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Feel traumatised from stepkids hell, now relationship under threat

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SaffronStrands · 03/08/2017 13:45

Hello, this is my first post after being a Mumsnet reader for a long while. This covers step children and my relationship so I hope it's ok that I post this here. I am so upset and feeling sick to my stomach every day and would like to hear others' thoughts and any advice.

I started to write this and it ended up a long message of this happened, then that, and this which would drive anyone reading it nuts. So I'll try to summarise as much as I can and leave out all the incidents and conflicts of which there have been several and are increasing in frequency.

My DP has three teenage/young men DSs, eldest at uni. DP divorced many years ago, I moved in a few months ago. DP and his ex have the DSs 50% of the time each.

From the outset DP and I wished to give them a family environment which they said they didn't have at their mum's (who remarried some years ago but the DSs say they hardly speak to her husband and argue with their mum). When I moved in, things went well, the DSs seemed welcoming and I was sensitive to moving into their space, and their family and they seemed to like me. They tended to leave a mess everywhere but when DP asked them to tidy up, they did. This stopped after a month. The only concern I had (other than their lack of respect for house rules and chores or basic tidying up after themselves) was the very dominating, almost trampling attitude of the very bright middle DS (17) who likes to impose his opinion and "how I think things should be done" on everyone.

My DP has wanted to talk to this middle DS for over a year about general life stuff, plans etc, but every time he storms out the room and avoids the conversation. This DS didn't apply to university as everyone thought it was going to do and announced he was taking a gap year, with no plans of anything to do on that gap year. My DP has now told me he hasn't been able to talk to him about anything properly for 3 years. It was a joke that the only way to get him to talk would be to lock him in a room, but my DP let it go whilst he took his A-levels, and thought when we go on holiday (last week) once the exams are over, he'd have a good chat, father to son at last about this year, life etc.

The holiday was a nightmare. All DSs didn't want to do or see anything (except one, biking), they said they wanted to just hang around the lovely rented house, and middle DS announced he didn't want to go to anything we suggested and we should leave him alone. I was sad our hopes for outings together etc. wouldn't happen, but DP seemed OK, he said every year they just like to do their own thing. So most days DP and I went out. On the couple of occasions we got them to join us to take the DS who wanted to go biking, they moaned about the duration of the journey and on being taken out at all. They left chaos in every room they touched and I seemed to spend all my time clearing up after 3 DSs who hardly spoke a word to me.

For the first few days I couldn't believe the lack of gratitude and general rudeness. DP's attempts to get them to tidy up collapsed when the middle DS announced he disagreed with the routine and refused to cooperate. It was as if they were having their holiday, we were trying to have some remnant for us, and DP and I were their slaves. Any time I asked them to tidy something up they either pretended to not hear me, ignore me or huff and puff.

The middle DS's behaviour became more and more argumentative, and this followed incidents before the holiday, at ours and at his mum's. He storms out of ours to spend time at hers, only to storm out of hers and come to ours. Small but building incidents happened over the holiday, each time with the middle DS being rude, refusing to cooperate, constantly challenging and debating (some of which is fine of course to a limit but he cannot bear to have his position questioned as part of the debate and he starts shouting and storms out!). Sometimes I just crave for him to just do something asked of him and to shut up. There was one blow up which DP believed was created as an excuse to yet again avoid any type of discussion, this middle DS told me he was putting DP on trial for the rest of the day and if DP told him off once more he was going to disappear and leave the holiday. I knew this would break DP's heart and told him, as I told the middle DS I would. Later middle DS found me when I was alone and let rip at me, DP ordered him to get out of the kitchen, and I then heard this middle DS badmouth DP and me, expletives etc to the elder DS. I realised then that he was now going to make me the cause of the issues, "DP has changed since she's been around" type of talk. DP tried to reassure me that this has been brewing for 3 years at least and that this middle DS's behaviour has been worsening long before I came along.

