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DP kissed another woman.

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CloudFollowingMeAround · 08/05/2018 14:17

Hi everyone, looking for some advice and support from those who have been cheated on and how they managed to work through things if they decided to stay with their OH’s.

I’ve been with my DP for coming up on 4 years, and around 6 weeks ago, I discovered that he had kissed a woman that he used to work with from his second job. He quit that job towards the end of last year, but he remained close with the colleagues that he worked with and went out drinking with them a few times.
However, one particular staff member messaged him a lot.

From the end of January through to March, they spoke online very frequently, it was flirty and definitely crossed the line. They made sure to only message during his working hours so that he wasn’t talking to her when he was at home with me (I also feel it’s important to note that all whilst they were messaging, he would read my messages but not bother to reply to me).

They went out drinking together several times (whilst the other colleagues were there) but on two occasions he came home late as a result of ‘enjoying being out with her too much’.

On one of the nights out in which he came home late, he’d told me he’d ‘run out of money for a taxi’ and instead chose to walk home, but half way home, realised he did actually have money, so got a taxi the rest of the way.. The pub he was drinking in was close to our house, and DP isn’t the type to jump in a taxi once he’s made the decision to walk somewhere, so I knew something was up when he fed me that bullshit lie. I told him that it sounded as though he was lying to me, and he looked me in the face, with a weird smirk, and assured me it wasn’t, I however can read him like a book, so knew that something was up.

Two days after that incident, the whole thing still wasn’t sitting right with me and it kept playing on my mind that pieces simply weren’t adding up, so I found an old phone of his that was still synced with all of his social media, and discovered that he had in fact cancelled his pre-booked taxi which would have brought him home on time to me and his two young babies (at the time, our youngest was 10 weeks old, eldest was 15 months), and instead chose to walk her home. She lives even closer to the pub than we do, so he didn’t have to walk her, but instead chose to do so instead of coming back to me. On the walk back, they kissed.
The day after they’d kissed, they were still messaging, joking and flirting, she was sending him texts saying ‘my god, I just wish we’d had longer x’ and asked to see him again (I should also mentioned that this woman is married and also has a two year old daughter) - this continued for two more days before I eventually found all of this out.

Upon discovering it, I immediately kicked DP out for two days before realising I needed to sit him down, talk it through and get all of the answers. DP mostly said that he simply ‘didn’t know why he did it’ to the majority of all of my questions. When I asked him why he didn’t wake up the following day and immediately call things off, he said he didn’t know. I asked him how long things would have carried on for had I not caught him out, and he reckoned ‘reality would have kicked in before long’. Nice.

Anyway, we agreed to remain together and try and work through it, however it’s been tough on me. I asked a few more questions a couple of weeks after finding it all out, and he, in a roundabout way, told me to just ‘drop it and move on’. I can’t do that as it’s playing on my mind, day in day out. I still don’t feel like I have all the answers I need, but he just won’t give them to me. He just wants to sweep it under the rug and pretend it never happened.

I now have good days and bad days. I mostly get by just fine, but every so often, thoughts of him passionately kissing her and agreeing to see her again completely take over and I feel awful. I find myself wondering how far things would have gone if I didn’t catch him out and it makes me feel physically sick.

We went through the hysterical bonding for a few weeks, but now that the dust has settled and things are ‘back to normal’, I’m finding it more difficult than I did at the beginning.

He’s handed over passwords to all accounts, but other than that, I can’t shake this feeling that it’s like he’s totally gotten away with this, whilst I’m left here still feeling heartbroken wondering how he could do this to me and his young children.

He’s cheated on girlfriends in the past, as far as I’m aware, he does it every time, though he’s told me that he usually cheats as a way to end the relationship, but he doesn’t want this one to end. I’ve spoken to his sister about all of this, and she isn’t convinced that he won’t do it to me again, and I just feel at a loss.

I don’t want to lose this relationship, but ultimately, I don’t know how to trust him again. I don’t know if I ever will. He’s like a different person to me now.

