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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
Karenthetoadslayer · 31/12/2014 10:29

Hope that in two weeks time your migraine will be gone for good, WWK.

This is 2nd degree physical abuse, in my opinion. Flowers

thatsnotmynamereally · 31/12/2014 11:03

2 weeks is no time at all WWK. In the spirit of the Gin Advent calendar perhaps you can do your own anticipation-countdown for the remaining days using the drink of your choice? Or burn a lovely scented candle to represent a light at the end of the tunnel! (I'm sure it's not totally the end in 2 weeks but a milestone worth celebrating...)

AcrossthePond55 · 31/12/2014 13:44

Hic! You mean I'm supposed to have 13 little bottles left? Hic. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,…….damn. Well, off to the store for me!

I think your migraines will probably disappear on 12 January. Even though you're ready for the divorce and all, there's bound to be some tension and nerves before it's all over. Hope Dr Friend gets you feeling better sooner than that.

It's been a long journey, but you're almost there.

mineofuselessinformation · 31/12/2014 21:55

Hey, WWK, I've been busy with RL, but wanted to wish you a Happy New Year.
I know you've got a bit of a road ahead, but this is the year of change, the year when there is no more uncertainty....
A time for you to make plans for you, a time for you to get to know you again. Lots of good things!
I'm raising a glass to you tonight, to wish you all the best (and more) for this coming year.

WellWhoKnew · 31/12/2014 23:59

Dear VSTBXH,

I've made my new year's resolutions. What about you?

I have decided to give up "Woo" as my new year's resolution. And husbands.

Apparently, it's written in the stars I am going to have a fab year. I've read your horoscope too. Yeah, not so good. Never mind. Sure you will get over it. But them celestial stars keep crashing. Inter-galatic wars will always break out, I guess.

Oh, and I'm getting over you too. I am so doing the double whammy this year. Like last year, when I decided to give up fags and gin.

Only this year, I'm going to bloody do it!

No choice really.

We are both veering back to planet earth at a rate of knots from the parallel universe that is divorce. Who will have the controlled landing? Who will crash and burn? Both? Neither? Something in between?

But what's so odd is that I'm even about it all. Never thought I would be. But, you know, yes it's going to be tough - but hey, it can't be harder than it's been. Or more flaccid than I've been.

I'm no longer a face full of snot. I have my very own 'sleeping disorder' in that I can't get enough of it. Sleeping. I mean sleeping not the metaphorical 'sleeping disorder'. Nor the meteorological sleeping disorder. Not the "I'm fucking a lot of women behind your back 'sleeping disorder'". Yes, we know all about that now.

That was your choice. Not mine.

The truth outs. The truth for me is the cellulite has vanished. Within a month I won't be paying someone £300 per hour for shits and giggles. I'll just be relatively skint and okay about it. Within a month, I will be all independent woman. Slightly haggard. Somewhat cantankerous. With cats. A bit of debt. And a lot of 'fuck you'. Oh, and some wee liquidity issues.

Just getting on a bit. As you do. Well I do. Left to make my own choices.

After all, you ended your email of yonderyear with the words: 'Your choice'. Preceding that, you said it was my decision whether or not you got your own legal team. But that you would if I persisted with mine. That was way back in the days of decree, and I was a face full of snot. You warned me it would come out of the marital pot. Well you didn't get your own legal team. And you got your maths wrong. It cost you 3K, not 2K, like you said it would. And that came out of your earnings. Not the marital pot.

So, apparently, you can be wrong about things. But hey, you keep up with your righteous indignation.

I'll just KOKO.

I'll be okay though. No more. No less. Got my rights. Got my responsibilities. The balance is merely to be put right again.

And I'm quite even these days. But just so y'know.

Should Old Acquaintance be forgot,
and never thought upon;
The flames of Love extinguished,
and fully past and gone:
Is thy sweet Heart now grown so cold,
that loving Breast of thine;
That thou canst never once reflect
On Old long syne.

I will always have wine. And time to whine. But you. Nope, you can just fuck off. And Robert Burns never wrote them words. He merely recited them.

Isn't every day a school day?

Woman. Doing okay. All things considered.

Dear Grumpy Gudge.

I promise you I am not a bad woman. A misunderstood one. 'Tis all. My husband does not understand me. This has given me a sleeping disorder.

Please take pity on me. Hell, I'll invite you to my pity party if you want.