Next morning, middle DS was gone. He came back to our home and then to his mum's. After the initial shock, we took the other DSs out and there was actually relief in the air. The other DSs went back to their bit-more-friendly selves. Other family members came over and we had a few days of enjoyment, nobody was trampled on and there were no explosions. DP's mood lifted, we were close and loving, I wanted to cry with relief.

On the last morning as we tidied the house, the two remaining DSs didn't lift a finger to help. This time I couldn't bear to ask yet again and for it to cause an argument. The eldest stood in the kitchen on his phone as I and others hurried round him. They did absolutely nothing whilst their younger cousins helped out and were wonderful. At one point the youngest DS threw a plastic bottle over his shoulder at me as I struggled with a broken bin bag on the floor, heard it bounce on the floor and walked off. I was enraged but knew another conflict with the DSs would bring my DP to his knees. I took the bins out and cried and cried behind the shed. When I came out DP saw something was wrong, followed me, and I told him how the DSs had not done anything to help. I was aghast: instead of telling them off or asking them to help out, he was irritated by my upset. The drive back was excrutiating.

Which is where I am now. DP hardly speaks to me. The youngest DS has been with us for a few days and has probably spoken 10 words in that time. The eldest has been a bit friendlier but has been at his mum's. I have not seen the middle DS, whose return I now dread. DP's attitude towards the middle DS's behaviour to him, me, us and generally has turned from outrage and recognition of what he's been up to, and wanting him to face the consequences, to total worry that he will lose him forever if he comes down hard on him and he'll just have a chat with him instead.

I see a toxic middle DS whose disgusting behaviour seems to get no punishment or consequences. I see two other DSs heavily influenced by this middle DS, which is a shame as there are good hearts and sensitivity in there but when middle DS had his say to them they turn deeply unpleasant.

And now I have a DP who is devastated that the family atmosphere he hoped to create for his boys has not come off. In the past few days I have stood speechless as these 3 misbehaving boys have been greeted with smiles and enthusiasm and friendly texts from DP, whereas I have been treated with disdain.

I don't know what to do about the stepkids. I don't know what to do about the relationship with my DP which has been wonderful, and which I hope will continue to be but fear will now end. I have tried to talk to DP about it all, but he sighs, tells me it is recoverable, that he is going to talk to the middle DS whose only concern now seems to be not losing his middle DS to the wilderness. And if that means never speaking out about his appalling behaviour, that seems to be what DP is willing to do. I don't know what to do about my own feelings of sheer dread of the middle DS who I have to confess I can't even bring myself to say I like any more, or the two other DSs who I really thought I got on so well with, but who barely speak a word to me. The atmosphere in the house is killing me, I am exhausted and so fearful of this mess.

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Adora10 · 03/08/2017 17:17

FWIW I don't think their behaviour is normal teenage stuff, they are downright rude and basically bullying you; they have no respect probably because they've been allowed to get away with it and now rule the roost, not because they are teenagers but because of shit parenting.

Minkyfluffster · 03/08/2017 17:19

I am surprised that you got them to come on holiday with you. I think that you were unrealistic about what they would want to participate in, they just wanted to lounge around.

The plastic bottle incident is the only thing that I would have gone crazy at, I would have told him to pick it up straight away.

I would have left to them their lounging and gone out for nice meals with DP on that holiday.

They are still going to grunt and moan, get your DP to set minimum standards regards tidying up, get your DP to hire a cleaner.

Regards the middle DC, its your DP's issue, you can't fix that.

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juneau · 03/08/2017 17:22

I come from a step-family and I would NEVER have got away with treating or speaking to my SM the way those boys treat/speak to you. Their behaviour is disgusting, quite frankly, to say nothing of rude, disrespectful, bratty and entitled. Their parents broke up, which is generally very traumatic for any DC, but you seem to have appeared on the scene long afterwards and have been nothing but pleasant and kind to them. That they treat you with such disdain and their DF does pretty much fuck all about that says a lot about them all.

