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Dear NSTBXH

991 replies

WellWhoKnew · 03/10/2014 17:01

Dear NSTBXH,

I was safely met at the court and walked up to team WWK's room, led by my solicitor, and followed by yours, who actually is a nice, smiley woman - good with children, I'd expect.

She has selected a barrister, who also has a face suitable for children, which is good, I think, given her specialism is y'know them little beings and what not.

But the bad news, the judge was a fellow barrister, and not a judge, just deputising for one. He specialises in...well you guessed it. Quite a cosy team they made too.

The lovely SHB, who is an attractive enough woman, but definitely would 'frighten the children', is just lovely (to me) was already there to meet me.

"Why I am here?" She asked as we entered the room.

'Cos I is getting divorced, innit?' I said, hopefully.

So off she popped to find a more sensible person.

But sadly came back with the news that the 'shb' doesn't know why she's here either.

Anyway off SHB went to do her thing in the corridor with 'shb', which is mostly just standing around chatting over our respective positions.

Mine was sitting down drinking tea, back to the door. I never got to see yours.

Your 'shb' submitted today was just a waste of time, so we should all just prepare for a Final Hearing. My SHB submitted that if you would like to make a reasonable offer, than something could be salvaged and we could spare ourselves the stress of litigation.

Ever pessimistic, SHL and I decided to attack your fourth Form E and start preparing for a Final Hearing, whilst we had SHB on board (and paid for).

Then 'shb' called out 'SHB', the latter being a very wise woman, may be a secret Mumsnetter. Well, Who knows? But she does know 'No' is a complete sentence.

Would I revise downward the maintenance?

No.

Apparently this was the wrong answer.

Would we treat this as a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness Session?

No.

Don't think you were overly chuffed at that either.

Would I at least discuss the maintenance pending suit being unfair?

No.

Seriously? No. Fuck off.

Would I provide the answers to the questionnaire today?

No.

It transpires you are very pissed off indeed, and feel very badly treated. Do I care?

Nope.

We asked that you would consider paying something towards the costs you have forced on to me.

Apparently, not.

We suggested that we ask the judge to grant a Legal Services Order, and informed them that we had proposed to submit a Wasted Costs Order.

So you agreed to release all the capital tied up in my solicitor's account to help me overcome the on-going problems you have been dumping on me since you left, and also to fund my legal fees.

Hallelujah!

So I can at least pay for today's waste of time.

So six hours sitting in a stuffy room, lots of giggles were had, and just one near cry.

The realisation that by you effectively spending all my Spousal Maintenance each month, and leaving me in a hell of a hole: all you have done, is pushed up my needs and proved it's inadequate, and left me sleepless for days at a time (including last night).

So SHB then went to tackle this.

You have agreed not to apply for the absolute until at the earliest next year. Should either of us feel the need to do otherwise, we go to prison.

It seems we are now in a forced marriage.

And one you must continue paying for until a court decides otherwise.

I bet you're furious.

Secondly, your spending is excessive. Your shifting of the assets and hiding them, has raised lots of questions. You have now signed undertakings to cease this 'master of the universe' behaviour.

Or go to prison.

Well done. You agree to unfreezing mine, and then got your own frozen.

We have agreed to have minimum contact, and only on very specific points. No more nonsense.

I can finally sleep at night knowing I can pay the bills in the short term, and your pestering of me must stop.

So there was lots of to-ing and fro-ing between the barristers (all three of them) whilst I drank tea, worked on your Form E v.4 with SHL.

It's entirely predictable that a Fuckwits Demonstrate Reasonableness is not going to be fruitful, and so finally your 'shb' informed the court that this was one of those 'exceptional cases' that doesn't get to have an FDR. But still we pushed for one, in the hope you would try and co-operate with this divorce you instigated.

But nope.

And so we now head into a Final Hearing instead. For me that's a good result (cheaper), but SHL and SHB not so much - they have to cancel their holidays.

The only winner of today was little old 'me'. The judge couldn't give a fuck, and the legal teams aren't happy at all with the proceedings. As for you?

I don't give a fuck.

We have a very strict timetable. Given we have met the previous timetable exactly as prescribed, and yours haven't - good luck with that. One deviance and the Final Hearing will be delayed. You have to rely on 'shs' now getting her act together.

Not.my.problem.com

Talking of whom, your smiley shs was pretty pissed off by the end of the day though, opening the door and slamming down paperwork. But the most amusing part was your barrister shouting at mine in the corridor.

Amazing how you make so many women miserable and antsy. Isn't it?

SHL and I were in fits of giggles. I only nearly broke down once today, and I can assure you it wasn't about you. It was about the hell of the last five months, the shocking way you left, and the endless misery of having to cope with it, the stunts you have pulled.

But the undertakings are so extensive, I know what I have to do in the five months to survive. I know what you can't do anymore. And I imagine you are furious you are going to have to keep me in my lovely home until at least then.

