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Husband using prostitutes

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shockedandshaken · 24/03/2017 12:56

Hello - I've name-changed for this for obvious reasons. This morning I found out that my husband has been using prostitutes. I've found evidence through an online account going back several years. I suspect now that this is something that he's always done. I'm shocked and feel sick - I can't even feel angry yet. I can't believe I'm writing this thread. I've read so many on here and felt desperately sorry for the posters, and now it's my turn. He won't be back from work until this evening. I'm not sure what to do. I've got a school event to get through this afternoon. I've taken as much evidence as I can find and have emailed it to myself and copied it to a couple of devices so that he can't deny anything. I'll take my DD to my Mum's before he's back. I've told a friend IRL. Trying to think of how I want the conversation to go with him but it feels so surreal. Any advice?

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hellsbellsmelons · 25/03/2017 09:46

Walking is a good thing.
It's gorgeous out so make the most of it.
You don't have to DD anything
Leave that to him but ensure he doesn't put any blame on you and make sure you are there.
He did this. He tells her.
Just get through each hour as best you can for now.
Get lots of hugs.

Ellisandra · 25/03/2017 09:50

Just keep in my that it isn't the gravity of what he's done that's hitting him.
It's the gravity of the consequence of you finding out.

Do not confuse genuine remorse for being a total ARSEHOLE with feeling sorry for himself that he's lost his cost little life.

Excusing mr projecting, but I've been there.

If my XH had been hit with the gravity of what he'd done, I wouldn't have been the middle of 3 women he'd done it to Hmm

Remember the lies that he didn't go through with it? Yeah, that's the gravity Hmm

Hmm is at him, not you by the way. He can fuck off with his crocodile tears!

shockedandshaken · 25/03/2017 10:13

Hells- hugs from DD are the best medicine and thanks so much for pointing out that it should be him to tell her.

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shockedandshaken · 25/03/2017 10:14

Elisandra- yes, it's a really important distinction to make - thank you. Of course it's the gravity of the consequences.

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SewMeARiver · 25/03/2017 14:54

I wonder if your not-so-DH would say that he does, still in fact, love you OP? I suspect he thinks he does. I suspect that in his mind it might be the fact that he loves you that has driven his choice to use prostitutes rather than have an affair where emotion is involved. I read that a lot of men compartmentalise this way. Very deluded and erroneous thinking, but I suspect that his shock and remorse is, in his mind, genuine for this reason. In his mind he never wanted to not be married to you. They were just about sex. Nothing else. Ugh! He is probably thinking about what he can say or do right now to prevent you ending it.

shockedandshaken · 26/03/2017 11:57

Thanks Sew - yes, he does say he loves me. I'm getting lots of that and how he'll do anything at all to put things right. His behaviour fits everything you've said perfectly. He has this dirty little secret that he saw as completely separate from his nice home life. It's his little problem that he now thinks he can fix and then we'll just go back to normal.

Yesterday I felt incredibly low. He eventually admitted that this has been going on since before we were married. I feel so cheated and conned. I never would have chosen to marry someone who behaved like that. Feeling stronger today after more sleep, lots of cuddles, and knowing he'll be gone this afternoon.

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Thefutureisbright2017 · 26/03/2017 13:03

My ex did just this, scores of txts, 'friends' with visiting prossies who tour. Had been at it for years before i met him. Dirty little secrets indeed. Anyway despite counselling which I organised for him, and promises of changing and never doing it again, he continued. Just got more secretive and difficult to discover. He tripped up of course and that was the end of that. Should have been as soon as i discovered the first time Hmm Be strong, you'll be fine I promise and yes tell everyone. That way there's no going back and its his issue not yours....
He will feel very sorry for himself, try to minimise, project it onto you, the kids, stress at work, a friend got him in to it blah blah but wait for it. He might stay quite so meek and sorry, prepare for the nastiness.
Flowers for you, Pm me if you want x

Ellisandra · 26/03/2017 13:21

That he now thinks he can fix.

Hmmmm.

OK, I want to apologise first that you are right in the middle of an emotional shit storm right now, and what I say might be seen as twisting the knife, making you think about what he might have done. I'm sorry - I'm not saying it tonhurt you, but because I wish my eyes had been more open when I first had my suspicions.

Mine was 'just looking, never did it' (lies) And I thought "oh he has a problem, he compartmentalises it, he doesn't want to lose me, he can change! I love him, I can support him, stand by him - that's a real marriage, right?!"

