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Muslim husband and mild DV

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iniquity · 10/07/2016 14:01

Hello everyone,
I am looking for some advice, perhaps more constructive than LTB.
We have been married 10 years with two DC. Over that time he has hit me about 5 times over the head. Nothing too serious but it was scary at the time. The latest incident happened yesterday because I told him to shut up when he was criticising my driving. When we got home he pulled me around by my hair and hit my head. We haven't spoken since.
In Islam women are meant to respect their husbands and they can legitimatly hit a women if she is disobedient. I don't want to end the marriage, I'm a year away from completing a nursing course and I need his help. I don't want to be a single mum to two and no job.
Any advice, we are normally reasonably happy. I get very stressed when driving, thats why I told him to shut up.

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iniquity · 10/07/2016 14:21

He does smack the children, but not hard. They are both boys which I'm happy about.

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RememberToSmile1980 · 10/07/2016 14:22

I'm sorry but the above comment is odd. You are happy that you have two boys? What if they were girls and he smacked them?

StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2016 14:22

Oh ffs. He's an animal.
your dses will grow up leaning that you hit your wife. Is that ok with you?

Thisisnow16 · 10/07/2016 14:22

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iniquity · 10/07/2016 14:23

What I need is a way of controlling his temper so I can finish my course.

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meowli · 10/07/2016 14:23

If you don't want to LTB, then you need to get him to work on his issues. That's going to be an uphill struggle for a start, as he doesn't seem to think he has any issues. Is he a practising Muslim? I'm fairly sure that Islam doesn't condone DV, in the same way it doesn't condone terrorism, but religion can be used to justify many awful things.

this is an interesting article. Is there someone in your local Muslim community you could approach?

StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2016 14:24

There is nothing you can do to control him. He'll do what he wants. You can either stay and subject yourself and your children to his abuse or you can remove them. Don't think that you have any other options

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/07/2016 14:24

iniquity,

People in violent relationships are often very afraid to leave the violent partner for all sorts of reasons. If you can break down exactly the reasons why you are so afraid to leave him then you could get help in overcoming those fears.

re your comment:-
"In Islam women are meant to respect their husbands and they can legitimatly hit a women if she is disobedient".

No that is just plain wrong but if you still want to bring religion into it I will quote you the following:-

"The position of Islam on the kind treatment of women is very clear as mentioned in the Quran and exemplified through the life and character of the Prophet Muhammad.

“The nobler among you in the sight of God is the more righteous among you.” (Quran, 49:13)

It is narrated that the Prophet Muhammad said, “The most perfect of believers in belief is the best of them in character. The best of you are those who are the best to their women. And in another tradition, “The best among you are those who are kindest to their wives.”

The Prophet also taught that a husband’s treatment of his wife reflects a Muslim’s good character, which in turn is a reflection of his faith. The character of the Prophet Muhammad exemplified how one should be good to his wife. He should smile, not hurt her emotionally or physically, remove anything that will harm her, treat her gently, and be patient with her. God instructs men to be nice to their wives and to treat them well to the best of their ability. A devout Muslim should always remember that pleasing his wife is part of faith and earns the pleasure of God, whilst dealing with her unjustly will earn God’s anger".

The only acceptable level of abuse within the relationship is NONE; that is correct, NONE. He shattered this marriage contract the first time he hit you.

Re your comment:-
"I don't want to end the marriage, I'm a year away from completing a nursing course and I need his help. I don't want to be a single mum to two and no job"

You do not need him and his so called help and your reasons for staying are not good enough. You are currently showing your children that being abused at his hands is acceptable to you, they heard this in your home even if they did not see it directly. They certainly saw him attacking you in the car. You have become conditioned to his violence of you, that is why you are writing such things. Domestic violence is never mild and is never acceptable, it is about power and control and that is what your so called H wants over you. You (and in turn your children) mean nothing to him. He just wants to act like the Big Man and dominate all of you.

iniquity · 10/07/2016 14:24

I'm happy to have boys because he would treat the girls worse as they get older. The boys atleast will have freedom.