So I didn't see you today, other than the back of your head, as we were in a proper court room, which I didn't expect. The 'judge' asked you some questions and you spoke, but just like the last hearing, your disembodied voice isn't really that bothersome.

And so neither are my feelings about you these days.

And hilariously, the song on the radio as I came home:

I came in, checked my emails, and have received an email from the police regarding the other idiot who has caused me some grief this year, and who has been dealt with by the courts this week as well. It says,

Victim Support are able to offer you emotional and practical support, they can be contacted on 0845 6121 900

Thought you might make better use of it. I'm doing okay all things considered.

Wife, still getting divorced.

(Sorry good people of MN...I may be ranting on here for quite some time).

OP posts:
Karenthetoadslayer · 09/12/2014 22:32

shadow frozen leg of lamb is on the shopping list.

MrsC1969HJ · 09/12/2014 22:36

WWK, at least it buys some time for SHL and SHB to work their magic and indeed for NSTBXH to acquaint himself with the meaning of the words "court order". He won't get away with it....x

AcrossthePond55 · 09/12/2014 22:47

Note to self; order case of mint jelly for WWK's leg of lamb. Also order blow-dryer to expedite melting of icicles.

Seriously, 4pm one day before court. Really? I don't know who is more of an idiot, STBX or his shs. Mr or Madam Judge is really going to LOVE hearing about that when your SHB informs them of yet ANOTHER delay caused by STBX/shs as they didn't provide info as of the date ordered.

WellWhoKnew · 10/12/2014 03:54

Dear STBXH,

Have you shoved a pin in your WooDooVooDoo's brain?

The additional weight must be giving more substance to your stupidity.

If you have any demands regarding X you must communicate them to your solicitor.

You do realise you are decreeing that SHL must decree to your solicitor in defiance of the court order that I communicate on the issue that you got me court-ordered to.

Confused?

Let me clarify

Have you, in all total fucking seriousness, just decreed that I must defy the court order?

It was the only undertaking you got me to agree to. It is the only undertaking that specifically relates to me.

It has a penal notice attached to that court order.

I could (theoretically - but let's be melodramatic here!) go to prison if I don't "harrass" you on matters that you got me fucking ordered to! I refused to have anything to do with you - but the judge ruled I was the 'unreasonable one' on this issue.

I would prefer to be the unreasonable one. I like being unreasonable. It makes me feel sane.

But you got it fucking ordered that I should be reasonable.

Still, I remember the last time you got two emails in a day, you threatened me and the lovely SHL with a Non-Molestation Order.

Today, I have sent you two emails. Guess you'll be ringing 999 'bout now then.

I will admit that I have wittingly and knowingly (on this occasion) harassed you on matters relating to marital assets.

And by the way, in the SM hearing this matter was discussed: the SHB removed that particular cost from my MPS, with your agreement that you would pay costs associated to that marital asset.

Yet you remain the marital ass.

I remain the brains.

Thank fuck I think divorce is the best thing in the world.

PS Guessing that Schedule of Deficiencies has got your knickers in a knot then? Or have you had a case management meeting with your 'shb' and realised what a twat you've been and are now trying to make things even worse so that you can demonstrate to the court you are in fact not a twat.

But a complete arse.

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Didactylos · 10/12/2014 10:26

WWK, Im a lurker who has read your threads and wants to salute your wit, verve and humour in the face of concerted fuckwittery
I laughed out loud at this last update

surely at some point in time he will finally argue himself up his own fundament

IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 10/12/2014 11:16

Words fail me at his latest fuckwittery.

He is to be congratulated, it doesn't happen often.

dawntigga · 10/12/2014 14:42

thank fuck I had none of this with my divorce.

IThinkILuffYouATinyBitTiggaxx

WellWhoKnew · 10/12/2014 19:41

Dear 'shs'.

I am losing the will to live. There will be, quite frankly, a national shortage of gin soon.

Today you have sent me a 'further questionnaire' (deadline for this was the 3rd of October, but you renegotiated this to be the 10th of October).

The you sent me another one in November.

It is now the 10th of December.

And you have sent Questionnaire v.3.

In additional, you have sent me a Schedule of Deficiencies on responses to my questionnaire v2. In this you ask the wonderful question...

Why the applicant has failed to agree a sales price of THIS with the respondent as agreed at the FDA of the 3rd of October

The ever patient, tolerant, brain intact applicant goes to her inbox and recovers an email in which she typed, with a great deal of gritted teeth and self-restraint, to your client some ten days later....

The sales price for "THIS" is £XXX. Do you accept?

To which the Arsespondent replied with just typed just two letters.

'OK'.

Clearly not making his reply especially memorable.

To himself.

But thankfully, one of us is a functioning human being - albeit it only just.

