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Friend did something weird and I can't get over it

216 replies

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 18:33

I have name changed as this is so personal and outing.

I've had a friend for around two years. We began as colleagues (she was senior to me), but stayed friends when I moved on. She's about fifteen years older than me, but it never had an effect on our friendship (not sure if it's even relevant). She has a young daughter who I get on well with.

When I was pregnant she was one of the first people I told and she was a great help to us, sourcing very cheap or sometimes free baby equipment, and I also really appreciated her experiences as a mother as I don't have any other friends who are parents.

On the day I went into labour we were due to meet up, so when I was in hospital I sent her a text to cancel our plans. After that I was too busy having a baby to check my phone, and DH was the same. Neither of us told her which hospital I was at, or which ward etc.

As soon as DC was born, he was taken away to be resuscitated, the reasons for which I still don't quite understand. I was shaking with adrenaline and very confused about where my baby was and whether he was alright. I was also haemorrhaging. A midwife came into the room and said, "your birth partner is here, may she come in?". When I was pregnant I had vaguely discussed with my sister the possibility of her being at the birth to support DH and to advocate for me, but in the end it was too much of a rush for her to be there (she lives a couple of hours drive away). So I assumed they meant my sister was here, which made little sense as she'd have been at work, but I thought perhaps she'd left early due to the Christmas holidays. I think I said something like, "is it [sister's name]?" but don't remember what the reply was. I said yes, let her in, I really want to see my sister. But my friend walked through the door. Bear in mind that I've got my legs apart, there is blood literally gushing out all over the place, I'm shaking and crying, wondering whether my baby is alive or dead - the last person I want in the room is her. But she just stood there in the middle of the room in absolute silence. I'm quite an apologetic, doormat type of person by nature, and I found myself apologising to this woman that I couldn't really chat right now because I'd just given birth and I didn't know whether my baby was okay or not. I'm appalled at myself for that now, and wish I'd stood up for myself and told her to fuck off, and I'm cross at DH and the midwives for not recognising how inappropriate the situation was. It took a long time for her to eventually be led outside to wait.

When I was being stitched up later on, I was still worrying that she was waiting outside for me and I felt bad that I didn't want to see her despite her coming to the hospital (my mental health is fucked, forgive me), and therefore this is my overriding memory of my son's birth. A midwife had to say to me, "it's okay if you don't want her here" before I felt comfortable asking them to get her to leave. I think DH went out and told her to go.

I really resent her for tainting my experience, and I feel that she is the reason I have such black holes in my memory of the rest of the birth.

In the six months since DS was born we've met up a couple of times but I feel very much that there is an elephant in the room between us. She's never mentioned the incident, except to say, "I'm glad I could be there for you" in a text the next day. I've started ignoring her text messages because I can't bear to see her or think about her. I'm so cross that she invaded such a private and personal time for us.
What do I do? Have it out with her? Just keep ignoring her until she gets the message? Get over it and pretend it never happened? I don't know how to proceed. We did have a good friendship before this, so I don't know if I'm being too hasty in writing her off - but I feel physically sick when she texts me.

OP posts:
claraschu · 27/06/2015 07:10

Whatever your friend did, it seems clear that the midwives and hospital screwed up badly and were trying to cover for their mistake.

If I were you, I would want to know exactly what my friend did at the time, and what was going through her head. Her response to my questions would make it clear whether I wanted to keep her as a friend.

I guess that I think JustHavingABreak might have a point.

LIZS · 27/06/2015 07:14

Tbh I think there are 2 things going on here. One is the unresolved issues around the birth, the baby being taken away, bleeding and general lack of control and confidence at the time to assert yourself. The second is your "friend's" inappropriate behaviour and invasion of your privacy. I suspect if you had counselling for the first, to help you come to terms with what happened, the second may gain a different perspective, one from which you can then decide if and how to approach with friend. Can you contact pals or the head of midwifery at the hospital for advice on how to request postnatal counselling.

Petridish · 27/06/2015 07:27

She lied and intruded. The midwife / your dh should have double checked who she was before letting her in.

ScoutandAtticus · 27/06/2015 07:30

I think you will be doing her a favour by breaking off the friendship what an utterly vile thing to say spendspendspend. The OP is clearly upset and traumatised, what do you have to gain by being so horrid?

OP - I would feel the same as you. I don't think being a friend qualifies anyone to barge into the delivery suite and its an odd thing to do. Her intentions behind it are the crux of this but unless you speak to her then you will never know what that is. I would send her an email saying how you feel and asking her why she did it and set out the facts as you see them. Any half decent person will know its wrong and explain themselves and say they have been wanting to see you to aplogise. If it was a case that she just thought you would still be in the early stages of labour and want someone to keep you company and therefore wasn't expecting what happened then whilst it's still a huge invasion of privacy and odd thing to do its not the same as lying to get in. I wouldn't put too much weight on the text sent the day after. It could just as much be her discomfort trying to make it all 'ok'or her being weird.

