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Friend did something weird and I can't get over it

216 replies

ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 18:33

I have name changed as this is so personal and outing.

I've had a friend for around two years. We began as colleagues (she was senior to me), but stayed friends when I moved on. She's about fifteen years older than me, but it never had an effect on our friendship (not sure if it's even relevant). She has a young daughter who I get on well with.

When I was pregnant she was one of the first people I told and she was a great help to us, sourcing very cheap or sometimes free baby equipment, and I also really appreciated her experiences as a mother as I don't have any other friends who are parents.

On the day I went into labour we were due to meet up, so when I was in hospital I sent her a text to cancel our plans. After that I was too busy having a baby to check my phone, and DH was the same. Neither of us told her which hospital I was at, or which ward etc.

As soon as DC was born, he was taken away to be resuscitated, the reasons for which I still don't quite understand. I was shaking with adrenaline and very confused about where my baby was and whether he was alright. I was also haemorrhaging. A midwife came into the room and said, "your birth partner is here, may she come in?". When I was pregnant I had vaguely discussed with my sister the possibility of her being at the birth to support DH and to advocate for me, but in the end it was too much of a rush for her to be there (she lives a couple of hours drive away). So I assumed they meant my sister was here, which made little sense as she'd have been at work, but I thought perhaps she'd left early due to the Christmas holidays. I think I said something like, "is it [sister's name]?" but don't remember what the reply was. I said yes, let her in, I really want to see my sister. But my friend walked through the door. Bear in mind that I've got my legs apart, there is blood literally gushing out all over the place, I'm shaking and crying, wondering whether my baby is alive or dead - the last person I want in the room is her. But she just stood there in the middle of the room in absolute silence. I'm quite an apologetic, doormat type of person by nature, and I found myself apologising to this woman that I couldn't really chat right now because I'd just given birth and I didn't know whether my baby was okay or not. I'm appalled at myself for that now, and wish I'd stood up for myself and told her to fuck off, and I'm cross at DH and the midwives for not recognising how inappropriate the situation was. It took a long time for her to eventually be led outside to wait.

When I was being stitched up later on, I was still worrying that she was waiting outside for me and I felt bad that I didn't want to see her despite her coming to the hospital (my mental health is fucked, forgive me), and therefore this is my overriding memory of my son's birth. A midwife had to say to me, "it's okay if you don't want her here" before I felt comfortable asking them to get her to leave. I think DH went out and told her to go.

I really resent her for tainting my experience, and I feel that she is the reason I have such black holes in my memory of the rest of the birth.

In the six months since DS was born we've met up a couple of times but I feel very much that there is an elephant in the room between us. She's never mentioned the incident, except to say, "I'm glad I could be there for you" in a text the next day. I've started ignoring her text messages because I can't bear to see her or think about her. I'm so cross that she invaded such a private and personal time for us.
What do I do? Have it out with her? Just keep ignoring her until she gets the message? Get over it and pretend it never happened? I don't know how to proceed. We did have a good friendship before this, so I don't know if I'm being too hasty in writing her off - but I feel physically sick when she texts me.

OP posts:
ResentfulAndSad · 26/06/2015 18:52

Thanks all for replying. I've been wanting to write and ask about this situation for so long but have been really afraid, and almost burying my head in the sand about it because I don't like to think about it.
I do want to have a birth debrief, but similarly, every time I pick up the phone to make the appointment, I can't.

That's a very interesting observation that I've made her a vessel for my trauma; I hadn't considered that before.

I think writing a letter is a good idea. I can take my time over getting the words right, because I tend to get verbal diarrhoea at emotional times and can't express myself properly.

With regards to her lying to get into the room - they definitely told me she was my birth partner, and I don't think they would have called her that without her prompting them. If they'd told me it was her I'd have asked them not to let her in.
The comment about legal recourse has actually made me remember that when I was being stitched up, a midwife came in and was quite insistent that she told them she was my birth partner and they wouldn't have let her in otherwise. I thought at the time that she was covering her own back! Sorry, didn't mean to drip feed, just forgot about that bit.

