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So fed up of dh's attitude to money

242 replies

MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 03/08/2016 23:19

Had a lovely day out with the dds today. A real treat, out with friends, nice lunch, trip to the theatre. A lovely day. Came home and told dh all about it and how it was a bit of an extravagant treat and could he top the joint account up for the school holidays and he went up the wall.

Apparently I spend too much. Like I do that sort of thing every day. Then he started bringing other stuff into the row, stuff I'd already paid for with my own money. He's far better off than me and they're not just my children so why are they my financial responsibility when they're off school? He is the breadwinner and pays all the bills, I'm a sahm but I earn a little bit, enough to contribute here and there.

He's a high earner and we don't have any money worries. Well apart from the usual cost of living. He's just had a massive overtime pay cheque. He's not hard up. He says I spend too much - I don't - it's the bloody school holidays and the occasional trip out is nice.

So fed up of the continuous control over the purse strings. Apparently he's 'had to tell me' to reign it in. I've told him he's a miserable fucker who sucks the joy out of life and to fuck off. Why the fuck is it up to him? He's so like his father. He was a tight git too.

How can I move forward? We've just had a massive row. We hardly ever row. Whenever we do though it's about money. We never go out, we don't smoke or drink, we don't drive flash cars, we never go abroad. I buy a bit of pottery because it makes me fucking happy. More so than he does, just lately.

I can't give him too hard a time, I know he's very worried about his dad who's not well but Christ, if I get one more patronising lecture about money I might actually divorce him. I'd be better off if I did, I'd get half the house, the money and the pension!

OP posts:
MsAdorabelleDearheartVonLipwig · 04/08/2016 23:34

I meant I don't know if the child benefit was even in my name, it just went straight into the joint account.

If he was lying about the tax he's paid on the CB then he's in big trouble.

OP posts:
Cabrinha · 04/08/2016 23:51

If he said he paid more tax than you would have received in CB then yes, he's lying.

Cabrinha · 04/08/2016 23:53

CB application forms are often in the 'Bounty Pack' from the hospital.

You need to call them to find out, because if he claimed not you, then you are potentially missing a lot of NI qualifying years Sad

Inthepalemoonlight · 05/08/2016 00:27

Your detailed post changes things. I think most people would agree this is not on. It explains why you are angry. I wouldn't want to be a sahp with someone with this attitude.

HeartsTrumpDiamonds · 05/08/2016 15:08

I have a feeling that this is going to be the tip of the iceberg. Sad

If DH is being crafty about the CB and "confusing" you by "explaining" it I wonder what else he is hiding from you. Controlling arse, if you ask me.

CB is easy to explain and understand. And if he was paying tax on it, he is earning more than £60k.

Badders123 · 05/08/2016 15:12

If he is getting CB he is earning over £60k
Why isn't it in your name!?
He sounds awful Sad

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/08/2016 15:31

Ms Adorabelle,

Knew you were and are being controlled financially.

Your further comments unfortunately do not surprise me in the least. I could see from your initial posting that you were being controlled by him financially in such a manner. Financial abuse is indeed insidious in its onset; this is why it is not readily picked up by the person on the receiving end of such control.

Re your comment:-

"His earnings go into his account first and he transfers some into a joint account. What he does with the rest of his money I have no idea, it's clear that it's none of my business. I've asked him where it goes but he doesn't tell me.

We learn from our parents first and foremost about relationships; the same applies to money. His behaviour re money is a red flag, he is using his greater power and control in this area to further control you. His secrecy is also a red flag.

"He will regularly make big purchases without telling me. We currently have a £500 water softener languishing in the garage that he's had for months and hasn't bothered to fit. Apparently he needs a second bike, despite never riding the one he's got".

Again all pretty much par for the course from a person who is financially abusive in nature. Its alright for him to buy such stuff, it you had bought this there would be hell to pay. Can you not yourself see the double standards he metes out to you here?

"I bank online and can tell you what's in the joint account down to the last penny. I know how much all the direct debits are for and arranged them all to go out on the first of the month so I know what's left. I probably know it better than he does. I think he assumes he has enough to cover everything. I had a budget in mind but got a bit carried away".

Am certain as well that you do (and actually have to) account for every penny. He probably asks you as well. Your behaviour here is characteristic of someone who is being financially abused, this is precisely how people on the receiving end of being financially abused behave.

"We don't get child benefit. It was costing too much in tax so we stopped it".

What the others have explained re this point, do act on their counsel.

"I'm allowed to keep what I earn. It's a pittance compared to his earnings. I usually spend it on the kids. Possibly a small bit of pottery for me. So when I'd overspent I asked him to help out".