What should you do? Move out. Yes, move out. Why would you want to stay with this spineless man who stands there while you're being treated like a skivvy and says nothing to his DC about their awful behaviour. He's a Disney dad of the worst kind - terrified to lay down the law in his own house and instil some respect and discipline. No wonder his DC are the way they are.

DonkeyOil · 03/08/2017 17:26

I am sorry for the difficult situation you find yourself in, and I feel for you, I really do. However, all the way through your post, I found myself thinking yep......, yep......, been there......, sounds familiar.......

This is what life with teenage/early 20s dc is often like! The frustration, the anger, the feeling like a slave, the explosions, the sulky holidays, the monosyllabic communication, if you're lucky! Everyone who has teenage dc is going to recognise at least some of the behaviours described in your post. Teenagers are a force of nature. You really do have to try and find ways to work with them, because you're going to have continual conflict if you decide to go 'head-to-head'.

It sounds like you hoped to be able to create an ideal family unit when you moved in, not realising that there is no such thing, even where the parents are still together. Also you can endure your own children's vile behaviour, because they're yours and you love them and they will always be the centre of your life (and you remember them when they were sweet and innocent!).

With the best will in the world - and I think you have done your best - the young men whose lives you have recently entered, are on the verge of striking out on their own. I can't see them being willing to invest much time or energy playing happy families with you and your dp, in spite of your best intentions.

All I can suggest is to try and distance yourself a bit, whether that's by moving out or simply not involving yourself so much in the dc's lives, I don't know. At the ages they are, won't they be pretty much doing their own thing most of the time? As for the domestic stuff. They only really get it once they move out and discover the harsh realities for themselves!

nachogazpacho · 03/08/2017 17:41

Move out and leave them to the domestic stuff. Enjoy your relationship without having to step parent older teens. Also, don't go on holiday with them again until they've matured.

HadronCollider · 03/08/2017 18:24

People have very low expectations of teenagers. Not all teenagers are grumpy, rude, disrespectful brats incapable of using a cloth and a dustpan and broom. Mine aren't, they know how to clean, cook, iron and even handwash their clothes. I have never tolerated being treated like a skivvy, and neither should you OP. People here saying suck it up because this behaviour is normal, no it's anti-social.

Throwing the bottle on the floor and leaving it there? I'd be ashamed if they were mine.

Frankly I think you should put on your Nikes and run, not walk away from this dysfunctional family. Don't kid yourself it'll get better when they go off to uni. They'll be many future disagreements, re girlfriends, money borrowing, and dcs needing to move back home. This man has not stood up for you and given you his support. And that pattern firmly established, will never change. You were in tears. He blamed you.

Leave. This is just a horrible family.

I feel sorry for your DP. His children have ensured he'll struggle to keep anyone in his life.

Run and don't look back.

llangennith · 03/08/2017 18:28

Hi OP. I read your post but have skimmed the rest of the thread so apologies if it's already been said.
The boys' behaviour is exactly why they don't get on with their mum and stepdad. Unlike you, she has the right (for want if a better word) to tell them off and discipline them. Not that it seems to have had any effect.
That said, teenagers can be very trying even if they're your own DC. Controlling 3 teenage boys must extremely hard!
Your DP should stop tearing his sons as little boys and realise his sons don't want to do everything their parents do on holiday. They have their own idea of a good time which is to do very little.
MOVE OUT and stay out until your DP has sorted out both himself and his sons. Better still, find yourself a nicer man.

glitterlips1 · 03/08/2017 18:32

I stopped going on holiday with my parents when I got to 16 so I can see the boys POV here slightly. Although I think they sounds very rude and disrespectful. Your DP needs to get a backbone if he can't I'd move out.