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StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2016 14:26

You're not getting it. If he hits your children hard enough to leave a mark and someone sees it ( which I hope they will) children's services will be involved.

stealtheatingtunnocks · 10/07/2016 14:27

Are you Muslim too? Could you speak to your Imam about it? I mean, to get some perspective on why this is not "minor" and that you and your children don't need to put up with this

Shinyshoes2 · 10/07/2016 14:27

Why is it acceptable that he hits the boys . (But not hard Hmm) and you're grateful ...
You're letting him do this
I have no sympathy for you unfortunately if you think its acceptable he hits the kids

HubrisComicGhoul · 10/07/2016 14:28

Okay, are you saying that you will never leave, or that you want to be qualified first? Because I can empathise with the last option. I wouldn't want to leave without any way to support myself.

How much family help do you have? And will this remain if you leave your husband?

I'd advise ringing WA and explaining the situation to them, they may be able to help you with an exit strategy and may have suggestions for a way to leave before the course is finished. Your uni may have suggestions too.

Everyone leaving domestic violence has a different story, with diffrent challenges, but I have never met any who regret leaving.

Please get real life help and enlist anyone in your life who doesn't consider this reasonable behaviour. Take your time of you need to, but please don't minimise it. What happens if next time it's your children that get hit round the head?

fuzzywuzzy · 10/07/2016 14:28

OK, do you have family friends any sort of RL support?

I'm Muslim, Islam does not allow beating your spouse, that's so wrong and I've seen it used as an excuse for DV before.

You need to LTB, what else is there to suggest? DV doesn't come in levels of mild, serious and lethal it's DV. You're married to a nasty wife beater.

What are your children learning from this?

I don't think anyone can reasonably make any other suggestion to you. Rally round RL support and carefully consider your next steps. Living with DV is not something I would suggest or condone to anyone.

Shinyshoes2 · 10/07/2016 14:28

I really hope you're a troll as I'm fucking angry with your attitude re hitting the boys
Or I hope they get taken off you
Selfish selfish selfish

AttilaTheMeerkat · 10/07/2016 14:29

"What I need is a way of controlling his temper so I can finish my course"

That aim of yours is simply not achievable.

Your way of staying safe at home is to have him removed from your home. BTW your home is now not a sanctuary at all, it is a warzone.

It is not your fault that your H has decided to embark on his own private war against you. You are not the only victim here, his children are as well. Would you want your sons to think that being violent towards any woman is at all acceptable?. What if they were to start hitting you or your H getting them to gang up on you?. Currently you are showing them that the level of abuse he metes out to you is acceptable to you.

iniquity · 10/07/2016 14:30

He only smacks the kids, not hard enough to leave a mark. I don't like it but smacking is not illegal in this country. I was hoping for a bit if support really.

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KittyLaRoux · 10/07/2016 14:30

FFS your happy he hits the kids.

Christ you are as bad as he is!
Your poor children.
You are deluded and allowing him to hit children and make excuses for it is vile. Yes I am sure your sons appreciate a beating off dad Hmm

WAKE UP WOMEN.

Protect your children your nursing course is not more important than them.

Shinyshoes2 · 10/07/2016 14:30

Leave him or stay and endure the violence
There is no other option
What do you expect us to say

StealthPolarBear · 10/07/2016 14:30

Yes me too. Op your dh is a criminal and an abuser and you are colluding in the abuse of your children.

HubrisComicGhoul · 10/07/2016 14:31

Took too long to post. Kinda shocked that you are okay with him hitting your DSs. Please stop minimizing his behaviour it's not acceptable.

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exWifebeginsat40 · 10/07/2016 14:32

this isn't acceptable wherever in the world you are. my sister is married to a Muslim man, and has had 3 sons. he has never laid a finger on her, or the children.

you are worth more than this, and so are your children. you show them how the world works - do you want them to see that physical 'punishment' is ok?

you need to seriously think about leaving.

LadyStarkOfWinterfell · 10/07/2016 14:33

You cannot reduce his temper. It's not possible. He may be able to but why would he?
Op my sil and her ex-h are Muslim in a Muslim country. First time he hit her she left. 19yo, pregnant with no money and no job, but she knew that wasn't the way she should be treated and she never went back.

iniquity · 10/07/2016 14:34

He doesn't beat the children, just a bum smack that many parents do. I think I'm leaving this thread as its not helping me.

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