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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:12

AuntieStella, that is perfect summary of where things stand now! With the proviso that, if I did go ahead and ask for child maintenance in the future, the wife would obviously find out indirectly through my actions.

I think you are probably quite right about writing off the thought of SEDH having any sort of role in its life when the baby is born. I do need to be realistic about this. I would quite like him to meet it, but perhaps this is not actually a healthy way of thinking about it and it would be better to just cut off (but without ruling out asking for child support in the future if I had to).

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skyebluesapphire · 30/03/2013 13:13

I agree with yellowtulips that you should make it clear to him that if the W ever does contact you, that you will not lie to her. I think that all you can do is to let him know when the baby is born, get child maintenance set up and then if he wants access, sort it out with him, or go into mediation if you cant reach an agreement between you both.

But it will be very difficult for him to see a child regularly without his wife's knowledge I would imagine. I can understand that she probably doesn't want her children's life disrupted, but she was playing with fire by allowing her H to sleep with another woman , so has to accept the consequences somewhat.

It is a very sad situation all round really, but mostly for your baby who may grow up not knowing their father.

Soundofthecrowd · 30/03/2013 13:16

I think I would want to be independent and concentrate on my baby but at the same time wouldn't want to feel I was slinking away and disappearing just for the convenience of SEDH. I definitely think it is right that your child gets financial support, as his other children do. I think I would contact him one more time and say very clearly once again that he should tell his DW as it will all come out in the future. Also that you would like a financial arrangement (look up and get an idea of what is fair). If he doesn't pay you will pursue CSA. That you don't expect or want any emotional relationship with him. That you will be telling DC about him in the future. Then don't contact him again till after the baby is born. Good luck.

munchkinmaster · 30/03/2013 13:20

Did you hear her on the phone though? It sounds all a bit elaborately constructed to be fake but I do wonder if he has been entirely honest about how much the wife knew and consented to. How much of the t & c were hers and how much to suit him. You could only see him when it suited him, don't know where he lives, etc. did his wife have her photo up on her profile?

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:22

yellowtulips and skybluesapphire, thank you - I think that is very very wise advice about being totally clear that I will not collude in lying to his wife or concealing anything from her if she gets in touch with me. And perhaps mentioning that I will be keeping my profile live in case she does ever want to contact me.

I have already been really direct about saying that I will give honest answers to my child when it is old enough to ask questions about who its father is.

I also think I feel much clearer about child support. I don't need it right now, and would prefer not to ask anything of SEDH (especially given all the secrecy on his part) right now. But at the same time it's possible that in the future my circumstances might be different, or I might feel that my child deserves the money themselves even if I don't need it to bring them up, and it would be wrong to rule it out completely at this stage.

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munchkinmaster · 30/03/2013 13:25

To my mind it's either:

  1. He's been cheating behind his wife's back
  2. Wife said he could get into a relationship so the pair of them need to man up to this, which was always a potential consequence

So I think you do what is right for you and stop worrying about them and thier kids. I don't think you should rush into anything, wait till child born and see how you feel about contact and maintenance.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:29

munchkin, I have thought about this quite a bit but I do think he was completely honest in the original set up. I heard his wife's voice on the phone and though there were no photos on either of their profiles I can understand why you might not want the world to know you have an open marriage and I don't feel it was an elaborate fake. The whole experience was a good one and I felt he had been honest, open and kind with both me and his wife when it came to making it work well. Had I not got pregnant, I would have counted it as an all-round positive experience for all of us.

He actually struck me as being a really decent and honourable person - if somewhat unusual in having an open marriage - who is now in a blind panic and acting less-than-well because he feels responsible for something that will desperately hurt the people he cares about most in the world.

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BiscuitMillionaire · 30/03/2013 13:39

One thing you might not have considered is that his DCs would probably want to know that they have a half-sister or brother, when they're older, in the same way that your DC probably will.

I think there are no easy answers, but I agree that whether he tells his wife is his business. I think I would keep in occasional contact.

ScentedNappyHag · 30/03/2013 13:44

People ate getting far too bogged down in dissecting the open marriage- it is what it is, they can be successful and happy, each to their own.
OP, for what's its worth, you come across really well and your DC might not have been conceived in the perfect circumstances but will be lucky to have a lovely mum. I wouldn't tell the wife at this point, I think SEDH will want to see the baby eventually and then would be the time I'd start making it clear that she needs to know.

HeySoulSister · 30/03/2013 13:47

What if he is moving on now to other women... Does the condom thing with them

If I were the wife I would want to know!! He could get multiple women pregnant this way..... How many half siblings will your child have in the end??

motherinferior · 30/03/2013 13:48

And OP, there are some terrific- bright sides:

You've got over your marriage
You had some great sex
You're pregnant, after thinking you'd never conceive...
and when you do form a new relationship you won't have to do that working out about kids thingGrin because you'll already be a parent.

