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Feel traumatised from stepkids hell, now relationship under threat

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SaffronStrands · 03/08/2017 13:45

Hello, this is my first post after being a Mumsnet reader for a long while. This covers step children and my relationship so I hope it's ok that I post this here. I am so upset and feeling sick to my stomach every day and would like to hear others' thoughts and any advice.

I started to write this and it ended up a long message of this happened, then that, and this which would drive anyone reading it nuts. So I'll try to summarise as much as I can and leave out all the incidents and conflicts of which there have been several and are increasing in frequency.

My DP has three teenage/young men DSs, eldest at uni. DP divorced many years ago, I moved in a few months ago. DP and his ex have the DSs 50% of the time each.

From the outset DP and I wished to give them a family environment which they said they didn't have at their mum's (who remarried some years ago but the DSs say they hardly speak to her husband and argue with their mum). When I moved in, things went well, the DSs seemed welcoming and I was sensitive to moving into their space, and their family and they seemed to like me. They tended to leave a mess everywhere but when DP asked them to tidy up, they did. This stopped after a month. The only concern I had (other than their lack of respect for house rules and chores or basic tidying up after themselves) was the very dominating, almost trampling attitude of the very bright middle DS (17) who likes to impose his opinion and "how I think things should be done" on everyone.

My DP has wanted to talk to this middle DS for over a year about general life stuff, plans etc, but every time he storms out the room and avoids the conversation. This DS didn't apply to university as everyone thought it was going to do and announced he was taking a gap year, with no plans of anything to do on that gap year. My DP has now told me he hasn't been able to talk to him about anything properly for 3 years. It was a joke that the only way to get him to talk would be to lock him in a room, but my DP let it go whilst he took his A-levels, and thought when we go on holiday (last week) once the exams are over, he'd have a good chat, father to son at last about this year, life etc.

The holiday was a nightmare. All DSs didn't want to do or see anything (except one, biking), they said they wanted to just hang around the lovely rented house, and middle DS announced he didn't want to go to anything we suggested and we should leave him alone. I was sad our hopes for outings together etc. wouldn't happen, but DP seemed OK, he said every year they just like to do their own thing. So most days DP and I went out. On the couple of occasions we got them to join us to take the DS who wanted to go biking, they moaned about the duration of the journey and on being taken out at all. They left chaos in every room they touched and I seemed to spend all my time clearing up after 3 DSs who hardly spoke a word to me.

For the first few days I couldn't believe the lack of gratitude and general rudeness. DP's attempts to get them to tidy up collapsed when the middle DS announced he disagreed with the routine and refused to cooperate. It was as if they were having their holiday, we were trying to have some remnant for us, and DP and I were their slaves. Any time I asked them to tidy something up they either pretended to not hear me, ignore me or huff and puff.

The middle DS's behaviour became more and more argumentative, and this followed incidents before the holiday, at ours and at his mum's. He storms out of ours to spend time at hers, only to storm out of hers and come to ours. Small but building incidents happened over the holiday, each time with the middle DS being rude, refusing to cooperate, constantly challenging and debating (some of which is fine of course to a limit but he cannot bear to have his position questioned as part of the debate and he starts shouting and storms out!). Sometimes I just crave for him to just do something asked of him and to shut up. There was one blow up which DP believed was created as an excuse to yet again avoid any type of discussion, this middle DS told me he was putting DP on trial for the rest of the day and if DP told him off once more he was going to disappear and leave the holiday. I knew this would break DP's heart and told him, as I told the middle DS I would. Later middle DS found me when I was alone and let rip at me, DP ordered him to get out of the kitchen, and I then heard this middle DS badmouth DP and me, expletives etc to the elder DS. I realised then that he was now going to make me the cause of the issues, "DP has changed since she's been around" type of talk. DP tried to reassure me that this has been brewing for 3 years at least and that this middle DS's behaviour has been worsening long before I came along.

Next morning, middle DS was gone. He came back to our home and then to his mum's. After the initial shock, we took the other DSs out and there was actually relief in the air. The other DSs went back to their bit-more-friendly selves. Other family members came over and we had a few days of enjoyment, nobody was trampled on and there were no explosions. DP's mood lifted, we were close and loving, I wanted to cry with relief.