Anyone that has any tips on how long I can expect to feel this way for? Is it normal to experience random bouts of sadness over it that seemingly come on from nowhere?

I just don’t know where to go from here.

OP posts:
CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 12:01

I was initially looking for experiences from those who have been through something similar and chose to stay with their OH's and how they managed to get around the trust and respect aspect.

Though the thread has kind of turned in to a barrage of 'dump his ass' comments, which I guess I should've expected, though it's not entirely helpful when I wanted to hear stories from those who are trying to make it work and the toll it took on them/when things got easier.

I wouldn't say that I'm naive, I'm just a nice person who gives second chances. I'm not an idiot and there won't be a third chance. I know a lot of people can easily wipe their hands of partners who cheat on them, and prior to it happening to me, I always assumed I too would be one of those people. But in the cold light of day, it's not that simple.

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Sunshinegirl82 · 09/05/2018 12:04

Please seek advice and protect yourself as far as you can on a financial level OP. If it all works out then it doesn't matter but if it doesn't you will almost certainly be glad you did.

Also consider giving the children your surname or at least double barrelling them if you haven't already.

OrchidInTheSun · 09/05/2018 12:10

OP - the only people who make it work are those where the cheating partner takes responsibility for what happens, is deeply remorseful and makes enormous efforts to try and rebuild trust with their partner.

Your boyfriend is doing none of those things so your relationship is dead.

And I - as a woman twice your age - can absolutely guarantee that he will cheat on you again.

hellsbellsmelons · 09/05/2018 12:16

A few people have explained that they did forgive and try again.
Unfortunately, only to be cheated on and trounced on all over again.
It's just what happens in the majority of cases.

I try not to scream 'LTB' when infidelity is concerned because it's your choice if you want to try to forgive.
I truly admire people who want to try to do this.
I always say it's the far harder path to follow.
And of course it works out for some people.
But things will never be the same again.
You will never fully trust him ever again.
You won't look at him the same way ever again.
It will eat away at you and you will become resentful.
The disrespect he has shown to you and your DC will not go away.

Get counselling for yourself and if your 'D'H pulls his finger out then also do joint couselling.

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 12:31

My sil stayed for 15 years after the first time he cheated. He never changed and I don’t like sil particularly but I don’t think being cheated on constantly does you much good because every time he went out for work meetings etc she would think he was cheating, which he was. As the kids got older they knew what he was doing too.

Eventually he called time on the relationship which was a kick in the teeth, & now from what dn tells us she hooks up with men off tinder because it’s not easy to meet men later in life apparently.

Her ex cheated on his next partner. And all the other subsequent partners. The ones who were early 20’s and the ones who are early 50’s. He’s been with the current partner for about 5 or 6 years and sees other women while she puts a roof over his head and pays for expensive trips away to cheer him up. If it wasn’t for her he would be homeless. As it is he lives in a really nice house and drives her expensive cars. She suspects he cheats but stays anyway. He is the ultimate cock lodger.

So that’s what happens when you stay, they leave and have a child free life & you end up on tinder with a heavily filtered profile pic.

Spudina · 09/05/2018 12:37

Simply put, this man does not love you. He may say he loves you but his actions tell the real story. Sneaking around and cheating whilst you are sat at home with his two children (one who is only weeks old!) is not the behaviour of a loving partner. Plus the lying about it. You thought he would change. He hasn't. I'm sorry that you are getting lots of LTB responses, because I know that's not what you wanted from this thread. But you have been given some good advice on here. Albeit that it's not what you want to here. Good luck with whatever happens.

Adora10 · 09/05/2018 12:47

OP, I would say work on it if you feel it's worth it but do it outside of your current status, in other words, tell him to go, let him date you again, prove to you that he does in fact truly love you, his actions will show you this, currently he does not want to lose his status quo, his cushy lifestyle, you are permitting him to carry on in this mode; if you don't value yourself more than him then he has all the power. He may not stray again but unless he feels the loss of you, I honestly don't see anything changing for you.

