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Feel traumatised from stepkids hell, now relationship under threat

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SaffronStrands · 03/08/2017 13:45

Hello, this is my first post after being a Mumsnet reader for a long while. This covers step children and my relationship so I hope it's ok that I post this here. I am so upset and feeling sick to my stomach every day and would like to hear others' thoughts and any advice.

I started to write this and it ended up a long message of this happened, then that, and this which would drive anyone reading it nuts. So I'll try to summarise as much as I can and leave out all the incidents and conflicts of which there have been several and are increasing in frequency.

My DP has three teenage/young men DSs, eldest at uni. DP divorced many years ago, I moved in a few months ago. DP and his ex have the DSs 50% of the time each.

From the outset DP and I wished to give them a family environment which they said they didn't have at their mum's (who remarried some years ago but the DSs say they hardly speak to her husband and argue with their mum). When I moved in, things went well, the DSs seemed welcoming and I was sensitive to moving into their space, and their family and they seemed to like me. They tended to leave a mess everywhere but when DP asked them to tidy up, they did. This stopped after a month. The only concern I had (other than their lack of respect for house rules and chores or basic tidying up after themselves) was the very dominating, almost trampling attitude of the very bright middle DS (17) who likes to impose his opinion and "how I think things should be done" on everyone.

My DP has wanted to talk to this middle DS for over a year about general life stuff, plans etc, but every time he storms out the room and avoids the conversation. This DS didn't apply to university as everyone thought it was going to do and announced he was taking a gap year, with no plans of anything to do on that gap year. My DP has now told me he hasn't been able to talk to him about anything properly for 3 years. It was a joke that the only way to get him to talk would be to lock him in a room, but my DP let it go whilst he took his A-levels, and thought when we go on holiday (last week) once the exams are over, he'd have a good chat, father to son at last about this year, life etc.

The holiday was a nightmare. All DSs didn't want to do or see anything (except one, biking), they said they wanted to just hang around the lovely rented house, and middle DS announced he didn't want to go to anything we suggested and we should leave him alone. I was sad our hopes for outings together etc. wouldn't happen, but DP seemed OK, he said every year they just like to do their own thing. So most days DP and I went out. On the couple of occasions we got them to join us to take the DS who wanted to go biking, they moaned about the duration of the journey and on being taken out at all. They left chaos in every room they touched and I seemed to spend all my time clearing up after 3 DSs who hardly spoke a word to me.

For the first few days I couldn't believe the lack of gratitude and general rudeness. DP's attempts to get them to tidy up collapsed when the middle DS announced he disagreed with the routine and refused to cooperate. It was as if they were having their holiday, we were trying to have some remnant for us, and DP and I were their slaves. Any time I asked them to tidy something up they either pretended to not hear me, ignore me or huff and puff.

The middle DS's behaviour became more and more argumentative, and this followed incidents before the holiday, at ours and at his mum's. He storms out of ours to spend time at hers, only to storm out of hers and come to ours. Small but building incidents happened over the holiday, each time with the middle DS being rude, refusing to cooperate, constantly challenging and debating (some of which is fine of course to a limit but he cannot bear to have his position questioned as part of the debate and he starts shouting and storms out!). Sometimes I just crave for him to just do something asked of him and to shut up. There was one blow up which DP believed was created as an excuse to yet again avoid any type of discussion, this middle DS told me he was putting DP on trial for the rest of the day and if DP told him off once more he was going to disappear and leave the holiday. I knew this would break DP's heart and told him, as I told the middle DS I would. Later middle DS found me when I was alone and let rip at me, DP ordered him to get out of the kitchen, and I then heard this middle DS badmouth DP and me, expletives etc to the elder DS. I realised then that he was now going to make me the cause of the issues, "DP has changed since she's been around" type of talk. DP tried to reassure me that this has been brewing for 3 years at least and that this middle DS's behaviour has been worsening long before I came along.

Next morning, middle DS was gone. He came back to our home and then to his mum's. After the initial shock, we took the other DSs out and there was actually relief in the air. The other DSs went back to their bit-more-friendly selves. Other family members came over and we had a few days of enjoyment, nobody was trampled on and there were no explosions. DP's mood lifted, we were close and loving, I wanted to cry with relief.

On the last morning as we tidied the house, the two remaining DSs didn't lift a finger to help. This time I couldn't bear to ask yet again and for it to cause an argument. The eldest stood in the kitchen on his phone as I and others hurried round him. They did absolutely nothing whilst their younger cousins helped out and were wonderful. At one point the youngest DS threw a plastic bottle over his shoulder at me as I struggled with a broken bin bag on the floor, heard it bounce on the floor and walked off. I was enraged but knew another conflict with the DSs would bring my DP to his knees. I took the bins out and cried and cried behind the shed. When I came out DP saw something was wrong, followed me, and I told him how the DSs had not done anything to help. I was aghast: instead of telling them off or asking them to help out, he was irritated by my upset. The drive back was excrutiating.

