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Friend did something weird and I can't get over it

216 replies

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 18:33

I have name changed as this is so personal and outing.

I've had a friend for around two years. We began as colleagues (she was senior to me), but stayed friends when I moved on. She's about fifteen years older than me, but it never had an effect on our friendship (not sure if it's even relevant). She has a young daughter who I get on well with.

When I was pregnant she was one of the first people I told and she was a great help to us, sourcing very cheap or sometimes free baby equipment, and I also really appreciated her experiences as a mother as I don't have any other friends who are parents.

On the day I went into labour we were due to meet up, so when I was in hospital I sent her a text to cancel our plans. After that I was too busy having a baby to check my phone, and DH was the same. Neither of us told her which hospital I was at, or which ward etc.

As soon as DC was born, he was taken away to be resuscitated, the reasons for which I still don't quite understand. I was shaking with adrenaline and very confused about where my baby was and whether he was alright. I was also haemorrhaging. A midwife came into the room and said, "your birth partner is here, may she come in?". When I was pregnant I had vaguely discussed with my sister the possibility of her being at the birth to support DH and to advocate for me, but in the end it was too much of a rush for her to be there (she lives a couple of hours drive away). So I assumed they meant my sister was here, which made little sense as she'd have been at work, but I thought perhaps she'd left early due to the Christmas holidays. I think I said something like, "is it [sister's name]?" but don't remember what the reply was. I said yes, let her in, I really want to see my sister. But my friend walked through the door. Bear in mind that I've got my legs apart, there is blood literally gushing out all over the place, I'm shaking and crying, wondering whether my baby is alive or dead - the last person I want in the room is her. But she just stood there in the middle of the room in absolute silence. I'm quite an apologetic, doormat type of person by nature, and I found myself apologising to this woman that I couldn't really chat right now because I'd just given birth and I didn't know whether my baby was okay or not. I'm appalled at myself for that now, and wish I'd stood up for myself and told her to fuck off, and I'm cross at DH and the midwives for not recognising how inappropriate the situation was. It took a long time for her to eventually be led outside to wait.

When I was being stitched up later on, I was still worrying that she was waiting outside for me and I felt bad that I didn't want to see her despite her coming to the hospital (my mental health is fucked, forgive me), and therefore this is my overriding memory of my son's birth. A midwife had to say to me, "it's okay if you don't want her here" before I felt comfortable asking them to get her to leave. I think DH went out and told her to go.

I really resent her for tainting my experience, and I feel that she is the reason I have such black holes in my memory of the rest of the birth.

In the six months since DS was born we've met up a couple of times but I feel very much that there is an elephant in the room between us. She's never mentioned the incident, except to say, "I'm glad I could be there for you" in a text the next day. I've started ignoring her text messages because I can't bear to see her or think about her. I'm so cross that she invaded such a private and personal time for us.
What do I do? Have it out with her? Just keep ignoring her until she gets the message? Get over it and pretend it never happened? I don't know how to proceed. We did have a good friendship before this, so I don't know if I'm being too hasty in writing her off - but I feel physically sick when she texts me.

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bobajob · 26/06/2015 21:57

Even if she didn't lie to the midwives to get in, turning up to the labour ward 4 or 5 hours after a friend tells you they're in labour is seriously weird behaviour!

I'd have been shocked if anyone who wasn't close family turned up to the post natal ward the next day without at least having some contact with me or DP first.

I suppose best case scenario is that she thought you'd either have had the baby or would be bored with a long labour and a midwife got confused and ushered her in by mistake. However even so - just turning up without asking is too weird for me.

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 21:57

I categorically do not blame her for the traumatic events of the birth (actually the birth itself was great and much better than I had been expecting, just the whole baby not breathing/bleeding to death thing really sucked), but I do resent her for being in the room and forcing me to spend valuable energy worrying about her being there when I should have been concerned with myself and my baby. The black holes in my memory comment relates to her presence being the overriding memory of the day, which I worry has forced me to forget other things.