When I say work on it, what I mean is you sitting back and letting him show you and prove to you that he truly does want a future with you, it's not a lot to ask for after what he has done.

StarlightSparkle · 09/05/2018 12:52

Cloud, there are lots of women on here who have been through the same thing and some have managed to rebuild their relationships. However in ALL the examples I’ve read about, the cheater was truly sorry and remorseful and jumped through hoops, counselling, answered difficult questions, etc to save the relationship. They wanted to change and not do it again.

I’ve never read about anyone whose partner cheated and wasn’t sorry, and then he never did it again and they lived happily ever after. That just doesn’t happen as the sort of person who won’t take responsibility for their actions and isn’t sorry is that same sort that will happily do it again the next time the opportunity arises.

Somekindoflove · 09/05/2018 13:02

If you are committed to stay for one last, then you have to put it behind you like he says. Keep going on and on about it and it just causes more friction. If you can’t do that, than don’t bother.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 14:50

So I actually screenshotted a few of the replies I've received on here and sent them to DP this morning so he could see how our situation looks from an outsiders perspective.

The messaged showed up that it'd been read, but as usual, no reply. 'It doesn't matter' I thought, 'he's at work, he'll reply when he gets five minutes'.

However, thanks to the new Instagram update which now shows when users have been active, I've been able to see that he's been frequently browsing Instagram all day so clearly he did have several moments when he could have got back to me, but instead chose not to.

I asked him why Instagram was more important than talking to me, and he told me 'he's fucking sick of this, IM AT WORK'. I told him that I could see when he's active on Instagram and he didn't say anything back.

I have the password to his Instagram account though, and shortly after that comment, I discovered he's logged in and changed the settings so it no longer shows when he's active and when he isn't. It's like he's asking for trouble.

It's growing increasingly more difficult to keep my cool.

If I didn't have two very young babies I'd be necking bottles of wine right now.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 15:00

He’s sick of you not shutting up about it, he’s got time to browse Instagram and change his password but not reply to you.

It’s very nice of you to want to give people second chances but they rarely deserve it.

Our younger relatives are the same & we don’t say anything because life will teach them the same lessons it taught us.

This will drain you.

Adora10 · 09/05/2018 15:05

He is one cheeky bastard, honestly OP, why even bother, I'd wait until he came home and discuss a trial separation; he thinks instagram is more important than your feelings, he sounds truly vile.

ellsbells2 · 09/05/2018 15:06

He's not interested in helping you get through this. He wants you to ignore it and behave as though everything is normal.

He doesn't care that you're struggling.

FizzyGreenWater · 09/05/2018 15:11

I'm not an idiot and there won't be a third chance.

People always come out with pronouncements like this on these threads. Always. It makes me sad. I think I commented along these lines really recently.

'Another step out of line and that's IT! - and he knows it! He's OUT!' etc. etc. It's always one more step. One more thing - and boyyyyy am I going to be mad then. He's not going to know what hit him! - etc.

Kick the can down the road.

Look - you ARE at your third chance, right now, aren't you?

It's like he's asking for trouble. It's growing increasingly more difficult to keep my cool.

This is his thrid chance. Because this is about whether he loves you, respects you, and wants to be a good, equal, faithful partner.

Every fucking thing he does, including today, shows that he is basically flicking you the Vs.

So here is the third chance. Tough talk. Ok. How about you say, fine, you're making your position crystal clear. Let's discuss separation, because you neither love nor respect me.

And yes, your baby is ten weeks? I'd be double-barrelling or changing that surname (if his, which I would bet it is) even if it meant forging his bloody signature.

MeMyShelfandIkea · 09/05/2018 15:17

Problem now OP is that he can find and read the rest of your thread where it comes across loud and clear that you'll put up with his cheating. Yes I know you've said no more chances but it's obvious from the tone and content of your posts that you want to believe him (for now at least) therefore confirmation bias will kick in and you'll pay more attention to any small indication that you've been the one to change him and he loves you. Likewise he's also said he won't cheat any more but again, it's clear to us that he will because at 35 it's who he is, a bit like if you tried to change his sense of humour or anything else inherent in him. His blase attitude to you and your children tells you all you need to know. If and when he does change it'll be with someone else, not you, because you've already shown him by your actions that you'll accept it.

