didn't mean for it to happen' responses 'I promise it won't happen again' blah blah blaaaaah.

Are there really people out there who are just compulsive cheats that absolutely cannot be changed? I like to try and see the best in people and have hope, but it's so hard.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 07:48

@theothermum I did ask DP how he felt about an open relationship, it's 100% not for me, and he feels the same way. He's said that he 'doesn't want to share me', so why it's okay for him to share himself around is beyond me.

If I'd had wronged him and broken his trust, I believe he'd be well within his rights to tell me I couldn't be trusted to go out alone. If he laps up attention from any woman that's willing to give it to him, how can he be expected to go out and get pissed on his own?

I'd like to eventually reach the point where I am ok with him having nights out without me there, but now is not the time for that and it won't be for quite a while. If he's serious about staying with me and staying with his children, I don't think it's too much to ask that he does everything in his power to win back my trust

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AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 07:50

Just agree on an open relationship so you can get your kicks elsewhere too. Think he would agree to that ? Or is it only him that is allowed to cheat while you try to pretend that "once a cheater always a cheater" is not the exact situation you find yourself in

AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 07:52

Cross posted. As I thought...you are expected to get over it and play the gaithful little woman but he gets to shag about without consequences.

How is this ok with you ?

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