I suppose if she'd come over to me and said anything or comforted me it might feel less weird. As it is, seeing her stood in the room was almost like an hallucination, it was such a strange thing to happen.

Just thanks very much for responding and agreeing that it was inappropriate.

OP posts:
Purpleboa · 26/06/2015 18:53

Sorry but she had JUST given birth and not even cuddled her baby yet!! This woman lied her way in - the OP is absolutely not being unreasonable here! I'd really question the midwife for letting her in too.

Twinklestein · 26/06/2015 18:53

It's a very odd thing to do. Was she expecting to turn up after the baby was born?

Do you think she actually told the midwife she was your birth partner? Or that the midwife assumed it, and you assumed it was your sister? She may not have known you were still in the midst of it, and maybe she stood in silence because she was shocked and didn't know what to say?

Perhaps she gave birth alone, or her partner wasn't much use and in wrong-headed way she was trying support you?

I don't think you would have gained anything by telling her to fuck off. I certainly don't think it's worth letting the incident 'taint your experience'.
I wonder if she's become the focus of the stress around what sounds like a harrowing, distressing birth. It's already tainted by trauma, as many births are, I think she's a bit by the by.

Perhaps you could email her that you're freaked out by her turning up at the birth and you need some space. And then decide if you ever want to speak to her again, which you don't have to.

Twinklestein · 26/06/2015 18:54

Xposts!

Tequilashotfor1 · 26/06/2015 18:54

prepper are you kidding?!

Yeah she prob was horrified - she shouldn't have been there. She lied.

iamwomanhearmesnore · 26/06/2015 18:54

Whew, hugely inappropriate of her. Is there any way there could have been a massive misunderstanding - maybe someone assuming she was your sister or family? As someone else said, perhaps she thought she was being ushered into a room where you'd be sitting up cuddling your baby?

On the other hand if she actually lied and said she was your birth partner, knowing you were in crisis, that is unforgiveable.

I would be tempted to have it out with her - not necessarily in a confrontational way but telling her you have been troubled and upset by it ever since and how exactly did she end up in that room at that time? Let her explain herself and see what she says.

I had fairly straightforward births but also ended up shaking with adrenaline and honestly if a casual acquaintance had popped in at that moment, I would have been totally thrown so I don't think you're overreacting at all.

Tequilashotfor1 · 26/06/2015 18:55

Why would the mid wife assume a random woman is the birth partner of someone labouring with out being told?

Twinklestein · 26/06/2015 18:55

Ah right she def lied - that's really bizarre.

prepperpig · 26/06/2015 18:56

If she lied her way in then yes that's clearly weird. If she didn't and the midwife just assumed by virtue of the fact that she was there so soon after the birth that she was family or a "birth partner" then that's a different matter.

Floggingmolly · 26/06/2015 18:58

I'm be so weirded out by this that I wouldn't have been able to see her again, tbh.
And the fact that she thinks she was "there for you"... She hasn't a bloody clue just how inappropriate it was, does she?

iamwomanhearmesnore · 26/06/2015 19:01

Sorry - x-post - so she did lie! In that case trust your instincts. As Trousers upthread said, often boundary-violators use crap about "misunderstandings" and "oversensitivity" to do what they do. Flowers op.

TrousersRoastingOnAnOpenFire · 26/06/2015 19:02

Yes but they wouldn't, prepper. Labour wards are very clued up on visitors being given access to labouring women/ women in recovery. On the pre & post natal wards it's less strict, but really, the woman had to have made a case for being allowed access. I've been a birth & recovery partner and there's no ushering in of random arrivals.

cornflakegirl · 26/06/2015 19:02

Surely if it had been a mistake she would be mortified and profusely apologetic?

Twinklestein · 26/06/2015 19:03

From the detail the OP now gives it sounds more likely that the friend lied.

But midwives are so over-worked that it's possible that in the frenzy of getting the baby to recus, and stitching up the OP, she didn't check thoroughly. No offence to midwives, mine were amazing, but I have friends whose midwives have made much worse mistakes than that.

You'd think if she'd told them she was a birth partner she'd have walked in and acted like one. Standing stock still may have been because she was shocked herself.