Then you ask

Why the applicant has failed to agree a sales price of THAT with the respondent as agreed at the FDA of the 3rd of October

To which the exasperated, dog-tired, utterly fucked off 'guilty until proven innocent' woman goes back to her inbox (on her shiny new laptop) and recovers the Arsepondent's reply received, likewise, on the same day as the above....

The sales price for "THAT" is £xxx. Let me know if you have any objections.

The arsepondent replied.

'No objections'

So exactly what the fucking hell are your objections now?

That I complied with the court order and sold them at the price which he agreed?

It's like he's having a row with himself and I'm to fucking blame. It's like being fucking married all over again.

And it's ruining my enjoyment of this divorce.

We are not talking a huge amount of money here. Less than what he earns in a week. I know I have to put them in the escrow account. Why haven't you advised your client he should do the same with the vast sums that he has dissipated in the last six months?

Seriously, love, you're the fucking advisor here. I know he's a fuckwit. You know he's a fuckwit. You know he is an abusive arsepondent but please, for fuck's sake, it is getting ridiculous now.

Especially as you then re-ask the very same fucking questions in the Schedule of Deficiencies.

As for all the other questions, did you not read any of the endless thousands words of waffle that you acknowledged that your client had had between the lovely SHL and himself when he instructed you? If he is not happy with his fucking decrees of yonderyear, imagine how it felt to act on them.

It was shit.

It is just as shit spending half a fucking day quoting his instructions back in your Schedule of Deficiencies.

Your final question asks:

Does the lovely, fabulous, witty, utterly adorable WWK plan on gaining full time employment any time soon?

Yes - she needs a fucking holiday.

One month, two days.

OP posts:
Andro · 10/12/2014 20:34

Dear fcs (freezing cold solicitor - sh she does not appear to be)

Please communicate with your client, if you did you would already know the answers to your questions.

Regards and sympathy

WellWhoKnew · 10/12/2014 20:47

To be honest, I think it's him writing the stuff anyway. Not her - I think she can't control him that she's just going along with it, taking the money and running.

Such is his fury with me.

Just utterly and totally full of righteous indignation.

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IthoughtATMwasacashpoint · 10/12/2014 20:50

What a shame you can't bill the shittylukewarmsolicitor for your time in having to answer the same questions over and over again - or can you? Perhaps your SHS could advise. You could end up in full time employment until it's all over.

mistlethrush · 10/12/2014 21:43

It sounds to me as though you should copy his NVSHS (not very... ) into every single email you send him and then forward on his response to her too... Not that there's much time left for that.

mineofuselessinformation · 10/12/2014 22:29

Dear nvshs,
Your client has communicated with me regarding x and y.
Would you kindly refer your client to the the emails dated as the matters are now dealt with.
Yours,
WWK

WellWhoKnew · 10/12/2014 22:32

That would have saved me hours!

However, that's what SHL did with Qv2 and they've written back saying 'this is not acceptable'.

I'm surprised it's not marked with a red pen and marked D- to be honest.

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WellWhoKnew · 10/12/2014 22:33

'shs'/STBXH sorry not SHL.

SHL wouldn't have succumbed to such idiocy. Nor would I have ask her to.

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WellWhoKnew · 13/12/2014 03:06

Dear VSTBXH,

I have held on, just, to ensure that it is now less than one month until the Final Hearing.

So it's a mere 30 days until I sleep.

I met up with the lovely SHB again today. Only, today she gave me one seriously fucking hard time.

So did the lovely SHL as it goes.

So much for the sisterhood!

But hey, “Grumpy Gudge” is back at work. Perhaps he’ll see me as the ‘damsel in distress’.

As it goes, right now, I’m feeling a little persecuted. And a woman under acute stress.

But after today, it seems that there’s three on your team.

Maybe five. But ‘shs’ and ‘shb’ are mysteriously quiet.

It seems they’ve exited stage right.

It seems, therefore, you’re the man. Sorry THE MAN.

Please, sir, I’ve had now seven and a half months of it. I mean, fucking hell, after all of your shenanigans this week, do I really need my own 'team' turning on me?

I have had 14 years of secrets. 14 years of abuse.

But the law has no time for emotions. It's all about the money.

14 times over SHB asked the same questions.

Why didn't you comply with the law?
Just answer the question about the money.
It's your choice whether or not you explain the money.
This won't go well for you in court, if you don't talk about the money.
This is not acceptable.
You have had sensible legal advice, so why didn't you take it?
Are you going to accept your legal advice?
Just do what you're told. Why don't you?
It's your choice if I have to defend your two-fingered salute to court.
It's your choice whether or not you comply with the court order.

And on and on.

It took six minutes.

And then I told the truth.

And then I said: I'm so sorry, I just can't stop pretending it's all okay, when it's so far from okay. It's all a mess. I was just hoping I could find a way.