And please make me an ex-wife. I so want to be free of this headfuck of a man. Especially as the migraine pills cost a freaking fortune. Cheaper than testosterone though. I've done the maths.

Thank you in advance.

Woman. Needs independence. Needs sanity. Wants gin. I know I'm a 'needs' based case. Need you to make it happen. Will forego the gin. And the fags. But please I don't want to live in a cardboard box. Or a fucking caravan for that matter. Think cats would prefer cardboard box given the choice.

I like houses. Proper ones. That are built solid. No wheels. Just so you know.

Dear Good People of Mumsnet.

Thank you but I think you are all a bit wrong in the head. New Year starts January 13th.

But thank you all the same. Can celebrate with any religion. Even non Beliebers and those with No Direction. Wink

I'm down with them pesky kids, me.

Take care. Have a fab year. I'm working on mine.

Just gotta get a job. Then all is well with the world. Preferable not in Kabul as his Lordship has suggested.

Take care.

WWK.

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AltheaVestrit · 01/01/2015 00:07

WWK

I luffs you a little bit.

X

Happy most of 2015

IDeserveMore · 01/01/2015 01:12

Am going to wish you a happy start to 2015, and then a happy new abso-bloodly-lutely everything in12 days!
Think I may have slightly drunk my body weight in prosecco tonight, but as I have, thanks to my stbxfw, been on the divorce diet for 4 months now, that is little over 7 stone. So I am now officially also a cheap date!
Xxx

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 01/01/2015 01:24

Wishing you the happiest of New Years for the 13th.

May Grumpy Gudge be at his Grumpiest as far as the fuckwitted one is concerned - is he empowered to imprison him for being contemptible in court?

AcrossthePond55 · 01/01/2015 02:16

Well, the new year is still about 6 hours away where I am. But a happy one to you WWK. You can have my best wishes now (a tad late in your time zone), 6 hours from now, or 12 days from now. Or all three!!

Dear WWK's soon to be x-arsehole, although you'll still be an arsehole, just not hers;
My dear mother has always told me that I should never ill-wish someone. That ill wishes come home to roost. So I'll just say "May the new year bring you everything you so richly deserve."

Paperblank · 01/01/2015 09:56

Happy New Year!!

Don't try and trick me WWK! I know it's new years day because I have a champagne hangover and an ashtray for a mouth.

I will be more than happy to celebrate "the new year" and your new life with you on D -Day.

x

Anniegetyourgun · 01/01/2015 10:03

I'm a little bit sorry for STBXH. For one thing, he has just willfully ditched the most amazing, brilliant, loyal wife a FW ever had. His choice, but as life-changing mistakes go, a doozy. And for another thing, WWK will be free of his fuckwittery very shortly, but he will always have to live with himself. No possibility of escape this side of the grave. Poor sod.

He will also be very, very angry at whatever the court awards his ex wife - even if it's only tuppence ha'penny and a spot of jam - anything at all that he has not decreed she should have. However, notwithstanding his precarious health condition FROM WHICH HE MAY etc, I suspect he will survive it. Which in his case is not necessarily a good thing (see first paragraph).

NettleTea · 01/01/2015 14:09

Happy new year, and just a few days more until its a Happy new Life as well

inlectorecumbit · 01/01/2015 14:19

Happy new Year WWK and almost happy new life--you rock Grin

WellWhoKnew · 05/01/2015 17:31

Dear VSTBXH

I have been thinking quite a bit about prevaricating lately. I have learnt, amongst many, many other things, in the last eight months that prevaricating is somehow routed in Latin. It refers to straddling things, but in legal language, to somehow collude with an opponent's advocate.

And if you don't believe me, take a look for yourself.

1575-85; < Latin praev?ric?tus, past participle of praev?ric?r? to straddle something, (of an advocate) collude with an opponent's advocate, equivalent to prae- pre- + v?ric?re to straddle, derivative of v?rus bent outwards, bow-legged

So, I am currently prevaricating, just as I'm about to read your latest bank statements of doing some prevaricating. I mean wouldn't it be nice to do some prevaricating and find an adult with whom to commit some adultery. It's one way of wasting time, after all. And it's fun.

I was also thinking about your prevaricating, especially as I was on my journey home having had a little afternoon tea with the lovely SHL. What the fuck do you think you're playing at? Seriously? You chose this fucking final hearing and now you're fucking prevaricating? Again?

