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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

OP posts:
SolidGoldBrass · 01/04/2013 23:50

Well, he does sound a bit of a knob, but try not to let it get to you. And do bear in mind that for all the squawking from mundanes (an obsession with the importance of monogamy for everyone rather than just oneself is a reliable stupidity indicator) it's not, actually, that big a deal if you have and raise a child without being in a committed couple-relationship. Plenty of married couples are horrible parents to their DC: alcohlics, abusers, or just struggling with desperate poverty to the point where they can't cope or function.
And for all this modern guff about 'needing to know where you came from' plenty of people don't know one or both birth parents and it's not a big deal to them. I was adopted as a newborn baby and have never bothered tracing my bio-parents (and I'm nearly 50) - and I'm not 'damaged'.

chickenfactory · 02/04/2013 01:16

I would, as yellow said, go down the business like route. Email him back and say you've researched what maintenance you are due and how would he like to proceed? Keep contact via email, I wouldn't worry about his wife just now, she will find out eventually. If he refuses maintenance I'm sure going down the CSA route she would find out faster.

As you say if you don't expressly need it just now, open another account as a rainy day fund. A few years down the line it could be a deposit for a secure home for you and you DC.

DontmindifIdo · 02/04/2013 10:11

OP - I don't think you should be waiting him discussing it with his wife or letting her set the terms of your relationship now - that was fine when you were his partner in an open relationship, but that is now all changed, it's important you realise anything to do with this DC is between you and him now - she is quite frankly, unimportant to you (only to him). So, I'd e-mail him back, ask him which way he'd like to go for maintenance, via CSA or private arrangement? Does he want to be named on the Birth Certifcate or not? What access arrangements would he like to see his child?

It seems he's still in the drama stage of all this, and isn't seeing that this is now a practical issue. What he does and does not tell his wife doesn't really matter, if he hides the money he gives you from her, that's his problem, not yours. You shouldn't do without in order to help him have an easier home life.

As others have said, if you don't need the money for day to day expenses now, fine, but save it -you won't want to live with your parents for ever, it might be nice to have something towards a deposit for your own place. Why should the child he has with you be the one with the lower standard of living compared to his other children just to avoid upsetting his wife, who was happy to accept him sleeping around (while she insisted on no other DCs, she didn't make him having the snip a condition of his 'freedom' to sleep with other woman).

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 03/04/2013 09:52

Thank you, everyone.

It was the right thing to say, but it has helped to come on here and remind myself. Total silence from SEDH since my email, and I have had to stop myself (saying NO quite firmly!) from getting in touch again. But actually total silence is probably the best and most appropriate possible response even if it is hard.

Actually, the more he does this stuff, the less I think of him. I suppose it is quite good. I did care about him so very much and when he behaves well I feel tempted to idealise him as some sort of 'man I should have married if things had been different'.

Still, it's funny how something so silly can trigger all of these feelings in me. Although I would never do it, part of me really did want to. I really miss being loved - while also realising that what he feels for me is obviously not love and does not have anyone's best interests at heart beyond his own.

I have asked four people to be godparents (I reckon little one deserves a double dose of godparents as it will only be getting 50% on the parent front) and I think I need to just focus on getting things in gear and creating a really strong loving support network for when the baby arrives.

Got to say, the men around me aren't really covering themselves in glory this spring. My sister's BF has been flirting inappropriately with their mutual friends. It turns out that my DF has cheated on my SM (with whom he cheated on my DM many years ago now! rewind, replay... karma?). And even the chap I went on a few dates with earlier in the spring turned out to have a girlfriend (YUCK). Actually, my XH is the one who is showing himself to be the most thoroughly decent and lovely man around. If only he fancied me... sigh.

Branleuse · 03/04/2013 09:58

I think they were new to open relationships. I have dabbled in this in the past, and this was one of my main fears why it never lasted. Its playing with fire. Not only the risk of pregnancy, but the risk that feelings could actually develop for someone and vice versa when nothing could ever come of it. I am heartbroken for all three of you.