NinonDeLenclos · 03/08/2017 19:24

FWIW I don't think their behaviour is normal teenage stuff, they are downright rude and basically bullying you; they have no respect probably because they've been allowed to get away with it and now rule the roost, not because they are teenagers but because of shit parenting

Agree

Peanutbutterrules · 03/08/2017 20:13

The kids aren't the problem. Your DP is - his disdain towards you is unacceptable.

Leave.

Questioningeverything · 03/08/2017 21:27

Like feck would I stick around for the life you've got op. I'd move out, leave them to their filthy pig sty life and find a better life

Wornoutbear · 03/08/2017 21:43

These boys are louts. Walk away before you suffer any more. This family are not worth it. And the plastic bottle incident - did he really throw it at you, or were you unlucky enough to be in the way? But whichever, you really don't want to hang around with this mob

iogo · 03/08/2017 22:37

Another echoing every voice here - leave. You can't change their dynamic and you deserve better than to be treated like this.

Your DP needs to parent and his inability to do that is going to severely impact on you and your mental health.

It's only been a few months, it won't be as hard to extrapolate yourself as if it had been years. Having said that, it will be emotionally hard for you. Flowers

Timefortea99 · 03/08/2017 22:51

There is no way I would be up for this. Life is too bloody short. Your bf is spineless.

springydaffs · 03/08/2017 22:54

I feel so sorry for you op.

Have to completely agree with pp's who say move out. This is never going to come good. Your partner is a crap parent, his kids are thugs - largely due to his crap parenting, probably. He also sounds like a crap person I'm afraid.

Cricrichan · 03/08/2017 23:14

I've only got one teenager and last year I didn't recognise him. Having said that, those plboys are being pandered to. I think you should sit down with your dp and discuss a plan of action.

One - there are rules for staying in your house. If they don't follow the rules (chore chart, picking up after themselves, helping after dinner etc) then they don't get mobile phone top ups/ pocket money etc. Maybe do a financial incentive chart.

Also, speak respectfully to each other. Decide on what holiday to go on (your choice of holiday isnt very exciting for Teenager boys!) Next year. Go on one on your own with dp and another one with the boys - maybe Alton towers or beach Spanish holiday etc.

If it doesn't work then leave and let them sort themselves out. It's hard enough when they're your own children behaving not as bad as them, let alone someone else's children.

SandyY2K · 03/08/2017 23:23

Another who thinks your expectations were to high, for three teenagers.

They just see you as dad's girlfriend and you aren't and shouldn't try to be their stepmother.

They don't need a stepmother and they probably think you're cramping their style and invading their family home.

So as not to have a breakdown, you need to move out and leave them to clean up after themselves.

SandyY2K · 03/08/2017 23:28

Please tell me why you yourself haven't realised moving out or ending the relationship is in your best interests?

This isn't going to get better.

AvaCrowder2 · 03/08/2017 23:42

As the child of a step mother I would encourage them to holiday together without you. They will probably tidy up after themselves or chose hotel/serviced apartments. Then holiday with your boyfriend alone/go with your girlfriends or mum somewhere.
I respect your boyfriend more if his children have access to his house 100% despite the 50% agreement.
If you can't tolerate them in their own home, rightly or wrongly, maybe you should move out.

emilybrontescorset · 03/08/2017 23:47

I agree that you should move out.
Living with your own teenagers is bad enough never mind someone else's.
See your dp when he doesn't have the kids or make definitely plans to see him on set days without the kids.
I can't see anything else working until they have moved out or grown up.

newjobsoon · 04/08/2017 00:05

His kids are more important to him than any woman and that's how it should be.
Do you have any children? I doubt it as your expectations are too high. Why are you bothered about tidying up when no one else is? Why are you forcing your standards on them?
I think you spoilt their holiday by moaning and nagging instead of enjoying their company when it was offered.
You would make a good matron in a boarding school but have no idea about parenting and picking your battles.

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123MothergotafleA · 04/08/2017 06:54

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