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TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 22:02

OP you can simply say "I can't face seeing anyone yet" as long as you need to.

It is not your job to make evetything right for this woman. She is an adult and if she is a true friend she will understand that you need some time, and wait. If she's sensible she'll have a full life and find other things to occupy her in the meantime.

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 22:03

Trousers that's almost exactly the excuse I gave a month or two ago! Good to know I can recycle it for a while.

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TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 22:07

Yes you can. Stuck record, same thing. Just keep saying it for as long as it's true. You don't have to "get over it." You don't have to come clean with her in the name of "honesty." Her relationship with you and your baby is not your concern at all.

If you suddenly find that you miss her and need her, then tell her so. But I'm guessing you won't.

Do you have other friends to talk this through with?

longjane · 26/06/2015 22:07

I think another reason why friend is getting in the neck is that you wanted your sister there . And she did not come but your friend did.

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 22:12

No, I was fine without my sister in the end. She came after she finished work and saw us on the post-natal ward. Certainly not bitter about her absence.

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TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 22:13

No longjane "friend" is not "getting it in the neck"

OP is simply saying that she wishes this person had not been present to witness her trauma

no-one else's feelings need consideration by OP, she was focused on survival for her and her baby, which is absolutely right and proper

TheVeryThing · 26/06/2015 22:13

Sometimes when someone has helped us a lot, they feel it gives them some 'rights' they would not normally have, that the usual rules don't apply to them. Do you think this could be the case here?

M00nUnit · 26/06/2015 22:18

There are some bonkers replies on this thread. Spendspendspend, being a supportive friend and sourcing a few bits of baby equipment does not give anyone the right to be in the birthing suite when the baby comes!

TwitchyTail2 · 26/06/2015 22:22

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DirectorOfBetter · 26/06/2015 22:26

If the issue is whether she lied or got in there by a series of cock ups, could you text or email your friend and say you were very upset that she arrived in the room when you were at your most exposed and vulnerable. Tell her the midwives have told you that she had told them she was your birth partner. Tell her you are going to have a debrief with the hospital as you want to understand how someone unrelated to you could have been allowed into the room at such a time.

coconutpie · 26/06/2015 22:39

OP, sorry there's no nice way of saying this but your friend is a batshit psycho. Who the fuck turns up at the delivery room uninvited and walks in? She also lied and said she was your birth partner! I also find it really unsettling that you didn't tell her the hospital yet she turned up a few hours after you went into labour. Holy shit, she sounds like an absolute freak. I'm actually gobsmacked that she walked in while you were being stitched up.

I think you do need to demand answers from her as it will be hard to move on otherwise. And then you need to cut that bitch out of your life. There are certain things that cannot be forgiven and this is one of them. She WAY overstepped the mark.

And you need to demand an investigation with the hospital. This was a huge security breach and the hospital needs to accept responsibility - they completely neglected your wellbeing by allowing this crazy woman in at such a vulnerable time.

Tryharder · 26/06/2015 22:48

She sounds a bit crass and thoughtless but presumably she thought she was there to see the baby and pat you on the back.

To be honest, your reaction sounds a little extreme to my way of thinking and the situation you describe wouldn't have particularly bothered me.

But you're not me and if you personally are unable to get over it, then there's nothing else you can do than end the friendship respectfully and tactfully.

Back2Two · 26/06/2015 22:49

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DirectorOfBetter · 26/06/2015 22:52

I disagree Back.
I'd need to know the truth of where the lie was-was it her or the midwife. But we're all different Smile I'd hate to lose a close friend if there was a possibility of a different explanation than that she lied her way in.

JustHavinABreak · 26/06/2015 23:32

I feel bad for you OP because the thing that stands out here is that your birth experience was a traumatic and frightening one made worse by the fact that you didn't even know for a period of time if your baby had made it. That alone is just awful and from experience I know myself that that can be very hard to get past. Even afterwards when you know everything is fine, there is a black sinking feeling there of what almost-could-have been.

