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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

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mineofuselessinformation · 05/01/2015 22:40

Bloody electronic devices.... SHS.

WellWhoKnew · 05/01/2015 22:55

Hobbit I'll 'fully and frankly' disclose that on January 13th. Just like the Armeggedon plan. Until then, I'll keep stumm. RL and all that inconvenience....

Getthe, great question! Yes I have considered it, and we all felt that his treatment at the FDA was 'overfair' to be honest. But, this time is Grumpy Gudge - and Grumpy Gudge is a very angry man who does not tolerate fools at all. If you'd heard, as I did, as STBXH did, the bollocking he gave to the award-winning SHB at the beginning of the hearing, you'd understand just why I know I'm in capable hands. She apologised. She did her job. I got 96% of my claim, and he had to pay my costs. That is almost unheard of. STBXH handed in his arse on my plate.

But yes, what you write is the fear that keeps one awake at night (until a couple of weeks ago, when the zombie plan initiated itself). I am one of those people who is 'eminently pragmatic', calm, gets on with shit, always looks at the bright side of life, and laughs at the irony. I am one of those who has lived an extraordinary life and survived. Sometimes only just. So, no, I don't always know what the future holds but I'm going to just give it my best shot. And never stop trying even when it's bloody hard.

But, yes, you make a valid point. But I'm me. I get over shit, in my own way, in my own inimitable style, and with my own resources. MN has been my coping mechanism - and those behind the scenes (and on them) are a massive part of that. I cannot ever say thank you enough. I hope that answers your question.

Now let us pray.

Dear

Please do not let Grumpy Gudge get flu, have another stroke, a real heart condition between now and when this is all over. Please let this very miserable, sour, impatient, utterly horrible judge be available to manage my divorce.

Because he is a very wise man. And I luffs him.

Amen.

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WellWhoKnew · 05/01/2015 23:05

Mine [with full on tongue in cheek, wink and smile] I am going to vociferously attack your post. I don't have an SHS. I have a SHL! I am going to be pedantic about that. SHL is somewhat pissed off at shs, and ironically, I'm going to defend her on here 'bout that!

'Cos she's lovely. She drinks wine and smokes fags. And supplies tea. She's quite the woman for me!

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DespicableMeh · 05/01/2015 23:52

Delinking to wish you patience, sanity and enough gin to get through the next seven days. Have kept up with your thread since inception and hope GG makes a considered and fair award (obviously in your favour!).

Enjoy your sleeping affliction, I myself have had one for a while and am typing whilst waiting on some hypnotic sleepy drugs to kick in. It's been about 2.5 hours, I think they may have gotten lost. Anyway koko - you do it so fabulously!

thiskiwicanfly · 06/01/2015 00:18

Nearly there WWK and in such style. I hope the gin and bubbles are both on ice for next week.

mineofuselessinformation · 06/01/2015 06:47

Ooops! Blush

ptumbi · 06/01/2015 08:32

WWK - you are not really thinking of an adjournment? I don't think we could stand it! I want to know what the woooman said, for one thing. And I don't want GG to have another stroke Grin

Hopefully not long now

WellWhoKnew · 06/01/2015 08:41

Exactly my thoughts yesterday when I got home, Ptumbi - When does this end? But if that's what we have to do, that's what we have to do. Will find out later. My nerves yesterday were shot to pieces last night. But I've slept well and I'm "karma" today!

The Woomen said many mysterious things...both of them, the same thing! Which was there was going to be some prevarication and that I was born to be a good communicator. Which just proves it's all a load of bollocks!

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AcrossthePond55 · 06/01/2015 13:56

Thank you for the vocabulary lesson. So many of our words derive from the Latin. Here's another one: The term VSTBXH is derived from the Latin 'Cuntus Maximus'. It is defined as 'a common and useful term for (insert name of your ex here)'.

Rock on! Yay for Grumpy Gudge. May he live long in good health!

For good or ill, soon it will be over. Even if you don't get 100%, you will be fine and he will be out of your life. That's the most important part of this whole thing.

adorably2014 · 06/01/2015 14:14

Just wanted to say good luck WWK. I hope you get the outcome you need, deserve and want after all this time, and many thanks for the book title. I've finally got it.

WellWhoKnew · 06/01/2015 16:06

Right-o...

The decision to adjourn has been adjourned. This is NOT prevarication this is because we break our backs being reasonable 'cos I is the unreasonable one innit.

I thought I'd had a nervous breakdown months ago! Turns out I didn't know the meaning of nervous! Do now.

mine all is forgiven!

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PlumpingUpPartridge · 06/01/2015 18:00

So you're not adjourning? It's all going as per the original plan?

Very exciting/nerve-wracking. Have some Wine

Karenthetoadslayer · 06/01/2015 18:29

Just thinking that he may want you to adjourn, because he is then hoping for another judge? I take it that VSTBEXH is not keen on GG?

WellWhoKnew · 06/01/2015 18:53

He doesn't want to adjourn. The other side will fight tooth and nail any attempt by us to adjourn. That we know for a fact. The risk, of course, is that if we apply to adjourn, and fail, then I would have to pay his wasted costs. Make you sick thinking about it, don't it?