How "nice"of him to allow you to keep what you earn. These are all red flags re his behaviours; it is financial abuse. You put the children's needs above your needs as well; that often happens to women who are financially abused.

He indeed learnt this from his own controlling parents; their behaviours as well towards each other was geared to having power and control. Its the same with your H. Your children are being affected by this as well, you cannot fully protect them from his financial abuse of you. I also wonder if he is abusive towards you in other ways as well, verbal abusing towards their spouse is quite common with such inadequate men.

Re your comment:-
"I've tried. I can't make him understand that it's not fair. At least he does put a lot into the joint account and we don't struggle for anything. I don't think he means to come across as controlling, that's just how his parents were. If you'd met his dad you'd sympathise. I can remember when dh and dbil were teenagers, their mum would buy them deodorant etc out of the weekly shop and they'd have to pay her. The exact amount. They were ruthless down to the penny, that lot. A hoarding, what's mine is mine mentality"

He will not change, you can only change how you react to him. His grip on wanting power and control over money will not alter, infact it may further get stronger now. He learnt a lot of damaging lessons from his own controlling parents who were themselves abusive towards their now adult children. Your H has in turn become financially abusive himself towards you. History does have a nasty habit of repeating itself.

I would seriously consider having a chat with Womens Aid on 0808 2000 247 about all this now.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/08/2016 15:35

Whose idea was it to live in "the sticks"? His mainly?.

It could be argued that if that was his idea overall it was another way of further trying to control and or isolate you from the wider world.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/08/2016 15:40

Do NOT ever do joint counselling with this individual; he will tie you and the counsellor up in emotional knots and make it all out to be your fault. Joint counselling is never recommended when there is abuse of ANY type within the relationship.

Counselling for you alone is recommended, you need to be able to talk in a calm and safe environment without him around.

He is basically a carbon copy of how his parents were; that is what he learnt from them. He is never going to agree to being more transparent with the finances; you've already seen all too clearly how closed he is with this.

You have a choice re this man MsAdorabelle, your children do not. Your children are in turn being affected and learn from what is happening within your home.

ahsan · 05/08/2016 16:55

I agree with redhat number 1
The way she approached her hubby first telling him about her wonderful day only to ask can you top up my account please? To me I'd fume as I'd feel that she was taking the piss out of me because one, I wasn't invited and two she felt she could use all the money I worked hard for to go out and enjoy herself without even giving a shit how hard I had to work for it. Plus her having the free time while I was in a hard job.

Two
Her hubby may feel that it's about time she got a proper job now that her kids were in full time education so that they could share the responsibility therefore making her more independent.

ahsan · 05/08/2016 17:00

Think it's not abuse Confused think some posters are nuts for suggesting it. Think we would all be in debt if we had women spending on lovely trips every weekend. 150 there 120 there. Just had a lovely trip with him with him spending 150 why didn't you wait alittle longer then a week to fund another Confused

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/08/2016 17:07

ahsan,

How did you arrive at such a conclusion?.

Have you actually read OPs most recent post?.

uhoh1973 · 05/08/2016 17:15

I have had to cancel CB payments as I was earning over £60k and it was a farce. Some years I earn £100k. I would raise an eyebrow if DH spent £120 on a day out.
Try to sit down and talk to him to agree a budget so it's all more transparent.

Blu · 05/08/2016 17:19

'Proper job'?
Well, if he thinks she should get a job, and if she agrees, her H needs to address the question as to how he will cover his half of the holiday, before and after school, and sickness childcare.
That would make her more independent, too.

DragonsEggsAreAllMine · 05/08/2016 17:22

Blu, they could pay people like most have to. Deciding to not work or do a tiny bit as you have no free childcare from grandparents when there is a wealth of options out there is daft.

Perhaps the DH is sick of being the only person providing. The OP doesnt seem to have any intentions to help out with the bills etc yet expects money whenever it's asked for.

Graceflorrick · 05/08/2016 17:24

50K isn't a high family income though, OP. Perhaps you need to ask your DH why he was so upset, is the money situation tighter than you realise?

LilacInn · 05/08/2016 17:59

Agree with DragonsEggs. Many families manage with two full-time workers esp once the kids are in school.

Or, there is the option of looking for night shift or weekend work. It might not be glamorous - supermarket stocking, care homes, etc. - but it would bring in more of an income during hours the husband could tend to the children. And take some of the breadwinning burden off him. Perhaps he would like to reduce his overtime, for example.

