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Friend did something weird and I can't get over it

216 replies

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 18:33

I have name changed as this is so personal and outing.

I've had a friend for around two years. We began as colleagues (she was senior to me), but stayed friends when I moved on. She's about fifteen years older than me, but it never had an effect on our friendship (not sure if it's even relevant). She has a young daughter who I get on well with.

When I was pregnant she was one of the first people I told and she was a great help to us, sourcing very cheap or sometimes free baby equipment, and I also really appreciated her experiences as a mother as I don't have any other friends who are parents.

On the day I went into labour we were due to meet up, so when I was in hospital I sent her a text to cancel our plans. After that I was too busy having a baby to check my phone, and DH was the same. Neither of us told her which hospital I was at, or which ward etc.

As soon as DC was born, he was taken away to be resuscitated, the reasons for which I still don't quite understand. I was shaking with adrenaline and very confused about where my baby was and whether he was alright. I was also haemorrhaging. A midwife came into the room and said, "your birth partner is here, may she come in?". When I was pregnant I had vaguely discussed with my sister the possibility of her being at the birth to support DH and to advocate for me, but in the end it was too much of a rush for her to be there (she lives a couple of hours drive away). So I assumed they meant my sister was here, which made little sense as she'd have been at work, but I thought perhaps she'd left early due to the Christmas holidays. I think I said something like, "is it [sister's name]?" but don't remember what the reply was. I said yes, let her in, I really want to see my sister. But my friend walked through the door. Bear in mind that I've got my legs apart, there is blood literally gushing out all over the place, I'm shaking and crying, wondering whether my baby is alive or dead - the last person I want in the room is her. But she just stood there in the middle of the room in absolute silence. I'm quite an apologetic, doormat type of person by nature, and I found myself apologising to this woman that I couldn't really chat right now because I'd just given birth and I didn't know whether my baby was okay or not. I'm appalled at myself for that now, and wish I'd stood up for myself and told her to fuck off, and I'm cross at DH and the midwives for not recognising how inappropriate the situation was. It took a long time for her to eventually be led outside to wait.

When I was being stitched up later on, I was still worrying that she was waiting outside for me and I felt bad that I didn't want to see her despite her coming to the hospital (my mental health is fucked, forgive me), and therefore this is my overriding memory of my son's birth. A midwife had to say to me, "it's okay if you don't want her here" before I felt comfortable asking them to get her to leave. I think DH went out and told her to go.

I really resent her for tainting my experience, and I feel that she is the reason I have such black holes in my memory of the rest of the birth.

In the six months since DS was born we've met up a couple of times but I feel very much that there is an elephant in the room between us. She's never mentioned the incident, except to say, "I'm glad I could be there for you" in a text the next day. I've started ignoring her text messages because I can't bear to see her or think about her. I'm so cross that she invaded such a private and personal time for us.
What do I do? Have it out with her? Just keep ignoring her until she gets the message? Get over it and pretend it never happened? I don't know how to proceed. We did have a good friendship before this, so I don't know if I'm being too hasty in writing her off - but I feel physically sick when she texts me.

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Comfortzone · 26/06/2015 18:37

Ewwwww. Yanbu. Why the hell did she do that? How inappropriate! I hope you can recover from this you went through enough of an ordeal without this awkward idiot butting in. Sorry.

Sparkletastic · 26/06/2015 18:38

I'd write her a letter briefly explaining why you never want to see her again. Appalling invasion of your privacy and unforgivable in my book.

VashtaNerada · 26/06/2015 18:38

That was hugely inappropriate of her! I'm not sure I could forgive that tbh.

ICanTuckMyBoobsInMyPockets · 26/06/2015 18:38

Wow. I Sam open mouthed reading that.
I'm sorry you had such a horrendous experience and I hope you are all recovered.

If I were you I'd have to have her know how I felt.

There are things you need to say and I think she'll almost be expecting it. Could you text her or email her and get your husband to screen any responses?

DoreenLethal · 26/06/2015 18:39

I would probably say to her 'what you did was unforgivable, you invaded my personal space, lied to get access and have not even apologised. Whilst my son was being resuscitated, you have given me an enduring memory of invasion when I needed to be supported. It makes me feel uneasy every time you contact me so please can you stop and I will be in touch if I am ever able to forgive you.

Or words to that effect. What an unbelievable thing to do.

littlejessie · 26/06/2015 18:40

Did she actually lie to the midwives about being your birth partner??

dollius · 26/06/2015 18:42

Well that was an exceptionally weird thing for your friend to do, and to go to the extemes if telling midwives she was your birth partner to get through the door.

It is a violation of sorts, to thrust herself like that on you at perhaps the most vulnerable moment of your adult life.

If you can I would confront her and say what you said here. You feel violated and you don't know if you can get past it.

Stubbed · 26/06/2015 18:42

She probably thought you'd be sitting up chatting cuddling your baby and desperate to show the baby off to people. She probably didn't mean any harm (ok she was very thoughtless) but I bet she realised and feels terrible. You should talk to her about it, give her the chance to apologise and get some closure.