Cretaceous · 26/06/2015 19:06

"a midwife came in and was quite insistent that she told them she was my birth partner and they wouldn't have let her in otherwise."

But you really need to hear your friend's side, because what the midwife said may not be true. She may have been mistaken, or lied to cover herself. It may have been a total misunderstanding - perhaps a mix-up with another person giving birth. Until you manage to talk to her, you won't know. (I once got into a work top-secret place, because I was meeting a friend, and security just ushered me in because they were rubbish, then tried to blame me for the security breech, when I didn't even know it was top security.)

reallybadday · 26/06/2015 19:06

Yes she may have lied to get in or maybe a midwife lied to cover her own back. You know her and we don't. Is this the kind of thing she would do?
You really need to speak to someone professional about the feelings you have surrounding your DCs birth. I definitely think that it has caused some lingering issues which you now, rightly or wrongly, associate with this friend.

fairyfuckwings · 26/06/2015 19:07

It was a really weird thing for her to do but it sounds like she's normally a good friend and just seriously misjudged this one. Really seriously misjudged it! Do you think you could raise it with her to clear the air?

BerylStreep · 26/06/2015 19:08

I think it would also be good to discuss with the hospital.

There could be some learning from them too - i.e. to check people's stories before they are admitted to a delivery room.

It sounds awful, and really inappropriate. I find it odd that she has never addressed it with you, explained, or apologised.

QuintShhhhhh · 26/06/2015 19:08

How weird.

Clearly she knew you would not be in bed snuggling a newborn, then she would have said that she had come to visit mother and baby, not that she was your birth partner, ie expected to take part in the birthing experience.

Massive invasion of privacy!

WLTMEET · 26/06/2015 19:09

I also think you're projecting, sorry. I totally hear you that it was an awful experience but I don't think your friend is to blame. At worst she was perhaps too hasty, or thoughtless. At best she thought you were sat up in bed cuddling your new born.

VivaLeBeaver · 26/06/2015 19:11

Just because the midwife said she was your birth partner doesn't mean the friend said that.

Sometimes on a labour ward it can be chinese whispers. A vistor buzzes and says to the receptionist that she's here to see X, receptionist goes to find X's midwife to see if she's ok for visitors. She can't find the right midwife, tells another midwife who goes and tells the right midwife and at some point the visitor has been upgraded to a sister/birth partner/mother. It's not good but it does occasionally happen.

My first thought on reading your post is that you went through a very traumatic time and yes that you're blaming some of your feelings on this woman. It's easier to have these feelings if you can blame someone/think someone else caused it rather than analysing what actually caused you to feel like this?

This woman had no idea what she was going to walk into and yes while most people would wait for an invite she could well have thought she'd be getting a cuddle with a new baby. So lapse of judgement about coming so soon, yes Id say so.

Would you still feel the way you do about her turning up if your baby hadnt needed to be resuscitated? If by the time she had turned up baby was an hour old and you hadn't needed stitches but we're there having a cuddle?

I'm not saying you'd have welcomed her with open arms but you might not have the same strength of feelings against her?

fairyfuckwings · 26/06/2015 19:11

Sorry massively cross posted! There was only 1 reply when I first started typing but kept getting distracted!

WLTMEET · 26/06/2015 19:11

And yes- you need her side of the story. Midwives lied through their teeth when I was in labour. Denied me the waterbirth I had planned and said all sorts of crap about the pool being broken/understaffed/not booked/overbooked. They are amazing yes, but like anyone in a stressful job can mess up.

VivaLeBeaver · 26/06/2015 19:13

And I do think the hospital staff let you down. I've stopped mothers coming into labour rooms after their dd has just given birth. I've left them outside on the corridor while I go and make sure the woman is ok for visitors. And if she's still getting cleaned up, etc I tell her she has visitors but that I'll tell them to wait while she gets sorted (unless she's keen for them to come in Regardless).

QuintShhhhhh · 26/06/2015 19:14

Would they really let a visitor in to not just the labour ward, but the room where a woman was giving birth, and in the process of stitching up, just because this person said she was here to see "x"??

Does that really happen? Would they not ask the visitor to go sit down and wait while they find out if the birthing mother is ready for visitors?