On the last morning as we tidied the house, the two remaining DSs didn't lift a finger to help. This time I couldn't bear to ask yet again and for it to cause an argument. The eldest stood in the kitchen on his phone as I and others hurried round him. They did absolutely nothing whilst their younger cousins helped out and were wonderful. At one point the youngest DS threw a plastic bottle over his shoulder at me as I struggled with a broken bin bag on the floor, heard it bounce on the floor and walked off. I was enraged but knew another conflict with the DSs would bring my DP to his knees. I took the bins out and cried and cried behind the shed. When I came out DP saw something was wrong, followed me, and I told him how the DSs had not done anything to help. I was aghast: instead of telling them off or asking them to help out, he was irritated by my upset. The drive back was excrutiating.

Which is where I am now. DP hardly speaks to me. The youngest DS has been with us for a few days and has probably spoken 10 words in that time. The eldest has been a bit friendlier but has been at his mum's. I have not seen the middle DS, whose return I now dread. DP's attitude towards the middle DS's behaviour to him, me, us and generally has turned from outrage and recognition of what he's been up to, and wanting him to face the consequences, to total worry that he will lose him forever if he comes down hard on him and he'll just have a chat with him instead.

I see a toxic middle DS whose disgusting behaviour seems to get no punishment or consequences. I see two other DSs heavily influenced by this middle DS, which is a shame as there are good hearts and sensitivity in there but when middle DS had his say to them they turn deeply unpleasant.

And now I have a DP who is devastated that the family atmosphere he hoped to create for his boys has not come off. In the past few days I have stood speechless as these 3 misbehaving boys have been greeted with smiles and enthusiasm and friendly texts from DP, whereas I have been treated with disdain.

I don't know what to do about the stepkids. I don't know what to do about the relationship with my DP which has been wonderful, and which I hope will continue to be but fear will now end. I have tried to talk to DP about it all, but he sighs, tells me it is recoverable, that he is going to talk to the middle DS whose only concern now seems to be not losing his middle DS to the wilderness. And if that means never speaking out about his appalling behaviour, that seems to be what DP is willing to do. I don't know what to do about my own feelings of sheer dread of the middle DS who I have to confess I can't even bring myself to say I like any more, or the two other DSs who I really thought I got on so well with, but who barely speak a word to me. The atmosphere in the house is killing me, I am exhausted and so fearful of this mess.

OP posts:
happypoobum · 03/08/2017 15:19

They sound like normal teenagers to me to be honest. I certainly wouldn't want to live with teenage men who weren't mine. Living with my own DS17 is fairly disgusting.

Did you really expect them to want to hang out with you and DH all the time? I agree with PP that is fairly unrealistic. Do you have DC of your own OP? You don't mention them and you seem to really be struggling here. Are you much younger than DH?

I would continue to date DP if you really love him, but fuck living with that lot.

heateallthebuns · 03/08/2017 15:21

Someone above said they were leaving moving in with dsd till youngest at uni. That sounds a wise move. Teenagers are messy and don't want to spend time with their parents.

TempusEejit · 03/08/2017 15:22

You should have left your DP to do all the tidying if he wasn't going to ask his DS's to do their share as well. You should take a leaf out of their book and let your DP run around after you too.

NinonDeLenclos · 03/08/2017 15:22

Absolutely - get out to save yourself. They can clear up their own mess.

However, I do think the holiday was very naïve. Teens do not want to spend time with their parents full stop. They need to be near beach/bars/clubs/activities - so they can walk to their own entertainment - both day and night. I would expect them to be off doing their own thing and see them for one meal a day max.

needmymouthsewnup · 03/08/2017 15:22

That does sound like hard work OP. The only thing I think you were a little unreasonable about was expecting them to want to do what you did on holiday, especially the older 2 (you don't mention how old the youngest is) - I would have been inclined to let them 'chill' and caught up with them in the evening for dinner. But the compete lack of helping would have annoyed me, especially if they want to be treated as 'adults' in respect to choosing their daytime activities.