The thing is... you husband and mine had both been doing this all along. It's not something he did because you'd been together 10 years, had had a few arguments, neither of you putting the effort it, all a bit stale - then as a one off a mate egged him on drunk on a stag do in Amsterdam where it was all laid on, and seemed so far from every day life.

No. Our husbands made regular choices to fuck prostitutes at all stages of our relationships and marriages.

After I dumped him, I thought - did you do it on the night before our wedding, when we decided to be traditional and you went to stay the night apart at a local hotel? How long after our honeymoon did you do it again? And I thought - am I being dramatic?

Then... after I dumped him he got a lot more careless with technology. The evidence I'd searched for fell into my lap when he set up a new email account and had the password remember account set as one of his that we'd often shared. Yep, I was reading it because he was a lying shit that I was divorcing. I won't apologise!

As a result, I ended up with access to his adultwork account and got to see what unfolded in his next relationship.

This is what I know, bear in mind that this is a man who had already been through the consequences: divorce in progress, child involved.

What I discovered is:

  • he booked a prostitute 4 weeks into his new relationship. You know, the first flush of excitement, the bit where everything is perfect and you can't keep your hands off each other.
  • I later found out from his gf that she'd caught him out then taken him back because it was only once Confused
  • this bit is horrible: he took this gf and her child and ours on a family holiday. He fucked a prostitute the night before they left. And when he got back, he dropped her home, then dropped my child with me, and that night fucked another prostitute.

So that's his sorry story. I know they are not the same person. But I think it is a very useful illustration of just how deeply this "separate life" thing cuts.

If he wouldn't (or couldn't - I'm sure it's compulsive when you get used to it! I mean - sex, but done to you by a super experienced expert who makes zero demands on you and will do anything you want?! How easy is that to give up?) sorry... rambling... look, if he's always been doing this, he chose not to give it up when he was first blown away by you. When he proposed to you. When he married you. I now think I know the answer to "did my fiancé fuck a prostitute the night before our wedding?" Confused
If he could fuck someone else through all the best most exciting most romantic parts of your life... why is he going to stop now?

And of course, if you take him back, you have taught him that actually yes, he can get away with it.

I'm sorry to be so blunt, but using prostitutes is not a moment of head turning. It's not an affair because life not boring at home. It's a sustained decision that he can, that being with you doesn't stop that. Do not for a moment think it is as simple as him saying to himself "omg that was a close call - look what I nearly lost! - not doing that again".

MartinaMartini · 26/03/2017 13:44

^^ goodness me. Scary the scope of their depravity and how they slot it seamlessly I'm to their lives.

I'm going through the same thing. Found 3 texts to different numbers on husbands phone asking 'are you available?'

Of course he's denied anything happened and that he was just 'pissing about' whem he was smashed and now claims it was only one text so minimising as standard. Women on here have said that he sounds a regular to be asking in such a way.

You seem to have more evidence than me OP. His denials make me question myself.

It's just an awful situation. So humiliating and degrading. Sorry you're going through this.

SewMeARiver · 26/03/2017 15:59

He eventually admitted that this has been going on since before we were married.

Oh you poor thingFlowers Bloody hell what a cruel thing to do. Now everything must feel sullied. All the good times as well as the bad.

Anyway even though everything is truly horrendous right now, you've taken the first steps to happiness and a better future.Flowers

SewMeARiver · 26/03/2017 16:00

Best of luck for the future!

HelenaDove · 26/03/2017 17:57

Ellis That is horrific. Im so sorry Thanks

Ive never been through this but if it were me even a one off at a stag do is unforgivable.

Ditto strip joint. Im a zero tolerance woman.

OP you are doing brilliantly And if he is stupid enough to turn nasty or threatening call the police.

Im sure he wouldnt want everyone finding out what hes done.

FrenchLavender · 26/03/2017 17:57

Stay strong shocked [FLOWERS] and a couple of years down the line when you are doing just fine and he wants to introduce a new partner to your DD, make sure you tell the poor woman exactly why you left him and how long he had been deceiving you for.

Once he realises he can't get you back and he's got nothing to lose he will pick up where he left off and the next poor victim will have the wool pulled over her eyes.

VestalVirgin · 26/03/2017 18:38

I suspect that in his mind it might be the fact that he loves you that has driven his choice to use prostitutes rather than have an affair where emotion is involved. I read that a lot of men compartmentalise this way.

