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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

OP posts:
FizzyGreenWater · 10/05/2018 12:26

Well the trouble is that the bald truth of it is - he's a player and a twat.

There really is no more to it than that.

That's why you cannot in reality get 'the truth' from him. He just is what he is, he's hardly going to say to you 'Trouble is babe, I like you, like the idea of having kids and being a family but no way do I want to stop chasing other women because I bloody love it. No way am I actually going to be faithful to you, I've cheated on your a couple of times already to be honest, it's just that you found out this time. I wouldn't leave you mind, I like the family stuff, I just want to have it all. I changed the passwords because I'm pissed off with the way this has gone - you're supposed to be knackered and frazzled with the kids and not watching me so I expected to get away with it, and because I'm a twat with no emotional intelligence I just lashed out and changed the passwords. Doesn't matter anyway because if I did cheat using online stuff I'd just set up other accounts or get another phone - that's what my mates do.'

You're hardly going to get that speech out of him. But that's pretty much the truth. I think you know it, and so in effect 'fighting' and 'needing the truth' becomes another way of delaying the inevitable.

tootstastic · 10/05/2018 12:27

It sounds like he's incapable of honesty though. You just have to get your ducks in a row and move on as fast as you possibly can. He should no longer be any of your concern.

OrchidInTheSun · 10/05/2018 12:29

You're still flogging a dead horse. You didn't deserve any of this. You won't get any answers.

FizzyGreenWater · 10/05/2018 12:31

It's a bit like the 'I don't subscribe to the 'once a cheat, always a cheat' declaration. Um well no, 'once a cheat always a cheat' is not always going to be the case. But how about 'someone who has cheated on every single partner they have had so far and can't even stay faithful to the now long term partner who has just had their second baby, always a cheat'? Err. Yes. You'd kind of probably be happy to bet your house on that.

It's (understandable) wilful misunderstanding. You don't want to face the facts and everyone on here can totally understand why but it isn't going to help, it isn't going to change things and loads of folk on here know that only too well, and that's why they're shouting so loud.

Gloryificus · 10/05/2018 12:32

There's where insanity lies wanting honesty from a man who doesn't know how to be honest
Yet again he'll have no answer as to why he changed passwords other than because' he wanted to' 'all your fault' 'storm out' rinse n repeat. The usual predictable behaviour!

MeMyShelfandIkea · 10/05/2018 12:54

The storming out is to bamboozle you into believing that somehow he's the wronged party in all of this and to give him time to cover his tracks

You seem to think if you keep repeating the question ("why are you a cheating scumbag?") he'll eventually tell you the answer you're so desperate to hear ("I used to be but this has made me realise how much I love you and I won't ever do it again because you've been the one to finally change me"). So sorry but you're on a hiding to nothing with this one.

lizzie1970a · 10/05/2018 14:28

You've made it too easy for him - first of all you texted him (he should have been chasing you from the minute he left) then you gave him an easy way out when you said you want it to work (i.e. telling him what to do - he should be trying all sorts of things to win you back and be working this out for himself because he wants you), then he came up with shite about not being able to express himself properly, which is frustrating for him (poor diddums) but give him some points for the crap about he didn't want to jeopardise saying something wrong in anger and making things work (he does think well on his feet and told you something you'd want to hear but it's clearly bullshit - if he wanted to fight he would be! It worked too as you thought there'd been a bit of a breakthrough).

Then you acted like his mummy telling him he needs to go to the Drs. Completely facilitating his bad behaviour. (As an aside was he spoiled by his parents?)

Then he thought he had you where he wanted you and he'd done enough to make amends as you're now chasing him (in his head at least) so he did some more arse-covering by changing his passwords to exert his independence, manliness and contempt of a little woman trying to curb him.

You've lost track of how many times you've said that's your last chance. Well facilitating him has given him so many chances that he thinks he'll always have a chance with you if he throws you the odd sop about "oh I'm frustrated, I can't communicate properly, I do want you" - words do not speak louder than actions.

Listen to what everyone is saying. Some really on the dot points are being made.

When I say you're facilitating him I don't mean that as a slur to you. You're far more mature than he'll ever be. You're trying to make this work for the sake of two babies. He's not smart enough for you or this as if he truly wanted it or was capable of seeing what needed doing to keep the family together he would, but he isn't. There's better men out there.

ellsbells2 · 10/05/2018 14:44

If he's already had a lot of "last chances" then he knows you don't mean it.

