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Friend did something weird and I can't get over it

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ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 18:33

I have name changed as this is so personal and outing.

I've had a friend for around two years. We began as colleagues (she was senior to me), but stayed friends when I moved on. She's about fifteen years older than me, but it never had an effect on our friendship (not sure if it's even relevant). She has a young daughter who I get on well with.

When I was pregnant she was one of the first people I told and she was a great help to us, sourcing very cheap or sometimes free baby equipment, and I also really appreciated her experiences as a mother as I don't have any other friends who are parents.

On the day I went into labour we were due to meet up, so when I was in hospital I sent her a text to cancel our plans. After that I was too busy having a baby to check my phone, and DH was the same. Neither of us told her which hospital I was at, or which ward etc.

As soon as DC was born, he was taken away to be resuscitated, the reasons for which I still don't quite understand. I was shaking with adrenaline and very confused about where my baby was and whether he was alright. I was also haemorrhaging. A midwife came into the room and said, "your birth partner is here, may she come in?". When I was pregnant I had vaguely discussed with my sister the possibility of her being at the birth to support DH and to advocate for me, but in the end it was too much of a rush for her to be there (she lives a couple of hours drive away). So I assumed they meant my sister was here, which made little sense as she'd have been at work, but I thought perhaps she'd left early due to the Christmas holidays. I think I said something like, "is it [sister's name]?" but don't remember what the reply was. I said yes, let her in, I really want to see my sister. But my friend walked through the door. Bear in mind that I've got my legs apart, there is blood literally gushing out all over the place, I'm shaking and crying, wondering whether my baby is alive or dead - the last person I want in the room is her. But she just stood there in the middle of the room in absolute silence. I'm quite an apologetic, doormat type of person by nature, and I found myself apologising to this woman that I couldn't really chat right now because I'd just given birth and I didn't know whether my baby was okay or not. I'm appalled at myself for that now, and wish I'd stood up for myself and told her to fuck off, and I'm cross at DH and the midwives for not recognising how inappropriate the situation was. It took a long time for her to eventually be led outside to wait.

When I was being stitched up later on, I was still worrying that she was waiting outside for me and I felt bad that I didn't want to see her despite her coming to the hospital (my mental health is fucked, forgive me), and therefore this is my overriding memory of my son's birth. A midwife had to say to me, "it's okay if you don't want her here" before I felt comfortable asking them to get her to leave. I think DH went out and told her to go.

I really resent her for tainting my experience, and I feel that she is the reason I have such black holes in my memory of the rest of the birth.

In the six months since DS was born we've met up a couple of times but I feel very much that there is an elephant in the room between us. She's never mentioned the incident, except to say, "I'm glad I could be there for you" in a text the next day. I've started ignoring her text messages because I can't bear to see her or think about her. I'm so cross that she invaded such a private and personal time for us.
What do I do? Have it out with her? Just keep ignoring her until she gets the message? Get over it and pretend it never happened? I don't know how to proceed. We did have a good friendship before this, so I don't know if I'm being too hasty in writing her off - but I feel physically sick when she texts me.

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MonstersBalls · 26/06/2015 21:16

Slightly different to you op but I had a very traumatic first birth. When things started to go pear-shaped loads more doctors and midwives came into the room to help. One midwife in particular took over and started telling me what to do. I was sobbing and in so much pain but I remember thinking 'I'm not going to do anything you tell me'. It was like I hated her and I don't know why. Blush

I only gave birth naturally in the end as a way to get rid of her as quickly as possible, or that's how it felt. Afterwards I couldn't look her in the eye, even when leaving the ward the next day. That midwife played on my mind for months afterwards, and even now,7 years on, I find it difficult to think about her.

The woman was just doing her job and did nothing wrong, but she seemed to encompass everything that was traumatic about the birth.

I know your situation is different, and your friend could well be in the wrong but I wonder whether you are experiencing a similar reaction to mine. Thanks

eddielizzard · 26/06/2015 21:17

i would be extremely upset too. i would casually ask, as others have suggested, 'hey, i've always wondered, how did you know where to find me?'

if you do it in a non-accusatory way, with an open question you might gain some insight into what she was thinking. still, it's a very very odd thing to do.

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 21:18

She was a fairly good friend, but she wasn't a good enough friend that she compared with my sister.

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triptych · 26/06/2015 21:18

Two points:

  1. what is your instinct? Do you feel she is too personal, a liar, too close or comfort etc? Personal instinct is a huge thing - it is your job now to protect your baby and to protect yourself so you can be there for your baby. If her appearance made you unsettled and continues to do so then trust yourself that this is your instinct telling you you need distance from her.

  2. my experience with dd was different to yours but traumatic in other ways and included her being taken away from me at 12 hours old when she tuned blue and me not knowing if she was alive or not for some time. I had a debrief by phone as didn't feel I could face it in person and though I sobbed my way through it it was tremendously helpful.

BerylStreep · 26/06/2015 21:19

Well I have some great friends, but none of them would turn up to me giving birth without being expressly asked to. I don't think to is fair to say you were happy for her to be your friend when it suited you, but not when you had your legs splayed, in distress and bleeding profusely. That's taking friendship a bit far.

CappuccinoYoga · 26/06/2015 21:20

Sorry to hear about the traumatic birth.

The thing is, they told you that someone was there, and then they must have gone back and told her that she was welcome to come in (as you had said yes, thinking it was your sister).