I wish you luck.

TorviBrightspear · 09/05/2018 15:22

OP, he clearly doesn't give a shit about your feelings. He's expecting you to shut up and get over it.

All the people who stayed with a cheater stayed because the cheater in particular worked on regaining the trust from the partner they cheated on. They worked on it, with remorse, etc.

Your DP is doing none of that. He will do this again, and if you stay you'll have to accept this is who he is.

I think your DCs will be better off if you are not with him. They can still have a good relationship with their dad, he can co-parent separately.

And your DCs will grow up with a mum who isn't sad or miserable, wondering if DP is cheating again.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 15:22

I am properly angry now.

I'm not sure what he's trying to achieve by changing a setting so I can no longer see when he's active and dodging my messages as a result. He's given me his passwords to everything so it's a really fucking stupid move.

I'm so tired of this. I'm tired of being the one constantly doing all the fighting for 'us'. Tired of having to prod and poke him in the right direction when he's done stuff wrong.

How much can one person really put up with?

I can understand being okay with losing a partner, but are people really okay with losing their children? I honestly couldn't think of anything worse and he knows full well that if I go, they're damn well coming with me!

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Gloryificus · 09/05/2018 15:25

Op this man wants you to forget what he did
Not seek support from him to help you
Not mention it and move on
Not expect him to ever answer the whys?
He doesn't want to have to explain himself ever
And maybe when the dust settles he'll carry on his ' normal'
He'd prefer an easy life I bet you with kids at home while he goes on dates with other women.
And this is why you are feeling worse and not any better. Because deep down you know he could and will most likely do this again.

Adora10 · 09/05/2018 15:32

I am amazed at your coolness actually, well done for staying calm. 4 years OP, a short time, time enough for him to be caught cheating on you, time enough for you to see he wants you to STFU, hardly loving attributes so far.

Not sure what else to advise; I would find his attitude totally humiliating.

ellsbells2 · 09/05/2018 15:32

But he knows you won't go.

Fluffycloudland77 · 09/05/2018 15:36

Yes people are fine losing their kids.

Dhs friend Moaned about contact weekends spoiling his weekend shagathons with his new partner.

Sil ex dp forgot their youngest child's birthday and arranged a dirty weekend instead.

CloudFollowingMeAround · 09/05/2018 15:39

After what he's done today, it's showing me that he doesn't actually want me and this life.

When he gets in tonight, I'm giving him a free pass to leave. It's clear he can't be bothered to work through this, so he has the option to go and we'll have an 'amicable break up'. He'll still have full visitation rights to the babies, I'll be pleasant when I have to see him, will do my best not to trash talk him etc. If he doesn't take that, his other option is to choose to stay, but have a serious, serious attitude adjustment. He'll be on a trial period and if after 4 weeks things are still the same, communication is still minimal, still acting like nothing happened etc, then I'll be going.

I thought I could handle this. I thought I could be strong and try and work through it. But I can't.

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JiminyBillyBob · 09/05/2018 15:41

He sounds awful. The smirking would annoy me most. That’s not remorse. That’s “haha aren’t I marvellous”.
I’d be dumping him and also letting the OWs husband know exactly what’s gone on.

Adora10 · 09/05/2018 15:45

Too many chances still OP, I get it, you want it to work and him to stay but all you are doing is giving him more chances; how many???

What else does he need to do to show you he does not care; I'd be on my last legs with him now; there'd be no more chance 5 or 6 or whatever....you need to mean it though, he seems to still have all the power. It's a shame you can't be as strong and forthright as he is towards you. I hope he listens to you.

Adora10 · 09/05/2018 15:47

No offence, he does not want to leave, he would have if so; he's quite happy to keep his status quo.

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