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Support for those in emotionally abusive relationships - thread 31

784 replies

CharlotteCollins · 21/04/2015 15:54

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
A check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Why financial abuse is domestic violence Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
Warning signs you’re dating a loser Exactly what it says on the tin

Books:

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie If you’re a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being co-dependent!

Websites:

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out - You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
Heart to heart - a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

What couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
Should I Stay or Should I Go bonus materials This is a site containing material for men who want to change - please don’t give him the link - print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
What you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
Georgialass · 09/04/2016 09:02

I have finally left the bastard! Although it has been very hard and traumatic, the relief is indescribable. I would rather live in poverty than live with that spoilt, entitled twat another day. He has ground me down over two decades and he is not getting any more of my precious life.

Sorry to hear you are struggling FV45, living with men like these suck the joy out of life. Do you have a plan to leave him?

melb14 · 09/04/2016 09:11

Hey, FV45. We're here and listening. Some days are Shit. Sounds like you're having one now. Just keep breathing deep breaths. It physically helps you deal with stress. I'm sorry, I can't see your back story. Is your partner still around? Here all day for you if you need to vent. Flowers

melb14 · 09/04/2016 09:13

Georgia, yayyyyyyyyy!!!!!!! Well done you!!!! If you find the next few days rocky, don't worry, that's really normal. You've done the hardest thing that probably seemed impossible a year ago. Bloody brilliant. Are you in the house or out? CakeWine

Georgialass · 09/04/2016 09:29

Thanks melb14!! I actually feel like laughing, because I am so happy I have left!

Unfortunately he is in our lovely family home and I am in refuge for the time being. I won't deny that it has been the hardest thing I've ever done. The first few days I was a complete mess. I am only just beginning to see how awful he was and how much I put up with.

He is now trying every trick in the book to bring me back into line. But I will never go back to him no matter how difficult life is at the moment. He has car, money, everything. I feel free!

melb14 · 09/04/2016 09:42

Ah Georgia, I'm sending an enormous hug and grin. That's just completely brilliant and you've set my day on a victorious path! I know what it takes to make that decision and I'm soooo happy for you. Keep posting on here as you go through the next few days and we'll walk with you so you have company if you need it. :))) WineWineWine

melb14 · 09/04/2016 09:44

(PS your freedom is worth a million cars or houses or wallets. This, I'm afraid, is his loss, and your absolute gain.) :)

FV45 · 09/04/2016 10:32

Divorce has been going on since Jan 2015.

He won't leave until he is made to.

I can get ex parte non-mol but probably not occ order.

Georgialass · 09/04/2016 10:33

Thanks melb! It is really appreciated. Even though I have a cold coming on, limited clothes and money and I have lost weight through the stress, it is still worth it.

How I have put up with his crap for all these years, I'll never know. The anger I feel towards him is spurring me on to keep going. I know my life can only get better!

FV45 · 09/04/2016 10:48

Lots of my back story is in another thread "the ignoring.....gaaaa" in Relationships.

ColaSpangles · 09/04/2016 12:22

Hey Geogia congratulations on your brave move! I too am freshly out after similar period in mental gaol! It sucks that we have to leave these fws in our family homes though, grr.

FV so sorry things are bad atm. Can you say more or is it too risky? Thinking of you and sending strength.

Peggy I so know where you're coming from. I had those thoughts too. You will find a way, have faith in yourself. We are here to help and listen - all been through it and know how bloody hard it is to get out.

melb14 · 09/04/2016 12:22

Georgia, you sound like you'll barrel through the ups and Downs of what you describe given what you've survived. :) hang on in there and never ever doubt you can do this and find safer, happier, fully free ground to thrive on....

FV45 this sounds grim. I'll hunt out your back story. Right now are you getting the support you need locally? I had to put up with my ex staying for an unexpected 3 months after I'd asked him to leave...I can't imagine what over a year is doing to you. You def need him out: what help do you must need to make that happen for you? Sending big hug and strength. Flowers

ColaSpangles · 09/04/2016 12:25

Georgia I'm also having every trick in the book thrown at me - changing face on hourly basis.

Georgialass · 09/04/2016 13:42

Hey Cola, it does indeed suck that they are sitting pretty in the family home and he also appears to be gaining sympathy. He has shown his true colours via text to me. His array of tactics is mind boggling. It is going to be a very long journey I think.

FV45, I have read your thread and it sounds a grim situation. These guys are not real men, just power mad losers who want to wear us down. Hugs to you and I hope you find a solution, I know how daunting it all is.

Melb14, thanks for your support. I think he will stoop to anything to get me back under control. There is no turning back for me now. I just wish I could fast forward into a happier future.

melb14 · 09/04/2016 14:49

You will all get there!!!