However, if we can prove I won't get a fair trial because of his behaviour in December, then he might get my costs...but only might.

Toss a coin to predicting the outcome.

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getthefeckouttahere · 06/01/2015 19:09

Gald to hear that WWW. I just would hate for you to be completely shell shocked after the hearing.

Unfortunately i know a few people who were treated so badly bt the legal system that they will remain bitter about it till the end of time!

mineofuselessinformation · 06/01/2015 20:49

Sorry that you feel so uncertain.
The finish line is in sight now, don't start to doubt things. You have us all, SHB, and very likely GG on your side.
Whatever he throws at you now, GG will know about it and see through it.
KOKO. And have a few gins! Smile

AcrossthePond55 · 06/01/2015 21:08

Things are getting down to the wire. Naturally you are becoming anxious, and he is getting even more obnoxious. That's just par for the course.

He knows his days are numbered. And like any cornered animal he will try to fight, kick, and 'snarl' his way out even to the extent of damaging his own case.

All you need do is sit quietly, listen to SHL and SHB, and do what they tell you.

All will be well. Have faith.

MsIngaFewmarbles · 07/01/2015 19:25

Wow WWK what an amazing woman you are. Hoping all goes well for you next week.

mineofuselessinformation · 07/01/2015 22:23

Another day ticked off, another day closer to the end of this.
KOKO.

mineofuselessinformation · 08/01/2015 22:25

Just checking in WWK. Still here and thinking of you.

CookieDoughKid · 08/01/2015 22:48

Hang in there!! Not long and keep calm. Its going to be over soon and no matter what happens, you'll be divorced. Hurrah for that!!

WellWhoKnew · 09/01/2015 12:47

Dear VSTBXH

I am writing to apologise for my tardiness. As you know, I really don't like sloppy timekeeping or disorganisation. I like to do things according to the 'roolz'. Because, I am a sensible, boring, straightforward person deep down.

As such, I am now writing to you slightly unexpectedly, but it is now a mere five working hours until D-Day. And it's Friday after all, the day that the "office" in my household opens for divorcing business.

The first task of the day was the onerous task of making a final telephone call to the lovely SHL as we make the final plans for the final hearing.

Following this, I gainfully employed myself as a domestic worker, by tidying up my lovely home, which I saw earlier this week, you have again ordered me out of.... These days, I don't take your decrees seriously but laugh in face of cognitive arseholiance.

Following this, I ventured out to to the big bad world for an appointment with Ms Sanity Check, and I'm pleased to report that I am bone fida healthy and normal for a woman under acute stress married to a psychopath with a heart condition FROM WHICH IS GOING TO DROP DOWN DEAD AT ANY MOMENT IN TIME.

After that, I was going to fulfil my 'lady who lunches' persona by grabbing a quick sandwich in town, but given the disturbing revelations in your bank accounts, that in fact, despite informing the court at the Fuckwits Demonstrate Arseholiance hearing, you were leaving the area, you remained close by for a further three days. So decided, given I know where you likely are staying, I'm probably safest returning to my home, which you have yet again ordered me out of..., to wait out the time until I can be a lady who does afternoon tea with her lovely SHL.

I am now, some five hours away, in working hours, and I've just been emailed by the lovely SHL:

  1. Questionnaire v4
  2. Schedule of Deficiencies v2

So this busy little administrator is just checking the court order. Yep, deadline for 1) was definitely last year. Yep, deadline for 2) was definitely soooo last year.

It is now four hours, fifteen minutes until working hours cease, and I'm terribly sorry, but I must be a lady who lunches, and then go and be a lady who does afternoon tea with a SHL who describes herself, politely as 'extremely irritated', I empathise. And besides, we all know you're very pissed off, you don't need to keep proving your cognitive arseholiance. We diagnosed that six months ago.

Apparently, my purchase of £451 in late November has caused you 'great distress'. You have decreed that I explain 'myself' for that, and for around 150 other transactions in my bank account since August. Unfortunately, I don't have to - it is my money to decide what to do with...You dismissed yourself as Master of My World.

Incidentally, it was for this shiny new laptop.

I particularly like the keys, they spell Fuck Off.

Woman. Likes tea.

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Sophrosyne · 09/01/2015 12:51

Brilliant! I have been following your struggles and fortitude the whole way. Well done you! You have given me hope and strength when I thought I had none (on my own similar journey). Thank you and I will be thinking of you on D day and cheering you on! Thanks

WellWhoKnew · 09/01/2015 12:57

Oh, and that other payment. That was my compensation from the other idiot who caused me grief last year. I didn't put it into the escrow account, because I was the victim. Crimes against your wife don't count as a 'marital asset' to be fought over: this benefits you, because you won't be paying me any compensation for being a disgusting human being. That's how the law works, like it or not. Thems the 'roolz'.

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PlumpingUpPartridge · 09/01/2015 13:08

I love how constructively pissed off you sound now, WWK. Rock on Grin