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I shouldn't marry him should I?

224 replies

Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 08:13

Yesterday dp and I had an argument.

It culminated in him upending our coffee table (well actually MY coffee table that he knows I really love) throwing it across the room and breaking the leg off it.

His temper is getting worse. We can't argue now without him hitting doors, banging things or getting up in my face. I've told him it needs to stop, but now he's broken my only nice bit of furniture.

I feel like it's my fault because I went through a stage of getting up in his face if we argued. I stopped though because I know it's wrong. He's just carried on.

We're getting married in August. How can I marry someone who's temper is escalating all the time?

He says he wants to marry me, loves me, he's really sorry for breaking table and knows it's wrong. He says he feels disconnected from things though and can't think straight?

I don't know what the fuck to do. He works longer hours than me, which I know is shit and he doesn't like his job. However I do 90% of housework, nearly all our life admin and most of the cooking.

He says it's not my fault, but I feel like it is. I feel like I need to ask him to leave, but it's so hard. None of my friends would believe this is happening. He's the sweetest person you could ever meet. I am in total disbelief that our relationship has ended up here.

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Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 09:40

My future wil most likely bring more of the same Dozer

Or rather it won't because I will give up on relationships now.

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Happyinthehills · 18/03/2017 09:43

Maybe different ADs?
Maybe a different counsellor?
Maybe talk about you?
So you would need IVF anyhow - so do it on your own. Seriously lone parenting would be better than parenting with him.

eddielizzard · 18/03/2017 09:45

you're sinking into a massive self pity fest.

i don't think you've failed if you end this relationship. i'll think 'here's a woman who has the self esteem and confidence to draw a line between what's acceptable and what's not.'

no-one can tell you you'll meet an amazing man and live happily ever after. just as you can't say you'll never meet anyone, you're a failure and you'll sink back into depression and loneliness. both are nonsense and you know it.

best thing you can do is kick this arse out, go back to your therapist, and start thinking that you just being you is enough, you don't have to bend over backwards for others to prove your worth.

but most importantly: stop fucking caring about what others think of you

Greaterexpectations · 18/03/2017 09:46

OP you are not stupid! These men don't arrive with abusive stamped across their foreheads. They are manipulative and conceal their true selves until they think they've got you where they want you.

You are obviously a very kind, caring and trusting person and he's taken full advantage of that. I agree totally with everything EverythingEverywhere1234 said. Please don't blame yourself for this. You've recognised his behaviour for what it is. You should be proud of yourself for that. Many women would not have realised until much much further down the line. You're not the one in the wrong here.

Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 09:47

I'm going to try and reaccess counselling.

I'm not on my ADs as we were ttc. Obviously we can't anyway though, so that's pointlessSad

I don't think I want to be a lone parent. I want a real family. I'd have to think about it though.

I wanted DPs baby. That's never going to happen now though.

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GallivantingWildebeest · 18/03/2017 09:48

Throwing a table across a room?? Wow.

Op, you've had great advice on here. There are so many issues with this relationship I think you'd be mad to marry him. You organise his life for him, apply for jobs for him - no way.

Luckily the flat is yours. Good luck.

Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 09:49

Sorry for the self pity eddielizard

I guess I should be more positive while my whole life collapses around me.

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Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 09:51

And I know I'll sink back into depression because I've had it my entire life. I am tired of my life being unhappy. I am tired of my life.

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Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 09:52

Thank you GallavantingWildebeest Flowers

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Hermonie2016 · 18/03/2017 09:53

This should be a deal breaker.If he wants to have a healthy relationship with you them he needs to work on his issues.

Abuse does escalate once a partner believes your tolerance levels are getting higher.It may nor be conscious just the awareness that broken furniture is "ok" so his anger next time will be more destructive.

He's not handling his emotions which is a serious issue as babies cause tiredness and stress.He just won't be able to handle it and you and any children will be at risk.

For his own sake he should seek help.If he refuses to you know the issue will always be there.Once married you will not have as much control on him leaving your flat.

AtrociousCircumstance · 18/03/2017 09:56

It will feel fucking horrible and it's a painful choice - not going to diminish that. But the alternative is far far worse. You will be making the right decision to safeguard yourself, because your needs matter. You matter. Remove yourself from this toxic relationship and focus on as much self healing as possible.

Flowers
InvisibleKittenAttack · 18/03/2017 09:58

It's a bad attitude to think that because you acknowledge that your relationship doesn't work for you then you're "failing" at it. Woman who end up having good relationships didn't consider getting rid of a crap one earlier as "failing" but rather to stay in a crap relationship would be failing.

Acknowledging you are better than this, this man is not good enough for you to build your life around, that's not failing. That's a very positive thing.

Kr1stina · 18/03/2017 09:59

I'm sorry, it's just awful for you to have to cancel the wedding you are so looking forward to. And to end a relationship that's been so important to you. And to face the terrible grief that you might not be able to have children.

No one posting on this thread thinks that these things will be easy for you. These things are terrible and frightening .

But we all know that it will be WORSE for you married to a violent, abusive, lazy and manipulative man.

cheeseandpineapple · 18/03/2017 10:00

OP it's probably feeling very black and white at the moment -marry and put up or end the relationship.

Cancelling the wedding is the first step towards you both sorting your shit out or at least exploring if that's possible. If he's serious about sorting himself out then he needs to move out and take the steps to go through counselling and find another job.

As a partner you can support him though that process but you shouldn't be carrying him through it. He has the problem and he needs to prove that he's able to do something about it and commit to the process.

But as a first step please do cancel the wedding and regard it as you taking control and exercising a choice. And then take it from there step by step, whatever the outcome.