But, today, I failed.

Today, I got found out.

And today, I finally admitted what I really owed the escrow account...
Today, I just stopped coping.

Today, Paul was no longer being mugged by Peter. Today, the assault statistics dropped just a little.

Today, I finally disclosed the amount you have spent of my SM since you left.

Because it was the first time, it was investigated.

And today, the victim finally got her voice.

Today I stopped being 'strong', 'stoic', 'sensible'.

Today, I got to give the 'victim impact statement'.

Tomorrow I supply all your emails to SHB regarding your shenanigans.
Y'know, the ones you dumped on me as the 'expenses' of our marriage.

And all the years 'we' made decisions. Yep, they now get measured against your Form E (all four), your narrative statement (signed), your questionnaire, your schedule of Deficiencies (I & II) as well as the allegations –your shb-- you are going to make against me.

Word on the street is that 'shb' is not representing you in the final hearing.

But, you’re so ‘changeable’ this may change.

And tomorrow, being another day and all that, the lovely SHL writes to you to request a further interim payment. An emergency one to ensure I can comply with my legal obligations.

Because, y’know we might be 30 days away from Final Hearing. But, in working terms, we have helluva lot less than that.

Tick tock.

Tick tock.

In other news, SHB finally calculated the sheer deception she estimates you have squandered in the last six months.

I'm just about upright.

But fuck me, this has been one tough day at the office.

NXWife,

Who knows invoices are inclined to say ‘payment due in 30 days'.

Can’t afford the Absolute ‘til you do.

Will go into debt to make sure she gets what she needs.

OP posts:
AcrossthePond55 · 13/12/2014 03:19

WWK, sorry your legal team raked you over the coals, but sometimes you have to 'tear down' before you can 'build up'. I hope you came out of the meeting bruised but unbroken.

Why doesn't MN have a gin emoji? If they did, I'd send 3 or 4 your way, because sometimes Wine just won't do. It has to be the 'hard stuff'. It will bet better. It will be over. Really it will.

Belleende · 13/12/2014 03:45

Wow wwk that sounds like one tough day at the office. Not nice when you get tough love from the team you are paying and who are supposed to be on your side. That said, they know what they are doing, and better get beaten up a bit now and know how that feels, than have it happen in court for the first time.
Interesting that his 'shb' seems to have bitten the dust. Perhaps he has been through what you have just gone through but instead of gritting his teeth he has spat the dummy. This could bode well for you.
30 days to freedom lady. KOKO.

Nevergrowingup · 13/12/2014 07:45

WWW, I can't offer much in the way or wise words. It feels as though you have reached a stage in proceedings where it's big boys' games and cliches aren't appropriate.

I offer my virtual hand to you in support. Your team will pull you through and I have faith that your underlying strength will find the energy to deliver you from this nightmare.

Oh, and he's an arsehole of the highest order. May he shrivel up it in 30 day's time.

Take care x

Nevergrowingup · 13/12/2014 07:48
  • WWK!! Damn autocorrect...
SallyannFanackapan · 13/12/2014 08:56

Hi WWK, I've followed your trials with constant admiration for your fighting spirit. However, I have been under no illusions about the pain you've been hiding so well. It seems it's getting to the "gristle" now, which means it's nearly over. Keep your chin up & remember stuff is just stuff & anything connected to him, that he thinks in 3 years he'll come & try to take from you is best off dealt with all in one 'plaster ripping' occasion. I have no doubt that with this nightmare behind you you will be up and away in your new, untethered state. Much love & virtual support to you. Look after yourself.

mineofuselessinformation · 13/12/2014 08:56

I had no idea you were carrying such a burden. The fact that it's now out in the open must be a good thing.
You must be exhausted after all of that!

ptumbi · 13/12/2014 09:15

Invoices say 'payment due within 30 days, handily for you

KOKO

whyMe2014 · 13/12/2014 10:43

WWk....sending you unlimited hugs and support. You are a strong woman ..you will get through this no matter what he says or does. Hold your head up and rise above his games. The only way is up (and out)! xx

Anniegetyourgun · 13/12/2014 12:12

If I rightly understand it, your team forced you to 'fess up to stuff you'd been hiding even from them, because - be fair to them - they can't represent you properly if you don't tell them everything. Sisterhood be damned; they're professionals. They are fucking good, too, aren't they? They knew. They ripped the plaster off the boil that you didn't want them to know existed. They smelt it and they exposed it. Now it can be lanced. Oh, it hurts, indeed it hurts, but if it isn't done it will fester away until one day your whole limb has to come off.

By the sound of it, though, it wasn't even your boil, it was STBXH's. You were getting yourself into big trouble by covering up for him. Your team would have let you down severely if they'd let you carry on doing that. On the other hand he is paying some wimp to tell him what he wants to hear. I think you've got the better bargain.