Well, listen, "love" for once and for all - we aren't joking when we write, without undue hesitation or prevarication, that we have not received any responses from you, aside from your bank account information, regarding eight letters sent between the 1st of December and now. And, yes, the fucking maintenance is prevaricating too, huh? You know, how I've got to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, in seven days? Yeah. I shall tell Mr Grumpy Gudge, as indeed it is he, in no uncertain terms that you are a cunt. Well, actually, the lovely SHB will do on my behalf, but only in more legaltastic terms, obviously.

And one more thing about prevaricating. By this time tomorrow, we will have either submitted to Mr Grumpy Gudge, as indeed it is most definitely he, one of two documents. The bundle with all your disclosures or an application to adjourn.

The choice, as you'd say, is yours.

And yes, it will cost you. Like last time, when you prevaricated, obfuscated and deliberated.

We don't piss off judges deliberately. We don't lie. I don't commit adultery and I am fucking brilliant at prevarication.

Woman, getting on with shit.

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Nevergrowingup · 05/01/2015 17:47

Extending a virtual hand of support WWK to give you strength to wade through his tangled web of lies. You are brilliant - prevarication now added to the list - but most importantly you are under no illusions about the person you are dealing with. He, however, has underestimated you.

And the judicial system.

WellWhoKnew · 05/01/2015 17:53

Not fucking half. He also informed the judicial system he had an important business meeting overseas and so couldn't stay for the FDA for the full day as he had to go to the airport.

And yet, he remained in my home town for three days. How fucking scary is that? I shall be vigilant the next few days, that's for sure.

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Nevergrowingup · 05/01/2015 18:02

Oh... an important business meeting. That old chestnut?

My DH travels abroad and has important business meetings the dates of which are negotiated amongst the attendees. They can be changed - things change.

In general, a senior executive (or equivalent) can manage their diary. Or has his sense of self importance left the building with his ego?

Karenthetoadslayer · 05/01/2015 18:06

Oh good news - it's Grumpy Gudge! Smile

Karenthetoadslayer · 05/01/2015 18:08
Nevergrowingup · 05/01/2015 18:11

Meant to add... yes, remain vigilant but don't change anything you are doing. You are travelling in the right direction. Look on the next few days like the hazard perception test for new drivers. There may be some red herrings but trust your instincts about how he operates.

You are close to the end and that in itself is scary. Trust yourself, trust your legal team and don't trust him. x

WellWhoKnew · 05/01/2015 20:10

Dear VSTBXH,

Back again. Thought I should have mentioned that back in WooVember, notwithstanding my little foray into the dark arts of VooDooism, I indulged in a clairvoyant or two, at the suggestion of some MNetters, and I though 'why not', what a laugh.

Thinking now, I should probably not give up Woo after all. They speak more clearly and accurately than you do.

Spooky stuff. The Woo, not the gin.

Woman, definitely losing her marbles. Oh, well. Possibly seven days away from sanity. Possibly not.

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Hobbitwife001 · 05/01/2015 21:05

Oh Well, you can't tease us with tales of Woo, and not tell us what she said! I'll have to go and have a gin now to calm down, maybe if I look into the bottle of Bombay sapphire long enough I will be able to see into your future, a future without any more litigation hell. Seven days :)

veryseriousgirl · 05/01/2015 21:09

WWK, have been lurking for ages. I am so impressed by your calm in the face of adversity and the way you manage to find humour in the most dire situations. You are an inspiration! Counting down your seven days with you.

getthefeckouttahere · 05/01/2015 21:32

Dear WWW,

long time lurker and occasional poster on your thread.

Have you considered the impact of a hearing where you are not happy with how things are resolved? Despite all your VSTBXH cuntishness that he may be given an over fair hearing and possibly have the grumpy Gudge over on a point or two? Possibly that you don't get your fair share?

How would you feel if that happened? I hope beyond hope that it doesn't but i wondered if you had considered it. Given his appalling behaviour, general arseholeness and twattishness it would be a hard blow to take. But being the voice of pessimism and doom i always think its wise to look on the crap side of things!

mineofuselessinformation · 05/01/2015 22:39

7 days and this could be all over!
Focus on that.
And check in with your she's as to what will happen if the papers are a no-show.
You can survive a bit longer waiting if you need to - you've done it long enough. KOKO.

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