I'd rather forgive a man for an affair with a woman he genuinely liked than for seeing and using a woman as fuckable object.

I would probably not forgive an affair, either, but if a man is able to see a prostituted woman as non-human object that doesn't "count", then that says a lot about his general attitude to women, and therefore, to his wife.

Ellisandra · 26/03/2017 20:10

With respect, no men that fuck prostitutes do not do it "because they love their wives".

They do it because it's easy, very low risk of getting caught and very good - the women are experienced professional who deliver exactly what the man wants, no demands in return.

If a man loves his wife, he does not fuck prostitutes.

shockedandshaken · 27/03/2017 09:25

Morning - lots of food for thought everyone - thank you.

And Ellis that really is horrendous but it's exactly what's been running round and round my head. If he was behaving like that when we were engaged and seemingly so carefree and happy and in love then what would stop him now, when it's tougher, we have a young child, and that first-flush excitement has long gone? Ugh!

At least he's out of the house. He went very meekly and is still very much in the "I'll do anything" mode. I don't know how long it will last. He's contacted a counsellor, sent me passwords to all his accounts, and is providing copies of all his payslips and a credit check so I can see that he has no other cards. This is so I can cross-check his finances with the bookings he made. He thinks this will be proof that he didn't actually go through with any of the bookings. Right now, I don't think anything will make me believe him. The webcam stuff is bad enough and the fact that he's been secretly contacting these women and getting off on it for so long feels like too much of a betrayal anyway.

Helena the horrible irony is that I nearly called off our wedding after he didn't come home one night (utterly out of character) and he told me everyone had been to a strip club after a work's night out. I went ballistic - I detest anything like this and he knows it. There's no way he could have been under the illusion that I would think any of this is ok.

Well, today I survived the school run, which I was dreading as some people know I've kicked him out. I'm not sure how much he's told anyone. I'm booked in for my STI screen this afternoon, which I'm also dreading but I need to get it out of the way. Somehow I have to try to do some work until then.

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wickerlampshade · 27/03/2017 10:04

GP appointment is at the top of my hideous to-do list.

no real reason to see the GP if you've booked an STI screen. I'm a GP - all I'd really be able to offer you is sympathy.

MartinaMartini · 27/03/2017 10:37

Shocked - well done for getting through the school run. You'll soon have the sti test ticke off too. How are you feeling towards your husband now?

BusyHomemaker · 27/03/2017 10:47

You seem to be coping so well. You may feel like you are simply going through the motions but you are in control and setting a great example for your DD. Good luck this afternoon.

Chaotica · 27/03/2017 10:52

Flowers from me too. I'm another one who would suggest you don't fall for the fake remorse and the minimising. He's just upset he got caught.

Better luck without him. Smile

shockedandshaken · 27/03/2017 11:03

Thanks wicker - I opted for the clinic as I can be seen sooner and to be honest, it's probably easier than having to talk it through with my GP.

I'm not sure how I feel really - I think I'm still in shock. I have to keep remembering what's happened. I'm mostly quite numb but with an undercurrent of panic! Very restless but exhausted at the same time. Running on adrenaline I guess.

It's a mix of that and at my low points it feels like grieving, for the person I thought I knew, for the family life I thought we had, for all the things we talked about that we'll never do, and for all the things we'll never do again.

I feel like I've never really known my husband at all. The person I loved wouldn't have done this. I can't even get really angry yet - I've no doubt it will come though.

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SewMeARiver · 27/03/2017 11:11

Flowers Hope the clinic goes well OP. Can I just say you are amazing. I would be a crying mess curled up on the floor. How you are getting any work done is beyond me. I think you're amazing. What a great woman your dh has lost!

shockedandshaken · 27/03/2017 11:25

Sew oh I've done some crying on the floor! And work hasn't been terribly productive so far... I'm self-employed though, so needs must - no work, no pay, and god knows I'm going to need every penny!

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Adora10 · 27/03/2017 12:10

You are amazing; he's just a sad sleazy cheat.

Please don't fall for the sorry's, this is who he is, I doubt he'll ever stop; he's been doing probably most of his adult life, dirty little git.

I hope you carry on gaining strength and kick his arse to the kerb permanently.

shockedandshaken · 27/03/2017 17:23

Well tests all done - so at least that's out of the way. I have to wait a week for the results though. The nurse thought it all sounded low risk so fingers crossed I'll be ok. Not the most pleasant way to spend an afternoon!

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