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Family destroyed by secrets that aren't secret any more.

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chubbyhez · 13/08/2014 11:30

I have 2 older sisters (technically half sisters although it's never been thought of like that). Mum was married, had them, divorced, met my dad, married, then had me. There's 10/11 years between us. Their bio dad was never around.

Great childhood, string family unit. All remained close even after moving out. Sister 1 living up the road from mum and dad. Sister 2 had I in neighbouring towns. Birthdays, Christmas, Sunday dinners all together, grandchildren at mum and dads lots.

It's all been a lie. Dad sexually abused (inappropriate touching on 3 occasions in one week) ds1 when she was 14 not long after I was born. She told ds2 about 15 years ago. Both of their husbands knew. Mum and I didn't until 2 weeks ago it all came out. Dad not denying, admits it was wrong, is ashamed.

Now it's like we've been blown apart. They (ds1 and 2) say they hate dad, always have (ds2 since finding out) but that doesn't make sense to me. They haven't kept any distance between them and dad. Have let him pay for weddings, cars, holidays, let him spend weekends fixing cars, went on holiday, bought him big presents - there's been no sign to mum or i that all was not well. He's a first class grandad to their kids, they've never made any attempt to keep him at arms length.

Now they're telling me they hate dad. They don't understand why I've been to see him,since finding out or why mum hasn't kicked him out.

I hate what he did. But he's not been,an out and out bastard all our lives. That would be easy.

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CookieDoughKid · 13/08/2014 23:13

rootypig its OK. We are all grieving really. Your response was raw and honest. You are entitled to have a relationship with your dad. My dh is also entitled to have a relationship with his brother who abused our child. I can't blame my dh nor can I blame you.

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Twinklestein · 13/08/2014 23:26

As per my post of 18.26 - whether you see him as a paedophile or not depends on whether you follow the psychiatric or the legal definition of the word. By the former definition he is not, by the latter definition in the UK he may be considered to be.

The point is surely that he sexually interfered with one of his daughters, irrespective of whichever label you choose.

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Twinklestein · 13/08/2014 23:51

We do insofar as the OP states that her sister was abused at the age of 14.

For some people that qualifies him as a paedophile for others it does not.

I think you have to accept that people are going to have different opinions and there is no right or wrong answer here.

4boysxhappy · 14/08/2014 00:30

back2two that says it all really x

AussieSpirit · 14/08/2014 02:40

Chubby, I can understand some of what you're going through from 2 different perspectives.

I won't go into too much detail but my step-father started abusing me when I was 8 years old. My mother knew this was happening and eventually I was forced to marry him (by her). I had 3 children to him. I swore that they would never know the truth of what had happened to me and the secret was held for more than 25 years.

The secret was revealed to my beautiful daughter by another family member and it destroyed her world. She felt everything was a lie and felt disgusted that she had loved this man as her father. 5 years later, she is still trying to come to terms with this information. I would do anything at all to help her feel better about it. My other 2 children (sons) know about it but are dealing with it by never wanting it raised ever again.

Just take all the time you need to work on your feelings but also keep in mind that the last thing your sister needs is any anger directed at her. I know that feeling and when you have tried so hard to be strong (so as not to hurt anyone else) and you have anger directed towards you, you feel as though your soul is being crushed.

I never speak about my story to anyone but your post has compelled me to say something. Be gentle with each other because it is a long and winding road ahead.

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CookieDoughKid · 14/08/2014 07:18

Aussie Oh Aussie, you sound so strong and kind, and wise too. Your children are lucky to have you.

I hope this thread is helping you OP.

chubbyhez · 14/08/2014 07:42

It really is. Thank you.

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chubbyhez · 14/08/2014 07:42

I need to get in touch with my sister. I just don't know what to say.

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HarlotOTara · 14/08/2014 08:07

Hi,
So sorry that this has happened, haven't read all the posts but wonder if my experience might help. I was sexually abused by my father. At the time I sort of froze inside and carried on for many years as if it never happened it,took 20 years until I spoke about in therapy and many more until I have got to a place where I am ok about it. In all that time I still saw my father and played happy families. The awful thing about abuse in a family is it buggers up boundaries, trust and leaves all sorts of emotional damage. In my experience abuse can only happen in dysfunctional families but expect there are other view points. My mother still lives with my father and was very angry with me for telling her. I see my mother but it is a difficult relationship and have chosen not to see my father for the last eight years. It is sad but I feel better for deciding how I handle it.

