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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 09/05/2018 07:52

*faithful

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 07:53

@AnyFucker he's not okay with an open relationship and neither am I. It works for some people, but I personally couldn't do it.
I think because I've changed, I want to believe that he can too. I just don't know what it will take to make him change his ways.

OP posts:
Ryder63 · 09/05/2018 07:59

I just don't know what it will take to make him change his ways

Nothing will. This is who he is.

43percentburnt · 09/05/2018 08:08

I don’t think you can compare being 18/20 and cheating on a boyfriend to being 35 and cheating on the woman you have chosen to share your life and have children with.

I also agree that cheating in the past doesn’t mean you will always cheat, for most people. But I do know a few people who have cheated on every partner and are still doing so in their 50s.

I know some people could get past this however for me it would be a deal breaker. I know how I am and I couldn’t get past this.

Maybe mention the counselling once more, see if he bothers, then book your own individual counselling. Work on yourself and what you want.

At 25 don’t waste your life on him- if you can’t get past it move on. Better than worrying about his next move for the next 60 years. There’s some good people out there to spend time with!

MarthasGinYard · 09/05/2018 08:10

'I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t,'

What a cunt

AtrociousCircumstance · 09/05/2018 08:15

OP he sounds horrible. Just awful. He won’t get better. He’s a shit. That’s all.

You’re attached to him, so leaving will feel hard, but you’ll only find happiness if you leave him.

You cannot be both happy, and with him. Your choice.

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 08:21

Nothing will make him change his ways, this is what he’s always done. You could have 10 kids together and he’d still do it.

He wants you to drop the subject so he can carry on as before.

A lot of us are going to be older than you, we’ve seen what happens to women who stay. They waste the best years of their lives and you can’t get them back.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/05/2018 08:29

Read your OP again.

He doesn't give a shit about you or your children. You're a fool if you think he's going to change - he's not.

Quantumblue · 09/05/2018 08:31

He looks a classic example of being sorry he was caught, because it makes home less harmonious for him. He does not care about you or have any remorse.

CollyWombles · 09/05/2018 08:37

It's not about the kiss. The kiss is a tiny blot in a whole picture of shit OP. This man does not respect you. This man is NOT sorry for what he has done. He should be remorseful. He should be willing to answer all and every question you have for him, not shutting you down. He isn't good with emotions, tough! You are making excuses for him in regard to his refusal to talk to you about what happened.

It's not just a kiss. It's the fact that he chose to stay out late having fun with her whilst you are at home, looking after the children you have created with him.

Add in the lies and then, finally, the kiss. This man does not love you, or respect you. If you stay with him, this will happen again. If you stay with him, you are showing him the consequences of his actions is that you will be angry, sad and hurt, but forgive him anyway.

Respect yourself OP. Love yourself. It's not much of a life when you are always looking over your shoulder, wondering when he will drop another bomb on your lap and leave you picking up the pieces. You are worth so much more, as are your children.

CollyWombles · 09/05/2018 08:42

OP, just because YOU changed from your late teens, does not mean he will change. You were a teen. Testing relationships, finding your feet, working out who you are. When I was a teen, I cheated rather a lot. Met ex-h fell pregnant quickly and told myself, right, time to grow up. I will not cheat on the father of my baby. And I never did.

Your partner is 35. At that age, he is very very unlikely to change. He isn't finding his feet. He isn't testing out relationships. He is a 35 year old man that has no real remorse, no real accountability for cheating on the mother of his children.

Spudina · 09/05/2018 08:52

Your insistence that he keeps telling you how grateful he is for a second chance, and not letting him go out, are a problem. No man is going to stand for that in the long term because it's demasculating. Even one who is so clearly in the wrong. And you need those things due to his lack of remorse and the fact that you don't trust him. So that's the problem. The trust has gone it sounds unlikely that it will ever be regained. If you can't truly put it behind you, you need to move on. I also think telling the husband was a mistake. I think you are expecting to bond with the husband over this incident? i don't see that happening. Sorry.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 09:05

It wasn't about bonding with her husband, it was more about seeing if my partners story matched up with what the other woman has told her husband. I'd hoped to gain more information in order to be able to try and move on. As right now, I'm struggling to believe my partners story. I would've also liked to know how he was handling it all, and to see if he had any advice that I might find useful.

I don't need DP to constantly tell me that he's sorry and that he's grateful for the second chance (though every now and again would be nice), but I also don't feel it's okay to apologise the once when he was first caught out, expect me to never want to speak about it ever again, and want for it to all be swept under the rug and moved on from like nothing ever happened.

If he's allowed to go back out straight away, doesn't have to show remorse and appear thankful for me letting him come back home, then he has in essence, entirely gotten away with it.

OP posts:
Spudina · 09/05/2018 09:15

Sorry my post sounded snippy. I'm not at my best in the mornings. I see your points. Sorry this has happened to you. I think you deserve better. X

Helpimfalling · 09/05/2018 09:16

I also told ow partner and at first he believed me because ow phone was off that night and it all added up

A few words from the ow to her husband and he ate it up like a fucking candy bar and said I was a liar and refused to talk to me ever again and to bury his head in the sand

I get why you want to talk to him you want to find someone exactly in the same boat as I'd hoped too but thrrr dynamics may be different there ways of coping you need to find what's rite for you

To be honest you will only begin to find happiness with out him as all girls here are saying and I really hope you see that too

I'm one week in from finding out and chucking him out and beginning to see the light

OrchidInTheSun · 09/05/2018 09:23

"If he's allowed to go back out straight away, doesn't have to show remorse and appear thankful for me letting him come back home, then he has in essence, entirely gotten away with it."