I don't know if this is of any use to anyone, but after a face full of abuse via text, I drafted a letter to say that I would maintain contact where it was necessary (his belongings, children etc ) but on the basis of no verbal abuse or bullying; that I had sent a copy of the letter to various (unnamed) friends and family; and that any response he gave would also be shown to them. I have not yet needed to send it (to him or anyone else) but it gave me a huge boost in being able to take control of the bullying dynamic. They assume they can say what they want becos no one else can hear or see and I decided to grab that assumed turn it round.

I don't know if this is helpful, but if an ex is bullying or abusing verbally and you have a support network you can call on, this might be a way to halt the vitriol arriving in your message box.

All views welcome on this as I know it won't suit all, but I found even drafting the letter made me feel MUCH more in control and not having just to silently and secretly get walloped when he never spoke to other people like that and people generally saw him as only polite and caring in public. :)

FV45 · 09/04/2016 19:47

mel I am beyond that. I have lots of support (thank goodness). They know what he's like (only because I told them, they don't see it at all - well they hardly see him at all since my social life has been run entirely without him).
He doesn't care what people think - if they challenge him he just cuts them out of his life. Needless to say he had very few family and friends.

I will serve him with an ex parte non-mol order if this carries on.

FV45 · 09/04/2016 22:11

Thank you for your support. It does mean a lot to me.
mel I do have lots of local support, I really do. Many evenings I have turned up sobbing at my friend's house, or called her to calm me down and she has been brilliant.

If I didn't have my friends (and my family, but they are further away) and my running I think I would have had a breakdown.

I nearly reversed into someone in a car park today. She had to bang on the car. I am just not myself.

I am also cross today because I know if I visit my GP they will offer my anti-Ds. I've got nothing against them, but it angers me that one of the "solutions" to get me through this terrible time is to use medication, when I know (because I have had windows of it) when he is gone I will be fine. It's not fair.

melb14 · 11/04/2016 22:35

Hi, FV, Nope, it's not. It's medicalising this. You wouldn't need the drugs if he just bloody stopped being an arse. Arghh.

And nope, you won't be yourself while you're going through all this, I reckon if you manage to leave the house with clean pants on you're doing well, so don't give yourself a hard time. :) :) :)

Georgia: it will go faster than you think! Next week it's six months since he finally left. And I will be celebrating with friends. :) :)

Thinking of you all loads. :)

Wine Flowers Wine

melb14 · 11/04/2016 22:43

One more point: just for us all to bear in mind. We all disguise who we are, but this is an open forum. Last week Women's Aid tweeted out a shocking but important blog from a women called Mandy Thomas who was written an amazing book about her successful escape from a highly abusive relationship. This tweet linked back to Mumsnet. (a different thread from this one). It struck me that I felt uncomforrtable about this as although I wanted as many people as possible to read the blog, I didn't want the fact that Mumsnet talks about abusive relationships broadcast too far and wide, for obvious reasons.

I did in fact write to WA about this, and they in fact got back to me this evening so say that they had passed on my email to Mumsnet. I'm sure it's appropriate to post their response below, so here it is:

"I hope you are well. Your email was passed along to me – I am the media officer at Women’s Aid.

Unfortunately, we can’t not tweet the link to the blog post by Mandy on Mumsnet because that is where it is published, and it is not anywhere else. However, we discussed your concerns with Mumsnet and they asked me to pass along the below message:

“In terms of concerns about safety, we always advise posters to remember that it's an open forum, to bear in mind that anyone could be reading it, and not to give more of themselves than they're comfortable with. While Mumsnet is a place where women give and receive invaluable support, ultimately it's not a secure site as anyone can read it, so we can't guarantee users' security, and they need to bear that in mind when they use it.”

I hope that is ok – let me know if any other queries.

Best wishes,

Alice".

I understand the point being made, but it did make me feel uneasy, and I thought it best to share with all. Hope this is useful, rather than just tricky for all.

Sending big hugs to all of you. None of us are ever alone. x :)

FV45 · 12/04/2016 09:31

Thanks mel

ColaSpangles · 12/04/2016 15:43

Thanks Mel. Good to keep that in mind.

UnRavellingFast · 28/09/2017 22:31

Hello to anyone out there suffering. I'm a name changed old poster from here. This thread saved me and helped me leave. If you're trapped in an abusive relationship, have a read of these threads, they're amazing and eye opening. It woke me up and made me "see the light"!!

I feel sad this thread has lapsed because it's saved so many and been such an outlet for people suffering, so I thought I'd post and see if there was anybody out there.

lollipop7 · 28/09/2017 23:09

@UnRavellingFast I was wondering how you were! Hope all is well

UnRavellingFast · 28/09/2017 23:40

Hi Lollipop doing well and had some helpful support to get my head straight. Thank you!

playmistyforme · 29/09/2017 20:08

@UnRavellingFast that's great news, take care 👍🏻

playmistyforme · 29/09/2017 20:08

Sorry name change