Adora10 · 10/05/2018 15:00

Stop being a mug, tell him you've realised that you are all out of giving him any more chances, end of, you are indeed flogging a dead horse and not valuing yourself enough, putting him above your own needs and wants.

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 10/05/2018 15:08

Agree with everyone else I'm afraid. He is 35 years old, he's not going to change. Suspect he prefers a much younger girlfriend because women his own age would see straight through him.

Helpimfalling · 10/05/2018 15:47

How are you feeling doll xx

Joysmum · 10/05/2018 17:48

The Instagram settings are just a diversion. The real issue is all the ‘second’ chances you’ve given him and the fact that he’s untrustworthy.

What he wants is far more important to him than you and your relationship. That’s the real issue so try not to get diverted from that.

alvinp · 11/05/2018 00:48

I’ve been in your shoes OP. I know how it feels to accept what has happened yet crave some honesty, some acknowledgement. We were seeing a counsellor yet my exDW seemed to think that winning the debate was all that mattered. Eventually, after exDW had once again deflected and walked out I said to the counsellor “why does it have to be so difficult?”

Her response? “It doesn’t have to be”.
I have never forgotten those words. They liberated me.
Move on. Life is too short.

yogagirl22 · 11/05/2018 01:54

This is such a poignant thread and I am sending hugs. What a wonderful woman you are to be brave and to want ti keep your family together. Sadly I been in same boat and am now at decree nisi stage after four years of ' chances'. It cost me my health both physical and mental my career my finances and my dignity and self esteem. Difference is I nearly twice your age. Do you realise at 25 how beautiful you are? How mant opportunities you have and by keeping this selfish mind game player you are stopping that?. At 35 his 'midlife' crisis only going to get worse as he ages his urge to feel attractive to other women will intensify. I too started the detective work , online checking second guessing it was an obsession. I used this as a distraction so I wouldnt feel the ultimate pain of what he had done and broken everything. Have a really good cry. Get angry. Pity the fool who lives his life so selfishly. Then chuck him out for good dont wait until you 30 and broken like I became. It rarely ends well and I know thats not what you want to hear but investing your energies in improving your life now for you and your babies is so vital. Tell him you moving on and do it. Even fake it if you have to. Sending you hugs and strength...

Helpimfalling · 11/05/2018 16:55

How are you getting on I need some inspiration

CloudFollowingMeAround · 13/05/2018 11:28

Hi all,

Just wanted to thank everyone for their lovely words, particularly those talking about their own personal experiences as I know that can’t have been easy.

Figured I’d write a little update as didn’t want to leave this thread all up in the air after having not posted in a few days.

The day after DP walked out, changed settings and changed passwords, I sat him down and had a good, long talk.

I told him our relationship really is at a crisis point now - worse than it’s ever been, and if he can’t truly see that he needs to change, then I will go and take our children out of this toxic environment.

DP has always struggled with ‘serious’ conversations, he’s a stonewaller - and according to his family, is an engrained behaviour that he’s had since he was very young. I told him that if he doesn’t take the steps necessary to learn how to open up, be honest and express emotions then he will pass on these traits to our children. That sentence made him cry and I think opened his eyes. He told me that he doesn’t want our boys suffering with opening up the way he does. He wants them to be able to freely talk about their problems and not shut down.

He went to the library the following day and returned home with a bunch of self help books, which for him, is an amazing step forward.

He’s going to the doctors next week as we suspect he has depression, if not depression, he certainly has anger issues that need addressing. So again, another positive step.

He’s given me his passwords again after telling me that ‘he didn’t see how me checking up on him was doing me any good’. I said that any cheater that 100% wanted to make things right again, would freely hand over their privacy and understand why the ‘victim’ would need the comfort of knowing they can see what they’re up to. That resonated with him and he’s now comfortable with me having total access.

He’s agreed to answer any and all questions I have about him cheating on me, regardless of how often I bring it up.