He shouldn't want to go back out straight away and he should be showing remorse. He should be doing everything he can to prove to you that he made a catastrophic error of judgement and he will never, ever do that again. But he's not.

You cannot rebuild this relationship without him putting in a huge amount of work. And he's not going to do that.

He ignored your calls and texts when he was at work
He was on booty calls rather than coming home to you
He has told you that he would have carried on if he hadn't been caught
He smirked when you confronted him

He is telling you exactly the kind of man he is but you're not listening.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 10:14

At the of the day, would my life be easier without all this stress and worry at the moment? Absolutely.

But would my life be better without him in it all? I don't know.

I'm committed to trying to get through this if he is, but he's told me that to get over this, we should basically just stop talking about it. And while I do agree with that on some level, I'm not the sort of person that can just bury pain and turn a blind eye to things.

I understand that to be able to move forward, I do need to be able to let go. However that's difficult to do when I've still got the string of 'what ifs' in my head, and I'm forever wondering how long I'm going to be feeling this way.

I don't want to call it a day after only having found out about him cheating 6 weeks ago. I know that right now I'm going to be going through a whole range of emotions and I want to hold out and see if things do get better before I make any concrete decisions.

I'm not sure what I need him to do in order to make things right. Perhaps build a time machine and go back and not be a dickhead? 🤷🏻‍♀️🤦🏻‍♀️

OP posts:
AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/05/2018 10:27

Cloud

I am one who thinks your life overall would be better without him in it.

Re your comment:-
"I don't want to call it a day after only having found out about him cheating 6 weeks ago. I know that right now I'm going to be going through a whole range of emotions and I want to hold out and see if things do get better before I make any concrete decisions".

You're already are going through a whole host of emotions and he simply wants to shut you up and keep you acquiescent. How are things going to get any better seeing as he clearly does not want to accept any responsibility here for his actions and choices?. You are keeping this sinking ship afloat now for your own reasons and those are not because of the kids. Its because of you, you are still getting something from this and you are afraid of change. You are with a man who has cheated on all his partners and you are the latest in a line of these. Do not get stuck on the sunken costs fallacy because that just enables people to keep on making poor relationship decisions.

And he does not need a time machine anyway because he is already a dickhead. He acted the same with his ex partners as well. What makes you any difference to them, they probably thought they could somehow "tame" him too. They were wrong.

Huskylover1 · 09/05/2018 10:27

You seem to be ignoring the facts, that are staring you in the face.

He's cheated on every GF he's ever had.

You thought you could change him. Especially by being different to the others, by giving him children. This did not have the desired effect, as you know he's cheated on you too.

He's admitted that if you didn't find out about his cheating, that he would have stopped "eventually". Not OMG what have I done, I must stop immediately? Just "eventually", which means, not now, just whenever I'm bored with her, or move on to the next one.

Despite you knowing this, you still believe that he might change and suddenly become Mr Faithful? Why?

He said he's arrange counselling. He hasn't.

You think it was just a kiss. But he's 35, not 12....

Time to wake up my lovely.

As I see it, you can either :

a) move on (leave him)
b) accept that this is how it is. He isn't

Huskylover1 · 09/05/2018 10:28

He isn't going to change

Somekindoflove · 09/05/2018 10:53

Stop judging him on how you behave. He does not have the same morals as you

Sunshinegirl82 · 09/05/2018 11:10

I'm sorry this has happened to you OP.

It sounds as though you plan to stay with your DP at least for now. I assume you're not married? With that in mind what is your financial situation? Do you work outside the home or are you a SAHP? Is the property you live in owned or rented? In his name? Yours? Both?

If you plan to stay and work on your relationship (I'm not advising on that one way or another but it seems to be your intention at present) then I think it would be a good idea to seek advice and get your ducks in a row practically speaking so you'd know where you are if you did decide to end things further down the line.

If he is truly committed to you and your children your partner should want to make sure everything is in order too. If he doesn't I would say that's a fairly good indication of his attitude towards you.

ellsbells2 · 09/05/2018 11:36

You don't want to see him for what he is.

He has no reason to to do it again, there are no consequences. He knows you won't leave him. If he thought you would he'd probably be making more of an effort to help you work through this rather than trying to prevent you talking about it.

He's not sorry, he's sorry he got caught.

He's 35, he is not going to change. He has cheated in past relationships and has now cheated on the Mother of his children. He's sending you loud and clear messages about the man he is (or isn't).

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 11:38

I do plan to stay, yes, but there won't be a third chance, and he knows this.

I wish I could forgive and forget easily, I thought I'd be able to, but it's more challenging than I'd first realised.

I do think I simply need to see how things pan out of the course of the next few months. If I'm not seeing any true willingness to change from him and I'm still feeling low and anxious, then it obviously can't continue.

OP posts:
lastnamefirstfirstnamelast · 09/05/2018 11:46

Op,

I dont know what you are asking for from this?

I think deep down you want us toall say, yes thats fine, stay with him, he wont do it again, he will be a changed man it was JUST a kiss, nothing else. you'll get over him, your wont trust him but you will soon.....

you love him deeply, we get that but you sound very young and Naive at 25. i was your age with a 5 year old when my ex cheated on me and i kicked him straight to the kerb, yes it fucking hurt but aint no one treating me and my family like that!

Everything happens for a reason, i've now met the most amazing man and i love him more that i have loved any man.

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