Blu · 05/08/2016 18:38

Yes, Dragons, I know they could.
I am just pointing out that ANY solution and way forwards will require equal teamwork , ownership and trust. Including taking responsibility for childcare. Childcare does not magic itself out of thin air and both working parents need to know that covering sick days, when a child cannot go to nursery, minder or play scheme is an equal and shared responsibility. The DH does not seem to view any family resource in this way.

Anyway, We don't know that the DH (or the OP) in the OP is in favour of this, and you are speculating on his feelings.

Blu · 05/08/2016 18:41

And two full time jobs does not solve the issue of secrecy and communication around who is 'allowed' what.

The amount of money does not seem to be an issue in this family. The OP says they live well and comfortably. The DH spends big amounts going out and on uneccessry domestic appliances (without consulting his wife). HOW money is managed and viewed is the problem, not how much.

PridePrejudiceZombies · 05/08/2016 20:31

OP and family live in the sticks dragoneggs, so I'd be wary of assuming there are a multitude of options out there when it comes to childcare.

sealmane · 05/08/2016 21:39

Agree with Atilla and others. I think alot of the posts sound bizarre, jealous and unpleasant to be honest, but MN does get like that sometimes Angry.

I feel for the OP. When DH kicked off about extra spending money on day out without his "permission" did he miss out the bit where he forgets to ask for "permission" to spend £500 on a stupid water filter that has not been used, or permission for a second bike he doesn't need, or indeed anything at all Hmm.

No specific advice for Adoreabella. But agree with others all the hiding and probable lying doesn't sound good.

gandalf456 · 05/08/2016 23:08

Op, if you didn't have children you would be working full time. The reason why you are not is because you do have children. His children

My dh can be like this. He'd never admit it but he resents me being at home. I do work around 20-30 hrs per week but it's shifts so it seems less than it is. I earn a third of his income but pretty much cover the kids' stuff when I'm there and he does when I work. He still moans about what I spend though. Hr probably would not if i did 40+hrs like him and earned a Hal decent salary but I can't do that while I have holidays and after school to cover. The whole reason he CAN do full time I because I am holding the fort at home. Aprt from my financial contribution, that's the rest of it. If he wanted ALl the contribution to be financial the choice is no kids or extortionate childcare costs and they still do cost a lot when at school!

HelenaDove · 06/08/2016 00:11

Lilac Care homes are usually full night shifts. This doesnt sound like the sort of DH who would look after his own DC at night AND then some of the day so the OP can then sleep And thats if he hasnt got to go to work himself.

When i worked nights years ago i worked with a woman in this kind of position.

She worked 10 hour night shifts but then had to be awake during the day for a toddler.

She started taking drugs to cope with it and became addicted.

gandalf i remember your previous thread, Is he still being a dick about your weight as well?

clerquin · 06/08/2016 00:50

You need a frank discussion about family finances. It doesn't sound as if the joint account has sufficient funds to cover the inevitable increased summer expenditure of the school holidays. It's not unreasonable to have an open chat about your joint incoming and outgoings and a budget for entertaining the kids during the summer. You need to agree on what you can afford as a family and what your priorities are.

We have a household income over twice yours and my self imposed 'entertaining' the kids at home budget is around £50 pw. I have always managed the household finances from the day we moved in together post graduation, pre DC. I control EVERYTHING bar DH's work pensions which I have online access to. I also manage our savings and investments on top of administrating the bills. We have discussions over major expenditure which in reality is anything over £150.This may seem ridiculous in light of the fact that we do have a significant amount of disposable monthly income but it has not always been so. I am hugely more prudent than DH so it's just as well that I handle all the finances. In the past, we used to have a family meal out every weekend and easily spent £70/£80 a go. Excluding the school holidays, we've cut it right down to overpay the mortgage instead. We're in our mid/late forties and have technically paid off our mortgage earlier on this year. This has freed up a substantial amount of income that I have relaxed my natural tendency to save and have planned and booked a holiday to Florida in a fortnight.There are rewards for the thrifty!Grin.

Seriously, it pays to be totally on top of your household finances - any secrecy or lack of openness will only lead to more resentment on your part.

peggyundercrackers · 06/08/2016 00:54

The suggestions of financial abuse are ludicrous. 50k isn't a lot of money for a family of 4. No matter that OP thinks they can afford it the truth is she doesn't know if they can afford it because she doesn't know what's in the bank.

I think I'd be a little pissed off that I was working all hours God sends to earn overtime but then someone else took the attitude that because I've earned more they can spend more - the words off and fuck come to mind, especially when there is no conversation about it.

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