HappyAxolotl · 18/03/2017 10:02

Funny how these angry people with a 1001 excuses for their rages never lose it and flip their desk at their boss, punch a policeman or try and glass the pub hardman isn't it? No, it's always the ones who are powerless to fight back physically or otherwise and who they don't have any respect for. Strange that. Oh and they don't seem to smash up their own precious belongings either.

Speaking as someone who has experienced dissociation during depressive episodes (diagnosed and treated by a doctor) I couldn't do much but lie around feeling weepy. Never mind breaking someone else's furniture. I could barely break wind.

Look I know it feels totally shit when a relationship ends. But getting rid of this wrongun (please do otherwise soon you will be that table) clears the way for you to work on you. Counselling will help, go do it. And clears the way for the right one to land - once you are whole and happy and ready to receive.

Flowers Fix the table if you can and set about fixing you. Best of luck.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 18/03/2017 10:05

tryhard,

re your comment:-

"I was literally almost insane with loneliness and unhappiness when we got together. I'd nearly been broken by a previous relationship.

I thought I had no future. Our relationship has given me a future and I finally thought I could finally have the things other people have.

I'll make him leave because I know I have too, but I'm not entertaining any ideas of how I'll be better afterwards etc because it's all bollocks. I've struggled my entire life with depression, anxiety, self harm".

What are the roots of the depression, anxiety and self harm. I think you need to start thinking about when and where this all really started and pound to a penny this started in your own childhood.

I think you need to also consider what you learnt about relationships when growing up; what sort of an example did your own parents show you?.

You were targeted (I use that word deliberately) by this man because you were emotionally vulnerable and he could sense that a mile off. He saw something in you he can and indeed has exploited. Ex bfs likely treated you the same or similarly.

I also see that you are a very caring person and that without surprise your work involves helping vulnerable people. Also known as “Fixers” or “White Knights,” they come from diverse backgrounds, but they all have the desire or need to save others. These well-meaning people generally pursue careers in the helping professions, such as doctors, nurses, psychologists, teachers, or social workers.

You were taught from a young age to become co-dependent and a rescuer to others and I would think one or both of your parents taught you these characteristics.

You are playing the role of Rescuer if you:

Often help others without them asking you.
Don’t take the time to find out how you can help others, but instead help them in the way you believe they need helping.
Hope your rescuing actions will get others to admire you.
Struggle to focus on or complete your own work because you are too drained from running errands for others.
Don’t ask others for feedback when helping them.
Hate it when people reject your assistance and feel ecstatic when they accept it.
Feel totally powerless and worthless when you cannot help someone.
Cannot tolerate conflict and jump in to try and make matters right for others.
Help others primarily because it feels like the best way for you to gain positive attention.

Love your own self for a change. It is all too clear to me that you do not. Its not your fault he is abusive, it really is not. That is why I asked you about his own family of origin (and your response was very telling).

You can unlearn all the crap and dysfunction you have absorbed along the way but it will take a lot of work to do so. You can do this and you should do that for your own self.

BACP are very good and do not charge the earth; they should be able to fit in around your work patterns too.

Fontella · 18/03/2017 10:05

FFS, here comes the 'depressed' brigade. This person is violent, escalating it and blaming you for it! LISTEN TO THIS! There is NO excuse for that.

Exactly expat - always some excuse or justification - he's under pressure, he needs support, disassociation ... blah blah. Absolutely bollocks.

As Happy says:

Funny how these angry people with a 1001 excuses for their rages never lose it and flip their desk at their boss, punch a policeman or try and glass the pub hardman isn't it?

EweAreHere · 18/03/2017 10:07

I'm so sorry, OP. But you're right. You do have to end this relationship. Now. Before you get hurt. Before you bring a child into the world with this man. This man who is getting more and more violent, who can't control himself, and who will hurt you eventually. It's clearly escalating. You don't want to add children to that volatile mix. It won't be the family you were hoping for.

I hope you can find someone IRL to talk to again. If your mum isn't supportive, don't talk to her about it. Talk to people who are supportive.

You deserve better. You do.

Good luck and take care of yourself.

user1471545174 · 18/03/2017 10:13

eddielizzard is right, OP.

Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 10:14

Attilla I'm already aware through the counselling I've had that my issues totally have their roots in my childhood. I've gone over my childhood until I am blue in the face to be honest.

I don't think dp "targeted" me, rather that we were two broken people who found each other. I thought we could heal each other, but instead I've found myself in a rescuer role and now he seems unable to take the pressure. There's been a lot of it in the last year with fertility issues and a wedding on top of that.

Having said that I'm not breaking his bass guitar in a fit of anger.

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Parker231 · 18/03/2017 10:15

No level of violence is acceptable to me. He either behaves as a human being or he's out!

Tryhardfailbetter · 18/03/2017 10:16

I'm too embarrassed to talk to my friends. They are so excited that I'm finally getting married. It's too humiliating to admit that this is happening.

I'll speak to dm later. I might consider confiding in one of my friends if she isn't supportive.

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secretskillrelationships · 18/03/2017 10:17

Have a look at some of the stuff on complex PTSD, Pete Walker is excellent. The information on fawning and the need to be useful in order to survive might well resonate. He talks about flashbacks and how to manage them. I found his book revelatory and different to anything else I'd come across before.

TheNaze73 · 18/03/2017 10:19

It sounds like you spark the worst in each other. Don't do it

secretskillrelationships · 18/03/2017 10:20

Don't talk to your mother, I can almost guarantee that she is the major source of the stories you believe about yourself which, in turn, have resulted in you accepting huge imbalances in your relationships. She'll reinforce your negative self talk. What would you say to a friend in general same position? How likely is it that your mum will do that for you?