CamelHump · 26/06/2015 18:43

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getyourgeekon · 26/06/2015 18:43

Poor you, I think I would feel the same. it was a very odd thing to do, and I imagine (?) at some level she feels as uncomfortable about it. It's something that would be very difficult to bring up... I guess the alternative is letting the friendship go. How would you feel about that?

Don't underestimate how much it takes to make sense of and come to terms with a traumatic birth. To some extent she may have become a bit of a vessel for your upset and anger at the birth...but what she did was still massively inappropriate. What was she thinking! Have you had a post birth debrief? Our hospital do them and I had one. It was helpful for me, alongside other efforts to deal with my feelings about ds's birth.

littlejessie · 26/06/2015 18:43

I am almost wondering whether there's any legal recourse if she lied to get into the place. And why would anyone do such a thing??? Does she have some sort of morbid fascination with some aspect of birth? This is honestly one of the most atrocious things I've read on here, and bloody weird to boot.

Purpleboa · 26/06/2015 18:45

Whoa! Having just given birth this week for the first time, I can only too well get how freaky, weird and invasive that must have been. This has nothing to do with you and everything to do with her! It's the most intimate and terrifying/emotional experience a woman can have. She had NO right to be there and I'm shocked they even let her in - WTAF? I'd be demanding an official apology from the hospital on that one!

Trust me, if this is the kind of thing she thinks is appropriate to do, then writing her off is something you must do for your own sanity. I'd text or send her a letter explaining your reasons, why it bothered you (although that should have been obvious to anyone!) and politely but firmly asking that she respects your wishes.

I'm sorry this happened to you and affected your birth experience.

getyourgeekon · 26/06/2015 18:45

Do you really think she 'lied her way in' or as stubbed says, just thoughtlessly imagined you'd be in bed snuggling a newborn and happy to receive visitors?

TinyDancer69 · 26/06/2015 18:47

You poor thing. Honestly that sounds just dreadful. You do not need this weirdo in your life. Just reading it made my skin crawl. I think you do need to tell her how massively inappropriate it was for your own wellbeing. If it were me I'd drop her. Time to build happy and precious memories with your DS and put this well behind you.

TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 18:47

YANBU

She put her needs before yours. Steer well clear.

littlejessie · 26/06/2015 18:47

Good question getyourgeekon.

reallybadday · 26/06/2015 18:49

You seem to associate her with the traumatic birth of your DC but is there any chance that is not due to anything she did wrong?
I would imagine that if you were good friends, she would have known which hospital you planned to use so there's no mystery as to how she found you that day. Maybe she didn't realise what stage of labour you were at when she arrived and told staff she was there to see you? If staff misunderstood and ushered her through, then I can imagine it would have been a shock to both of you.
Would you be able to discuss that day with her? She may be totally unaware of how you felt about her presence there. It would be a shame to lose a supportive friend if it was a misunderstanding. You may also need to speak to someone professional (GP, HV) about your feelings around your DCs birth. It sounds like a kind of PTSD to me.
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TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 18:49

I think most labour wards are very strict about visitors and certainly wouldn't let someone into a room where a woman was in crisis unless they had made a very good case for being there (eg birth partner.)

Rivercam · 26/06/2015 18:49

How did she react when she saw you in hospital? Did she apologise after seeing you in distress, if so it's probably as Stubs say.

If she made no move to support you, or leave, then it's totally weird.

Maybe she thought she was helping you by being there (clutching at straws), although it is weird for someone to turn up at the hospital, other than family.

Definitely an invasion of privacy.

Purpleboa · 26/06/2015 18:50

Oh and Stubbed, even if she had thought that, who the shell would have the audacity to turn up so soon?? She didn't even know the news yet! Even my parents waited till the next day to visit me. I think what she did was simply inexcusable.

Purpleboa · 26/06/2015 18:51

Hell, even!

TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 18:51

I really think the OP needs to trust her instincts on this, boundary-violators often get away with this kind of selfish crap by claiming misunderstandings or oversensitivity on the part of others.

Twodogsandahooch · 26/06/2015 18:51

Would you have considered her a close friend before the birth? How much had she been involved in your pregnancy? Had you ever mentioned, even jokingly about her being your birth partner? Was she a surrogate mother figure?

It is odd but I wonder whether as a PP said, that she thought she would find you there eating toast with a baby in arms.

prepperpig · 26/06/2015 18:52

I am puzzled and quite surprised at the responses you've received.

As far as your friend was concerned:

You'd given birth
She came to see you (ok pretty quickly)

She had no way of knowing your baby wasn't there, that it was traumatic, that you were there legs akimbo covered in blood etc. She was probably as horrified as you and didn't quite know what to do. I can't believe the midwife let her in, she should have said "it's far too soon for visitors but I'll send your best wishes", but that's a completely different issue and not your friend's fault.

I think you're projecting your issues around the traumatic birth onto this friend.

Tequilashotfor1 · 26/06/2015 18:52

For closure you have to speak to her about it. Regardless what her motives where it was extremly intrusive.

If you can't face her send a text. If she doesn't reply at least you have got it off your chest.

It's fucking awful what she did by the way

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