We encountered a curveball yesterday morning though. While out with our babies, we saw the woman that he’d cheated on me with out with her husband and their daughter. I’d met this woman many times before, she’s even held both of my babies so I was of course overcome with rage and felt so sick when i saw her, as this was the first time since it had all happened.
I tried to keep it all together, but ended up crying down the frozen food aisle of our local supermarket. It was highly embarrassing to say the least, but I looked at DP and for what felt like the first time, I could see genuine guilt and remorse in his face. I’ve broken down many times about all of this, but I think me sobbing out in public really made it all seem real to him. That I am genuinely heart broken.

We’re taking as many positive steps as we can in the hopes this can be salvaged. If of course, things fall off the track again, then at least I can say that we truly tried.

OP posts:
joeytribbiani · 13/05/2018 19:26

So glad I see this update OP. So pleased he's finally sat down with you for a chat. Onwards and upwards xxx

Toasttea · 13/05/2018 19:46

You can’t live like that having that play on your mind it will drive you insane and quick frankly how can he expect you to drop it. If he’s cheated in the past he will continue to do so. I think from what I’ve read here it’s best that you leave him.

To cheat when you have 2 small children at home is vile. I’ve been through this two my exP cheated on me when I had my daughter but I will silly enoUgh to try and make it work in the end he left me for someone else and now has a baby with her. I should have left so I would advise you to do the same before it gets worse.

Whisky2014 · 13/05/2018 19:53

So to sum up: you are forgiving him. And then there will be a next time.
Fool me once...fool me twice.

SunshineandRain18 · 13/05/2018 21:04

@Whisky2014

I agree!

Mrstobe90 · 14/05/2018 00:26

I'm glad that things are moving in the right direction for you all as a family.

yogagirl22 · 14/05/2018 05:18

Well done for still keeping your dignity and holding boundaries. I think you being so strong for giving him a chance and I really hope you work it out and he stays focused. But..and I have to say this still focus on yourself and your future if it goes bad. He cant change or you decide you feel differently. Expand your hobbied focus on friends and start putting extra money away in case. If it goes well you can have a lovely family holiday if not it makes the transition of leaving easier. Write a list of all the ways life can be amazing minus him. Just in case. Please let him do his own grovelling be firm and dont show too much empathy as it was his choice to hurt you. Let him 100 percent make it right again. You worth it! 😀

Colabottle10 · 14/05/2018 07:27

You are an idiot.

What you're actually doing is teaching your boys they can shit on women and they can get away with it.

I give it a month.

SandyY2K · 14/05/2018 07:45

I hope he can genuinely change given his track record. You sound so mature in comparison to him.

While he's in the reading mood, you may want to pass this list on to him.

Not all of them are required in every situation but, you get the idea:

  1. S/He must be totally honest with you about everything
  2. S/He must answer every question that you ask truthfully and fully.
  3. S/He must do everything in his power to prove to you that you are the one that he wants to be with.
  4. S/He must prove his love to you...he must be patient, gentle, compassionate and understanding.
  5. S/He must feel your pain.
  6. S/He must fully understand the devastation that he caused you.
  7. S/He must accept full responsibility for his actions.
  8. S/He must stop all contact with OP and not try to protect them.
  9. S/He must reassure you that it is OK to ask questions.
10. S/He must reassure you that you will not drive him away by doing the things that are necessary to heal. 11. S/He must recognize when your struggling or experiencing a trigger and comfort you. 12. S/He must be able to tell you how sorry he is and show you. 13. S/He must re-enforce to you, that you are not responsible. 14. S/He must put his own feelings of guilt and shame aside and help you heal first. 15. S/He must reconnect emotionally, mentally, and physically with you and stay connected. 16. S/He must work on rebuilding trust. No secrets. No privacy. 17. S/He must be willing to seek counseling. 18. S/He must learn what is and is not acceptable when communicating with the opposite sex...he must establish boundaries and not cross them.
Juells · 14/05/2018 08:21

So sad.

I might as well be reading my own pathetic little yearnings and hopes, my conviction that my babies were so lovely and lovable that anyone would have to be a monster to risk losing them. Turns out some men just don't give a shit.

This will keep happening for another ten years, by which time you're worn out and so traumatised that you're incapable of having a relationship with anyone, no matter how nice. Then he'll meet 'the love of his life' and realise the relationship with you was a mistake, but he's mature now and prepared to change and settle down for his new love. Blah blah blah. Half the women posting on this thread could tell you similar stories, I'm guessing.

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