If he doesnt tell his wife though, then he doesnt have the honesty that an OR requires

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 03/04/2013 10:39

Branleuse, yes, we were all quite new to open relationships. I have to say that it was a positive experience overall, despite how things have ended up, and I think it worked very well up until the point when I got pregnant.

You are right though, and obviously he doesn't really have the honesty or courage required if he couldn't tell his DW about it when I got pregnant - I really do think that it could have been so much better if he'd just been straight with her right away.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 03/04/2013 10:43

DontmindifIdo, you're a wise woman! I bet she will ask him to get the snip after she finds out!

I do think it is a bit different here as I feel his DW does have a role to play in setting terms and conditions, as he was already in an existing committed relationship with her - which I was totally aware of and accepted. I don't think I'd be happy with a set-up that she wasn't in agreement with (in terms of contact, anyway - child support levels possibly excepted).

DontmindifIdo · 03/04/2013 13:05

But you need to stop thinking that way, this woman isn't one of your DC's parents, she's not important in the same way.

If she's not happy with contact levels, but you and this man and your child are, then tough on her. that's a problem within their marriage and you have no right to get involved in issues within their marriage. It's complicated because in a limited way they did invite you into their marriage, but that has to change.

What she does and does not think is not your business. Cut off SEDH if he starts talking about her, tell him is marriage is not something that's your business and is separate to this issue.

Another way to look at it is this - if you make arrangements with SEDH and then in the future start dating someone else who decides they don't like those arrangements, would you think they had any right to interfer in the relationship between your DC and their Dad just because they were in a relationship with that DC's mum? Do you think you have a right to have any say in the relationship between SEDH and his DCs from his marriage?

It's now not about the open relationship, it's not actually about the relationships between the three adults here, it's about the relationship between your child and their dad, and as the mother, how do you help manage that until the child is old enough to do it on their own. It's about your DC's lifestyle being funded by both their parents, not other people's feelings about your DC's exisitance.

Your child has a right to expect their father to be involved in their life if he wants to be (and when they are older, if your DC wants it), and to expect their father to help fund their life. The child's father's wife's feelings about a situation that she helped create is far less important and shouldn't be a factor that you deal with. Let SEDH deal with that, refuse to discuss.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 03/04/2013 13:47

That's a great post, don't!!

DontmindifIdo · 03/04/2013 20:56

Thank you shipwrecked!

OP, something that has occured to me, you seem to think the wife is the victim in all this. She is not, well, she might be if he's been lying, but that's no reason to make your child the victim instead. You shouldn't sacrifice your child's relationship with their father, your child's quality of life (due to accepting no/limited money) in order to make the wife feel better.

At the moment it's just a mess involving you, him, her. In a few weeks, there's going to be a forth little person in the middle of this, and to my mind, that little person is the only one you should give a shit about.

Step out of their marriage, step away from a romantic/sexual relationship with him, focus on being the best mother you can be.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 04/04/2013 18:18

Thank you, DontmindifIdo - a huge amount of stuff to think about here. I guess I am probably still thinking too much like a single woman with no kids. I need to start thinking about soon-to-be-DC, I know you are right. Our DC is the most important thing.

And that is a REALLY good point about what I would expect if I met another man. You are so right. I definitely wouldn't expect them to have a say in how much my DC saw its dad, that would be between the three of us.

Anyway, bit depressed, I just haven't heard from SEDH again since I sent him my email. Dunno, feels like either I will have confusing contact with him or perhaps none at all and he will disappear altogether. I wish we could just have a middle ground, with contact that was straight forward, iyswim.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 04/04/2013 18:25

I just want to say a quick thank you to everyone who's commented. It's been really helpful and really thought provoking.

Feels like it's all going to be at a standstill now until the little one is born, and I'm going to use the time to do some more thinking about what's best to do, but feel like I'm closer to having my head screwed on properly - thanks for the wisdom and er sometimes tough love xx

An un-mumsnetty hug to you all.

skyebluesapphire · 04/04/2013 18:33

Best luck for the future x

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