If she had been a good friend before this incident it would be a shame to lose the friendship. I would definitely speak to her in person about it to see what she says.

TheVeryThing · 26/06/2015 21:21

Wow, spend, I think you're being ridiculous and downright nasty. I too had a traumatic birth with emcs and would not have wanted anyone except dh present, which I think is fairly normal.
This friend should not have assumed her presence was welcome, any reasonable person would have checked, at least.
I actually think it's hugely arrogant to assume you have the right to be present and such a personal and intimate time, regardless of prior friendship.

mrstweefromtweesville · 26/06/2015 21:24

I am so sorry that someone who purported to be your friend added to the trauma of your birth experience.

Personally, I wouldn't be able to maintain a relationship with a person who had done that. It was extremely intrusive and shattered boundaries of personal space!

I hope you are having professional counselling for all aspects of your birth trauma.

Springtimemama · 26/06/2015 21:30

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Biscuitsneeded · 26/06/2015 21:35

It sounds as if you have had a horrible time, regardless or the rights and wrongs of your friend/the hospital staff. Flowers
Is it in any way possible that your friend could have misinterpreted the text you sent cancelling your plans to meet because you had gone into labour as a request for support while IN labour? If it was a first birth could she have assumed it would all take ages and you might want some company? Still seems a very odd thing to do, but as she is 15 years older than you could she feel in some ways quite maternal about you? I'm not saying you are wrong to feel that your privacy has been violated, but it would be a shame to lose a good friend if it were a case of crossed wires. Have you leant on her significantly in the past, to the point where she might feel you might have wanted her support?

TattieHowkerz · 26/06/2015 21:35

Spend are you the friend?

oabiti · 26/06/2015 21:37

So, did she tell the midwife she was your sister then, because, presumably, you would have discussed with midwife that you wanted your sister present? x

Dulra · 26/06/2015 21:38

I am so sorry this has happened to you after such a traumatic birth experience to then have such an intrusion is unthinkable. I also haemorrhaged and know how scary it is. My first reaction when reading your post was how the hell could someone get in to a delivery room!! That hospital has serious questions to answer and I think you need to make an official complaint. I live in Ireland and they are very strict over here you can't even get past the front door to visit people in the wards without a visitor card which has to be given to you by the person having a baby and there is no way you would get near a delivery ward so you do need to address this lapse in security with the hospital. With regards your "friend" I think she feels as awkward as you do and probably regretting her actions so maybe an email to explain how the intrusion has made you feel and leave it there try not to spend anymore headspace on it xx

TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 21:40

Spend it says a lot about you that you think the OP should be putting her friends' feelings above her own after fearing for her baby's life and her own life.

Mumite · 26/06/2015 21:40

Despite what I said above, i.e YANBU

I feel that she is the reason I have such black holes in my memory of the rest of the birth.

This I think is projecting. It's more likely you have the black holes due to the birth trauma or due to other pre-existing mental health blind spots.

tidalwaveover · 26/06/2015 21:42

spendspendspend I can't get my head around your post AT ALL.

I have lots of very good friends, I don't want a SINGLE ONE of them to watch me giving birth or to see me being stitched up.

I can't understand how you can have thought about his for 15 minutes and think anything about it is normal!

oabiti · 26/06/2015 21:44

I was going to ask the same thing, tatty Hmm

tidalwaveover · 26/06/2015 21:44

I also disagree with posters who say they think the friend feels awkward.

If it was awkward you'd apologise immediately and go wait outside. If I'd done this to someone (would never happen) I wouldn't be able to stop apologising.

I think the fact that she's referenced it only in terms of her having done you a favour (wtf?) tells you EVERYTHING you need to know about this crackpot.

oabiti · 26/06/2015 21:45

tattie

TendonQueen · 26/06/2015 21:47

Don't understand how this woman can have plausibly seemed like your birth partner when a) you'd already (just) given birth, and b) your DH, who actually was your birth partner, was already there. There is something fishy about the midwife's story in my opinion. Your friend's reaction does not sound like the reaction of someone brazen enough to lie about being your birth partner.

OhItsYouAgain · 26/06/2015 21:47

OP, my DD's birth was traumatic and she was taken to SCBU as soon as she was born so I understand how you feel. I think this 'friend' was completely out of order (and very odd) to do this to you. I wouldn't be able to forgive someone who had done this to me. Flowers

TendonQueen · 26/06/2015 21:49

Although posters above are right that the 'glad I could be there for you' text was weird. Perhaps you were unlucky enough to have a liar and a weirdo around that day. It happens.

SpendSpendSpend · 26/06/2015 21:49

Im most certainly not the friend

However i do feel the friend is being blamed for the op having a bad birth

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 21:52

I don't think she told them she was my sister, I think she told them she was my birth partner, and I then assumed she was my sister as she was the only person I'd discussed being at the birth other than DH.

It was in my very brief birth plan but that was disregarded as it would have been near impossible for my sister to have attended (hence my surprise at her apparent arrival).

Thanks for the YANBUs but I'm not thick-skinned enough to post this in AIBU! I just wanted to open a discussion about what I should do moving forward as I can't keep ignoring her messages (can I?).

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SpendSpendSpend · 26/06/2015 21:55

I wouldnt ignore her messages i would tell her that you dont want the friendship to continue and tell her why.

It may be very awkward doing it face to face so i would email her