I would include the birth partner thing as a fact and see how she responds although I could see how the Chinese whispers theory could happen. At the very least the hospital should have a policy of giving names and not generic titles when seeking permission like this.

Has any of her behaviour before or since made you think she's not quite right? I think of you have never had any weirdness before then it was a mistake. A pretty crass , invasive mistake at that.

Could you seek counseling before you addrss it? I just wonder if you could deal with the trauma first and then see how you feel about this woman. I am not suggesting you will feel less upset by her but it may help you untangle it all.

oabiti · 27/06/2015 07:34

Agreed, spring, think op should leave friend on the back burner for now.

PityPartay · 27/06/2015 07:40

Do think you need to ask her about all the details from her side, even if that's by writing to her, and then deal with it but can totally understand your feelings.

Spend - I'd agreed to be my friend's birthing partner, if her DH was working away at the time and couldn't get to her when labour started, we'd talked about it loads. I'd also, IMO, been a very good friend for years before and helping with baby-related tasks in the 9 month run up. I'm even godparent to her child now. So I had massive 'dibs' on being involved if you see it like that. So when she went into labour with her DH there guess what I did? Stayed at home and looked forward to news/invitation to visit, because THAT is what a really good friend, or anyone rational with a bit of compassion, does.

Stealthpolarbear · 27/06/2015 07:41

Yes I know this is stupid but I'm coming back to the friends (monica ross etc) thing. She may have thought that is what good friends do, come and lurk nearby as the woman is giving birth. She may have intended to be in this room until she was told to see you (room doesn't exist but if your only experience of childbirth is American TV ..). And then somehow there was a huge misunderstanding and she ends up being shown into the delivery room, not what she intended?

Woooooohoooooo · 27/06/2015 07:54

I think it was a simple misunderstanding based on your original discussion about her helping out at the birth. She got the end of the stick and there for would have thought she was being helpful by turning up. She was just trying to be supportive. Sadly it wasn't appropriate.

However I partly blame the midwives because they should have said 'Julie brown is here, is she ok to come in?' Rather then the more vague 'your birth partner is here'. If they had been clearer about who was outside, the whole event could have been avoided.

I think you are putting all your general upset about the birth specifically on to your friends shoulders. Maybe you could explain to your friend that when you see her, you see all the agony and upset from the birth.

I agree with a birth debriefing.

Woooooohoooooo · 27/06/2015 07:55

I blame the midwife

QuiteLikely5 · 27/06/2015 07:58

Ok this woman was a good friend to you. Helping you out when you needed things for your unborn baby etc. you have mental health issues.

Do you think she has taken you under her wing a little too much?

Now I find it odd that she knew you went into labour when you didn't tell her? You told someone who told her? Who?

I don't think this woman's visit came from a place of malice but rather a desire to help you. She seems to be mothering you?

Unfortunately for you she has crossed a line. Why not text her and ask for a brief explanation?

Instead of letting the incident burn your emotional energy.

Branleuse · 27/06/2015 08:00

i cannot even express how fucked off i would be if someone had tried to pretend they were my birth partner. What she did was boundary stomping. a complete no-no.

ScrambledEggAndToast · 27/06/2015 08:02

If she's the sort of person that thinks it's ok to come in at such a private time, she may genuinely have no idea what she has done to upset you. Writing a letter, as other posters have suggested, may be the way to go. It will give you the chance to get things out in the right way and it makes it clear to her what she's done wrong. You can also make the decision as to whether you want to see her.

Woooooohoooooo · 27/06/2015 08:04

Posters are forgetting that OP pre birth discussed the possibility that friend could act as birth partner. The friend must have been under the impression she was still the birth partner. How did your original discussion go exactly?

Woooooohoooooo · 27/06/2015 08:05

Eventually when you looked at your mobile, what did her texts say?

Branleuse · 27/06/2015 08:07

woohoo , she discussed the possibility of her sister being her BP not her friend

Poppiesway · 27/06/2015 08:07

Both her and the hospitals fault.

My mil did this. Told them she was my mum and they let her in. I was fuming. then mils friend ring up and pretended to be my sister to get information (I don't have a sister!)

The hospital were lax on letting her in and she should not have done that to you. I would speak to her about it as it will fester for years making you uncomfortable with it.

retrocutie · 27/06/2015 08:14

It sounds like a big misunderstanding...

Unfortunately, a bad birth experience can seriously affect a person. I nearly died in childbirth and spent some time in ICU. I was very close to death and my husband only visited me there twice and I only saw my baby once. This, I believe, has scarred me for life. I go over and over the details all the time, I just can't move on. I feel so much hatred for the doctor and the nurses who let us down, as well as my husband. It haunts me daily.

I think you might be in the same situation as me. But hopefully not as bad. Maybe seeing her there creeped you out and the idea of seeing her again takes you back to that time? Either way, she doesn't seem to have shown any weird tendencies before, so I wouldn't read too much into it.