Which is where I am now. DP hardly speaks to me. The youngest DS has been with us for a few days and has probably spoken 10 words in that time. The eldest has been a bit friendlier but has been at his mum's. I have not seen the middle DS, whose return I now dread. DP's attitude towards the middle DS's behaviour to him, me, us and generally has turned from outrage and recognition of what he's been up to, and wanting him to face the consequences, to total worry that he will lose him forever if he comes down hard on him and he'll just have a chat with him instead.

I see a toxic middle DS whose disgusting behaviour seems to get no punishment or consequences. I see two other DSs heavily influenced by this middle DS, which is a shame as there are good hearts and sensitivity in there but when middle DS had his say to them they turn deeply unpleasant.

And now I have a DP who is devastated that the family atmosphere he hoped to create for his boys has not come off. In the past few days I have stood speechless as these 3 misbehaving boys have been greeted with smiles and enthusiasm and friendly texts from DP, whereas I have been treated with disdain.

I don't know what to do about the stepkids. I don't know what to do about the relationship with my DP which has been wonderful, and which I hope will continue to be but fear will now end. I have tried to talk to DP about it all, but he sighs, tells me it is recoverable, that he is going to talk to the middle DS whose only concern now seems to be not losing his middle DS to the wilderness. And if that means never speaking out about his appalling behaviour, that seems to be what DP is willing to do. I don't know what to do about my own feelings of sheer dread of the middle DS who I have to confess I can't even bring myself to say I like any more, or the two other DSs who I really thought I got on so well with, but who barely speak a word to me. The atmosphere in the house is killing me, I am exhausted and so fearful of this mess.

OP posts:
user1492287253 · 03/08/2017 13:53

move out for now.

Adora10 · 03/08/2017 13:54

God that sounds truly awful OP, I am afraid I don't see it getting better and for your own mental health I'd advise moving out and leaving your DP to it, can you not see him in your own place and have as little contact with the three brats as possible?

lifeinthecountry · 03/08/2017 13:54

You need to find some way of accepting them for who they are and lowering your expectations, or walk away. Their relationship with DP sounds complicated and probably there is a long history. Your DP is doing his best to support them and meet them 'where they are at'.

If you ask your DP to take sides, which is basically what you are doing, you will lose (as you should).

Unless you can support him in navigating his way through these years, instead of just piling more pressure on him and attacking his efforts to maintain relationships with his ds, I think you just need to leave. Sorry.

Adora10 · 03/08/2017 13:56

OP, not many of us could put up with that shit tbh.

KinkyAfro · 03/08/2017 14:17

lifeinthecountry have you even read the OP????

Alittlepotofrosie · 03/08/2017 14:22

I would leave for your own mental health. Who do these entitled bastards think they are to treat you this way? They're not even giving you basic respect and I include your partner in that as well. The fact that he didn't address it with his son after you were visibly upset is very telling. He will never put you before not upsetting his sons even when it's something important. I'm afraid this relationship doesn't really have a future because none of them see any problem with the way they've treated you.

FuckYouLinda · 03/08/2017 14:22

Maybe you should move out and in a few years reconsider living arrangements. I'd wager that their mum's home life is bad because of them too.

They sound like awful young men and it's not going to improve when their dad is pandering to their lazy and abusive behaviour.

ImperialBlether · 03/08/2017 14:23

I would get out. In fact I would've got out ages ago.

You don't have to live with them. They are awful and can't behave themselves for a minute - now why that is is open to question but it doesn't really matter. Just pack your bags and get out.

ImperialBlether · 03/08/2017 14:25

And btw in abusive situations it's very common for the picked-on person to be blamed by everyone. They're relieved it's not them and as you're the only one complaining, they think you must be the one to blame. This is what your boyfriend is doing to you.

Mrscropley · 03/08/2017 14:26

The dc have no respect for their df and even less for you.

Move out.
Continue your relationship away from his dc until they have all left home /grown up - whichever - if either- happens. .

BarbarianMum · 03/08/2017 14:26

Move out and don't even attempt to live with this guy until all 3 have left home. Keep the relationship only if it works for you on this basis.

I suspect the "homelike" atmosphere they're after means having a live in maid.

hatsoncats · 03/08/2017 14:42

Get out for the sake of your own mental health before this destroys you.
Live alone. If DP wants to continue to see you, it is as a "boyfriend" rather than a live-in partner. He should have supported you when you were reduced to misery at their behaviour.
I do not believe that either father or sons truly"sees" you or respects you.

Again - live alone, in peace and tranquillity.
Let them sort their relationship problems out, before you even attempt to build one with them again.

Is this REALLY what you wanted or expected to happen?
Don't you think you deserve more than to be their punch-bag and cleaner?