From what you have said though, I think your friend is guilty only of being quite thoughtless. Just imagine for a moment that there had been no trauma and she had arrived an hour later to be greeted by the sight of you having lovely baby cuddles. Then you would have thought she was a bit forward but probably not much else. We may never know if she lied to get in or a nurse lied about letting her in. Either way, perhaps she thought she was doing you a great favour by rushing to your side and overcoming all obstacles (and hospital policies!) to get there. It is also quite possible that when she arrived in and saw the situation she was as embarrassed as you were because she could see how spectacularly wrong she got it. Does she ignore the "gore" to save face for both of you? Try to stick around to show it hasn't made her less supportive? Get the hell out of there and risk having you think that you had disgusted her in some way? Once she barged in there it was a no-win situation.

I think it is quite possible that your friend has become the target for projecting all the hurt about the birth. If you feel that before the birth she was a good kind person who had your best interests at heart, then she probably still is. She just made a mistake and now neither one of you knows how to get passed it. I think I would meet somewhere quiet where it won't matter if you have a little cry. Tell her how you felt, ask her why she did it, accept her reasons in good faith and then make a concerted effort to move on with your friendship leaving this in the past.

Sallystyle · 26/06/2015 23:34

Your friend is crazy.

There is not one explanation that has been posted that I can buy.

No one with any boundaries goes into a delivery suite unless they are invited. I wouldn't do that to my daughter or sister, unless I was told in advance that I was wanted.

There is no valid excuse for what she did.

I would personally write her off because she has some serious boundaries issues and I would not want a friend who thinks it is ok to go into the delivery room to see me without being asked. I wouldn't even visit someone in the maternity ward without an invitation and I don't know anyone who would.

JustHavinABreak · 26/06/2015 23:40

U2 You're a dream visitor! Please get the word out to everyone else so new mothers can have their breathing space from well meaning but bloody annoying visitors and their cameras Grin

Fugghetaboutit · 26/06/2015 23:44

I think to make peace with this for your MH, you need to:

Email/text 'friend' and ask why she came.

File a complaint with hospital.

Otherwise you won't be able to move on.

DoloresLandingham · 26/06/2015 23:51

Neither of us told her which hospital I was at, or which ward etc.

I keep coming back to this. Unless you live somewhere with only one maternity unit for miles around, it must have taken some deliberate effort on her part to track you down.

oabiti · 27/06/2015 05:22

As someone upthread mentioned, firstly, I would write to the hospital's complaint dpt, detailing the scenario you described to us. Can you or dh remember the midwife's name, will it be in your notes somewhere?

Your friend was let in on the premise that she was your birthing partner, when you had just given birth and an extremely traumatic one at that. She would have had to have been 'buzzed' in, and then, presumably, she would have had to have explained again (to said midwife) why she was there. So, again, it looks like the hospital is at fault.

I don't think you are projecting your traumatic experience on your friend. She should not have been there. Full stop. She has definitely crossed a line. The situation, as you described, just shouldn't have happened.

Really hope you get some closure, op, I would have felt exactly the same as you.

Ps, sorry for waffling, up all night with blooming tootheache.

Weebirdie · 27/06/2015 05:43

OP, sorry there's no nice way of saying this but your friend is a batshit psycho.

What an absolutely horrible expression, and all the more-so given you're replying to an OP who has a history of MH problems.

Springtimemama · 27/06/2015 06:35

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kickassangel · 27/06/2015 07:00

How socially adept is she normally? I can just about see how a busy nurse could think that someone turning up, knowing you were there, and saying they were there to help with the birth might say the wrong thing and let her in, although that shouldn't happen.

But do you think your friend is someone who doesn't have a clue what is normal, and just got it horrifically wrong? Or is she someone that now you think about it, quite often oversteps the mark and tramples on other peoples boundaries just for her own ends?

You don't say whether she has kids. That could make a big difference to how much this could be a monumental cock up or selfish need to claim first dibs on seeing the baby.