People can overstep the mark when it comes to pregnancy/childbirth/visiting. Wasn't there a MIL on here recently who, in spite of being told not to visit yet, went to visit her DIL wearing a name badge from another hospital in order to gain access?

ResentfulAndSad · 27/06/2015 08:14

Wooooo I didn't discuss her being at the birth at all, only my sister and DH.

She didn't reply to my cancellation text (I said something along the lines of "need to cancel our plans today because I'm in labour", so that's how she knew I was in labour), but when DH checked his phone later she had asked him which hospital we were at. He didn't reply before she had arrived.
I feel certain that she intended to be at the birth.

OP posts:
tidalwaveover · 27/06/2015 08:44

Some people need to RTFT properly.

Wooohoo, this woman was NEVER the OP's birth partner, it had never been discussed with her - OP had discussed this as a possibility with her own sister, NOT the odd friend.

This woman didn't even know which hospital the OP was at. It's bloody odd that she texted the OP's DH to ask this. If you're going to visit at hospital you wait to be invited, you do not assume and barge your way in.

Whoever said this woman was mothering the OP - that sounds about right to me. My own mother is like this - she has extremely poor boundaries and likes to cast me as a child who can't get anything right without her there to take control. I have boundaries in place with my mother to control exactly this kind of behaviour and when my DC were born she was 150 miles away and had no idea until after the event.

Whoever said there was a security failure at the hospital is also right - OP shouldn't have just been told her 'birth partner' was there. Anyone could (and did) blag their way in on that basis.

I would be livid. Absolutely livid.

getyourgeekon · 27/06/2015 09:12

Miscellaneous's posts up thread were fantastic.
Do you have your birth notes, Resentful? One thing that helped me massively after DS's birth was reading through these in full with DH. We were able to fill in the blanks for each other. I actually photographed them all with my iPad so have them permanently. Might be useful to have these prior to a debrief.

And you asked if you can continue to ignore your friend. I absolutely think you can, if you want. Is it worth raising with her if you don't want to be friends any more? And would a discussion be helpful to you?

From what I've read, I think if I were you my plan would be to focus on making sense of the birth and raising a complaint with the hospital, (if you want to) and only then decide a plan of action for speaking with your friend. I'd probably discuss it with my counsellor too.

messyisthenewtidy · 27/06/2015 10:17

I think the first thing you need to do is talk to your friend about this. You shouldn't make any decisions without getting the facts (and her thought process) clear first.

Glad your baby is doing fine Smile

MiscellaneousAssortment · 27/06/2015 10:22

I'm glad my post reflects where you are coming out op (said ages ago sorry just read back x).

Op please do ignore the vile posts from a certain someone, who can probably imagine herself behaving like this so seeks to justify it.

Also id personally ignore all the Olympic twisting and contorting to excuse the events and make them somehow nornal and a 'anyone could do it' type of mistake. It's really not helpful though from good intentions. I've noticed that when faced with someone who tramples and breaks boundaries, people often can't understand it so seek to minimiss or change it into something more understandable.

I'd stick to your guns and don't focus on her at all at the moment. Space to feel what you feel. Finding out how this happened. Then dealing with the friendship itself xxx

CluckingBelle · 27/06/2015 10:57

Firstly, I'm so sorry you had a traumatic delivery. My first birth affected me terribly, and I didn't seek help for years afterwards. It's good that you are receiving a birth debrief and some help to deal with the trauma.

I'm going to play devils advocate here. I may well be wrong. Your friend receives a text from you, 'I'm in labour, I'm on the way to the hospital'. She replies, 'are you ok, is hubby with you, do you want me to come' and she gets no reply. She is then worried that you may have text because you need/want her help. She comes to the hospital in case she is needed (rightly or wrongly) where a rushed off her feet midwife asks, are you the birth partner. Put on the spot she (wrongly) replies 'Erm. .yes'. She then gets whisked into the room expecting to find you in early labour and sees blood, legs in the air etc etc and realises 'oh f*ck maybe i got this wrong'.

I really think you need to hear her side of the story.

ResentfulAndSad · 27/06/2015 11:03

Thanks Clucking. I don't think my text was that ambiguous, though. I have doubted myself a lot in the months since the event, though. I just said that I needed to cancel our plans for the day because I was going to hospital.

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Momagain1 · 27/06/2015 11:26

No, clucking. People who are not siblings, parents, fathers of the baby or actual birth partners who have been listed on the birth plan and previously named to the MW/other staff, do not think they might be needed and rush off to the hospital. In fact, most of those I listed, other than fathers and actual planned in advance birth partners, know full well they are not needed and dont even think about going to the hospital. They go about their lives, texting and calling each other in hopes of news or to confirm other DC are not in need of support. Maybe someone wonders if the dog will need feeding.

Friend crossed a boundary, and inatttentive staff compounded the problem.