QuiteLikely5 · 03/08/2017 14:45

Three teenage boys do not want to hang around with their parents - even on holiday.

Yes a few evening meals but not much else. Were they consulted on the holiday? Surely their tastes need to be taken into account

Tidying up - I'll be honest here and say teenagers are rarely good at tidying - you can't take in three teens an not expect to tidy up after them. Children are messy as hell and it's not personal. Shoes, cups, plates, glasses etc are all left lying around. They grow out of it but if you want to be a mother figure then resisting tidying up after these teens is not the best approach.

You can't just dip in and out of parenthood there's good sides and bad. Tidying up is one of the not so great things.

It's all about picking your battles too

The middle child - sometimes parents do not enjoy their own offspring and this child likes to push a few buttons. He can only do it if you let him. Your dp in not tackling his behaviour is enabling his silly behaviour - and so it will continue

If I was you I would take a break from that home and spend a couple of weeks elsewhere to clear your head.

IdentifiesAsYoda · 03/08/2017 14:48

I also agree this is an impossible situation for you. They need to sort themselves out and you do not need to be in the midst of that.

magoria · 03/08/2017 14:49

Leave the house.

You have only been there a few months and are being treated like shit and a servant. So you think they treat their mother any better?

They are not your step children. You are their dad's girl friend who has moved in. At their ages you cannot take on a step mother role. It is not down to you to provide a family environment.

You 'D' P is not supporting you.

Move out and look after yourself. If your relationship survives reevaluate when they leave home.

FrogAndFriggit · 03/08/2017 14:50

I'd get the fuck out of there!

category12 · 03/08/2017 14:50

Move out.

Ellisandra · 03/08/2017 14:52

To be honest, and I'm sorry this is blunt, but it sounds like you had pretty crazy unrealistic expectations about creating a 'family atmosphere' with 3 boys of approx ages 15/17/19.

I speak as a soon to be stepmother of 17 and 19 year old girls! Who I think are fab, and we get on well. Still not moving in together until the 17yo goes to uni though. We decided that insta-family would be too much pressure on everyone, even though we do get on! It's a big change in dynamic to add another adult, and coming in at this age, you don't really have a parent role, IMO.

That's not to say that it doesn't all sound very difficult, and their behaviour is not your fault. But I think this was a disaster waiting to happen. Did you spend weekends there first?

I'm not sure you should stay with your boyfriend at all, after his lack of dealing with this.

But you should certainly just both acknowledge that this hasn't worked, and move out.

I think you had lovely but unrealistic intentions.

And as for the boys not having a family atmosphere at their mum's? My guess is that's a combination of whining and playing you.

It sounds like you (and it's lovely that you wanted to) wanted to create a family from what I said actually but more like a thrown together house share for different personalities but worse as there are emotions involved, and power play, and unequal parent child role dynamics.

Just move out!

IdentifiesAsYoda · 03/08/2017 14:53

I agree with magoria too

Ellisandra · 03/08/2017 14:54

I did laugh (feeling sorry for you, not unkindly) at the idea of those ages all hanging out doing activities together on a family holiday!

YY to the PP who said you are not their stepmother but their dad's girlfriend.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 03/08/2017 14:58

Older teenagers can be a nightmare anyway I think, and to step-parents especially. My DSD improved dramatically at about 21/22 when she started working full-time. There is some science that suggests that rapid brain development of the emotional processes occurs in the teens but the rational thought processes dont develop until much later, which does explain the why but bloody hell it is difficult to cope with. If I'm really honest the main thing that helped us was me spending less time with her and DH spending lots of time with DSD on their own doing Dad/daughter things, we'd only all be together for meals etc. Once a serious bf was on the scene the need for this eased-off a lot as she wouldn't misbehave/have tantrums when he was around Grin Now she has settled down herself and has a seriously responsible job and it's fine.

notaslimceagirl · 03/08/2017 14:59

Stop thinking of them as your step sons - they are not your responsibility. Let your dp sort them out.

ClemDanfango · 03/08/2017 15:05

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Pallisers · 03/08/2017 15:16

I'd move out for now too. Maybe keep the relationship going and see how things work when you partner is able to live alone.

Life with older teens can be hard for everyone - even intact families. If you don't have any parental authority but have to live with them, it can be awful. You can see where the middle child needs more guidance/structure but honestly, there is nothing you can do about it. And teens often don't want to do anything on hols - really wouldn't worry about that. And they might need to be nagged into helping out. The problem is your position in the family makes it hard for you to do that. I wouldn't allow a do-nothing gap year myself - but again, it isn't your position to deal with this.

Honestly I think you'd be better off in your own home and continue seeing their dad.

Pallisers · 03/08/2017 15:17

To be honest, and I'm sorry this is blunt, but it sounds like you had pretty crazy unrealistic expectations about creating a 'family atmosphere' with 3 boys of approx ages 15/17/19.

I agree with this completely.