NinonDeLenclos · 03/08/2017 15:24

Tidying up - I'll be honest here and say teenagers are rarely good at tidying - you can't take in three teens an not expect to tidy up after them. Children are messy as hell and it's not personal. Shoes, cups, plates, glasses etc are all left lying around. They grow out of it but if you want to be a mother figure then resisting tidying up after these teens is not the best approach

I will not tidy up after anyone. Children are as messy as they're allowed to be. If mothers expect to clear up after their children, then children expect it too. Parents create children's expectations.

FilledSoda · 03/08/2017 15:24

As other posters advised , move out until they have flown the coop.

Out2pasture · 03/08/2017 15:25

Teenagers who grow up in stable relationships and homes are hard work, teenagers from a broken home situation will be even harder work.
How was your partner coping prior to you, housework, rules, communication etc.

GourmetGold · 03/08/2017 15:29

You're being bullied and abused by 4 people, sounds they're making you into the scape goat for their problems and frustrations.

This is not acceptable, and it's a terrible life for you. I'd get out if I was you ASAP!!
I worked as a cleaner once for a family who let their children treat me like crap when they were home for the holidays and I quit pronto. There is NO WAY I would let a partner and his kids treat me like this!!! Flowers

mustresistwine · 03/08/2017 15:30

I agree your expectations were a bit naive in trying to create a family atmosphere!

however these young men sound horrible & I would not tolerate similar from my own DS 22 or DD 16! also your partner doesn't sound like he's dealing with them in any way & possibly resents you drawing attention to their behaviour as he would prefer to bury his head in the sand?

Either way, I would leave them to it for the sake of your sanity & have a separate relationship with dp if that's what you wish?

Ellisandra · 03/08/2017 15:32

I am imagining them posting about the holiday from their point of view, too.

They just wanted to hang around doing nothing - you said the house was lovely, you said this is what they usually do.

And instead of their usual relaxing time, Super Involved Brand New Stepmother wants everyone out doing stuff together. You realise that would be lame and annoying, coming from their actual mum? Grin

I know it came from a good place.

But you martyred yourself tidying up after them, and tbh you probably ruined their holiday as much as they ruined yours.

These four men / boys have managed to clean up holidays rentals themselves before you, you know. You made the woman's mistake of appointing yourself Guardian of Clean!

I'm interested in your line that when you first moved in they "seemed to like you". It all sounds like you didn't spend much time together before you moved in?

UrsulaPandress · 03/08/2017 15:32

I would move out if you can.

The expectations of the holiday were far to high imo. Hell our 17 year old DD doesn't come on holiday with us anymore.

Isetan · 03/08/2017 15:33

What was your relationship like with the boys before you moved in? It sounds like the dynamic (poor discipline) was established before you and

It's like you and their Dad are trying to recreate a family ideal which is odd given their ages and your partner's lax parenting.

This isn't working and your OH is being a dick (the apples haven't fallen far from the tree). It's time to walk away, it's not you, it's them and an established dysfunctional dynamic that predates you. Your OH sold you on something that was never going to be a reality, partly because you and your partner's expectations were unrealistic but mostly because of the personalities involved.

The only thing you can achieve by staying is being complicit in endangering your mh.

RandallPMcMurphy · 03/08/2017 15:36

From a males perspective, I too had endured similar behaviours from my ExP children, I wasn't looking to be a step dad as they had their own father who admittedly wasn't that bothered about them.
i really tried to fit into their household but the constant verbal abuse and in one case physical! I left the house with only the clothes on my back and subsequently had a mental breakdown and in patient care.
I know from experience it's hard to leave a relationship if you both get on and love each other but, for your own mental well being live away from there.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 03/08/2017 15:37

On the positive side they (hopefully) won't be hanging around for too many more years Flowers

ToastyFingers · 03/08/2017 15:41

What you describe seems to be normal (although not good) teenage behaviour.

Honestly, an overly invested new girlfriend and a 'family' holiday with structured activities would be most teens idea of hell.

ShatnersWig · 03/08/2017 15:42

They sound like normal teenagers to me to be honest.

I must have been an abnormal teenager then as I never behaved like this. Ever.

Slightlyperturbedowlagain · 03/08/2017 15:48

I must have been an abnormal teenager then as I never behaved like this. Ever.
Funnily enough my DSD would probably claim this too Wink

thestamp · 03/08/2017 15:52

I agree with Ellisandra.