OP you are shocked and I assume you love your father so finding this out is a body blow, your sister dealt with the abuse in the only way she knew how to. She needs support as do you all, but please try to remember that your father is the one at fault here. You really don't have any idea how your sister felt in all these years, and she might not as well. Counselling will help if you let it but it will take time. Your family is reeling and none of you know how it will pan out.

Itsfab · 14/08/2014 08:22

Cookie - I am so sorry for what your son went through. A big part of healing is not brushing it under the carpet. His family are not helping the healing. I hope you don't have to have any contact with him now.

A man who abuses a 14 year old is a paedophile. Fact. And if you want to argue it I can give you the name of the barrister who stated this as fact.

chubbyhez - all she needs to hear is you believe her and you are sorry.

Meerka · 14/08/2014 08:45

chubby what itsfab says. Tell her you believe her and you are sorry. That you're struggling to cope with this bombshell and the revealing of your Dad as someone who isn't what you thought he was. That you love her and hope she will understand that this is very new and hard to take in and handle, all your worlds have been turned upside down.

deepest · 14/08/2014 09:39

Chubby, dont worry - you don't need to say anything to your sister - just listen to her, hug her, respect "her story" and be there for her.

You dont have to agree to any conditions re your Dad...just nod unconditionally.

I do hope that your counselling brings you some head space.

I do think if you could encourage your Mother to do the same soon -- it would bring your sister some much needed support - as it looks like she has been badly let down by those closest to her ie her Dad and her exH ... she could really do with her Mother and Sister coming forward right now.

RonaldMcDonald · 14/08/2014 09:43

Chubby

This must have been a terrible shock for you.

I wonder if trying to put yourself in your sister's shoes at that time might help you to understand why she didn't say anything.
She was young and her mum had just had a new baby and her step dad started to abuse her
She must have been terrified and frightened.

Frightened that she might lose her family.
Frightened that she might damage her family whom she loved
Frightened no one would believe her.
All of this was left for her to shoulder and bear. It was for her to rip apart her family. For her to ask people to choose sides.
Maybe she was never confident enough that anyone would choose to stand by and beside her. Perhaps she felt that she would be seen as surplus. It would eventually somehow be her fault.

So she did what she could to remain in her family.
Maybe she has always hated your dad since then but had no where else to go with what happened.
Maybe she wants her children to know her mum and her sisters and that has meant she had to put up with your dad to get that.

It sounds as though what she feared was right.
Your mum hasn't left your dad.
Everyone has accepted that he abused her, hurt her, frightened and confused her.
Just accepted it.
Everyone is questioning her actions since he did this to a frightened teenager whose mum had just had a baby.
Nothing has happened to him as I'm sure she always feared would be the case.
I appreciate your worry over your father's suicide risk but I'd be more concerned about your sister.

I understand that it didn't happen to you. I understand that he has been a good dad to you.
That doesn't change the fact that he is an abuser.

I hope counselling helps but please try to appreciate the powerless situation your father placed your sister in.

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deepest · 14/08/2014 09:56

rootypig

It is only a WORD -- the flashbacks to the ACTIONS are what defines the horror impact for the victim.....this will not be minimised if someone else refers to the perpetrator a paedophile or child sex abuser.

spanky2 · 14/08/2014 10:01

Chubby there is a book I have found useful, the handbook if you like. It is called Toxic parents, overcoming their hurtful legacy. It is to be used with counselling, but it is quite good to read for help when you don't want to have to talk out loud to someone else about the abuse.

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deepest · 14/08/2014 11:07

Rootpig - are you suggesting that one is worse than the other for the victim?

How would a precise definition either way help the VICTIM?

If you are burgled is the impact lessened if the burglar broke into 10 houses or just yours? or if they had also burgled flats as well as houses?

In this instance as there has not yet been any investigation we do not yet know the range and extent of the abusers crimes - so you are technically right that we should not put him into either the paedophile or child sex abuser box at the moment.

Maybe the term child sex abuser is more comfortable for family and friends of the perpetrator to live with?

This is all a bizarre diversion - when a child is sexually violated it is the ACTIONS that flash back not the nuanced terminology.

rootypig · 14/08/2014 11:23

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deepest · 14/08/2014 11:32

where the abused is by the nature of the act made complicit, --- WTF are you on about?