They sound like moody dramatic teens who have a complicated history with their parents. You do sound like you're taking their behaviour REALLY personally and I think it's because you and dp have those v v unrealistic expectations of "family life" with teen boys who are already trying to work out how to exit family life and do their own thing...

I'd move out, and dramatically reset your expectations. You're not their stepmother, you're dad's gf and that's ok! You're not responsible for any of this. They are his children, you're the gf. Take a deep breath and focus on yourself.

If you want to continue the relationship I'd actually suggest counselling for you (individual, not couple). You need boundaries and a dramatic rest of what you expect from children/partner etc.

SaffronStrands · 03/08/2017 15:58

Hello,

Thank you for your posts so far - they have given me food for thought and made me laugh, so needed, so thank you.

I'll post again properly later but two quick things I'd like to clarify. On the holiday, we didn't insist or request they come out and do anything with us, and indeed they didn't (only one day accompanying the eldest DS to his requested activity). DP had tried again and again before the holiday to ask what they wanted to do, they said nothing. We purposely chose somewhere near a city for the middle DS, near activity centre for the eldest and near other stuff for the youngest, but when we got there the middle DS said he couldn't be bothered to go to the city, the terrible weather meant the eldest couldn't do his activity every day like he wanted to (and he blamed us for the weather), and the youngest just wanted to sit on the PS4 all day. When they moaned they were bored, that's when we came up with suggestions. Everything was rejected. So, it's just a point - we didn't make all these plans, I followed DP's lead that they like to do their own stuff, I was disappointed that they didn't want to accompany us to anything but accepted that (and accept some of the points on here about my unrealistic expectations - I recognise that now!), but when they moaned to us for suggestions and rejected everything, what else could we have done?

On another point, I am surprised some posters consider the DSs' behaviour on tidiness and laziness normal. Nobody I knew as a teenager would ever have behaved this way, other teenagers I know now do not behave like this, the DSs cousins didn't behave like this. It goes beyond the practical tidying up, it's the contempt and lack of respect. Having a university student standing watching me tidy up for 2 hours, as his 12 year old cousin asks "can I help?" is disgraceful.

OP posts:
QuiteUnfitBit · 03/08/2017 16:03

as his 12 year old cousin asks "can I help?"
When his cousin is 15, you might find they are not so keen to help, though. Grin

SaffronStrands · 03/08/2017 16:05

QuiteUnfitBit - I get that :-), but her 17 year old brother helped out too.

OP posts:
WandaOff · 03/08/2017 16:07

Another who thinks you may have been naive to have expectations of a jolly family holiday with three older teenage boys, let alone those with baggage.
They will never be tidy and they will never all agree on anything.

Parents of teens have had years of parenting to get used to the ups and downs and to learn what matters and how to handle drama. If you don't have children it must be like sitting your A levels in Year 6.

As another poster said it doesn't sound as though they chose the holiday? My teens are delightful but I wouldn't dream of choosing a holiday that wasn't mainly targeted at them.

IfNot · 03/08/2017 16:08

Yeah, move out. Its not going to work with you living there.
Having said that your DP sounds utterly spineless, and almost like he was deflecting their bullying onto you to save his own skin,,
Teens don't want to do a lot of family type activities (although by 19 this often changes) but they had no right to be disrespectful to you, and their environment. I wouldn't let my dc be rude and contemptuous to my partner. It's not "choosing sides" its basic decency. teenagers are not exempt from this.
Agree that you are NOT a step mum, so stop taking responsibility for these young men. I strongly suspect, though, that DP has pushed the agenda of you facilitating family life alongside him, and that's because he cant cope with his own kids on his own! Not an attractive trait..!

WhereYouLeftIt · 03/08/2017 16:09

I would move out from this deeply dysfunctional household that your DP has created. He's clearly played the Disney Dad, tried to be their friend and not their parent, and he is reaping what he has sown.

You cannot change it.

You are not responsible for it.

For the sake of your own mental health, just move out. You've only lived there a few months, and already you've been brought this low. Move out, and leave your DP to it. He made this problem, he can deal with it.