Win-win!Grin

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:52

munchkin - thank you, your comment was helpful. I am quite certain that it was all above board, but you are quite right that pregnancy was an inevitable risk - however small - of their arrangement and that they will both need to man up at some point and accept it. I have a funny feeling that SEDH's wife will actually be well able to cope and very practical about it, when it all finally comes out somehow, and he will wonder why he wasn't just honest from the start (ok, and maybe she'll make him have a vasectomy!!!)

I do feel much clearer now on what I am going to do, and you are quite right about not rushing into anything but waiting and see how it feels when the little one is born.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:55

BiscuitMillionaire, I think you are right about keeping in occasional contact. You are also right that all of the DCs will have an interest in their siblings. I just hope there will be some positives in future as well as the inevitable challenges.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:56

ScentedNappyHag, that's very sweet of you - thank you. I am really excited about have a child and it is exactly the right time in my life despite the less than ideal circumstances. Pretty sure it's going to be a great adventure somehow.

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zwischenzug · 30/03/2013 13:56

Seems straightforward to me, arrange child support through the CSA, and then it's up to him if he wants a relationship with the child, although that's not likely. If he thinks he can hide this from his wife for the rest of his life good luck to him, the odds aren't in his favour.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:59

HeySoulSister, I do hope very much that it was an accident. I think that, whatever the case, the enormity of it all has terrified him and I hope that means he will be a lot more careful in future.

I agree - like you I would definitely want to know if it was my partner. I'm not sure it's for me to tell her directly, but I do think that the truth has a way of coming out and if it does comes out in the future I don't feel so much that it will be my "fault".

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ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 14:01

It seems to me that you have been very straight and up front about this.

Any difficulties that arise will be as a result of the secrets he is keeping

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 14:05

motherinferior, thank you for all of your comments throughout this thread - I haven't replied directly, but I've really appreciated them.

And this one made me laugh! You are quite right on all counts! I feel a lot clearer about what I'm going to do and I think for the meantime I'm going to count my blessings and look forward to having a new little person in my life quite soon!

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pumpkinsweetie · 30/03/2013 14:13

Cut ties, but get in touch with CSA as soon as baby is born. As you were carrying on with a married man i would normally say, go it completely alone but in this instance it was he who took the risk with the condom and expected everything to be fine and dandy Shock.

Such a strange set-up really, but each to their own! I don't think its fair for you to be the one that ends up with the bad end of the arrangement, but unfortunately you took the risk as much as he did so cant lie all the blame on him & you cant lay down the law in regards to telling his wife. That is up to him.

What is important is that he financially contributes to a child, he more or less deliberately created with you whether he likes it or not. You both laid down together you are both responsible. Unfortunately in regards to emotional support, there isn't going to be any as he has his own cushty life going on that he isn't going to ruin any time soon.
Basically he wanted his cake and to eat it and now he has walked away and left you to it.
This is why affairs are never good, open or not.

And his wife is just as bad as you two were as it was lunacy for her to believe this arrangement would work with no flaws.

However much i believe what you did was wrong, im sure you have learnt from if and i do find it very unfair he seems to have come away sqeaky clean when you are in such a predicament. Good luck op, you are going to be a mummy, so after all atleast something good as come of this. Just a shame the father has to be a dick!

sparklingsea · 30/03/2013 14:34

overbythere, I have conceived after a condom came off, morning after pill failed and not been mid cycle, not sure why that seems unbelievable?

Dededum · 30/03/2013 14:49

Overbythere - be careful that you don't idealise this fatherly input and half siblings thing. Just because they exist doesn't mean that it will be a positive thing. Don't agree with this child deserves to know his father is, what you child needs is a strong, loving family in what ever form that comes.

Agree with Motherinferior that you need to concentrate on the positives.

Dededum · 30/03/2013 14:51

Oh, sorry that was for OP

thegreylady · 30/03/2013 14:51

If I may input a little.
Regardless of the circumstances of its conception there is now a child who is central to this dilemma. That child deserves to know who her/his father is and that father has a responsibility to contribute to that child's upbringing.
As for his wife-if she really did collude in this 'open marriage' nonsense then she should be told that in this case 'the best laid plans of mice and men' have indeed gone agley and she might want to close her marriage before her dc have more half siblings.
She needs to know,he needs to pay and you need to set that in motion.
However I can't help saying congratulations to you on the child you feared you would never have and I wish you happiness and love in future with someone who is free to share your life and who is not SEDH.

ChasedByBees · 30/03/2013 15:10

Firstly, huge congratulations!

I think if his wife condoned this relationship then children are always a potential outcome of having sex so she should be adult enough to accept that.

I don't think I'd go out of my way to tell her but I would be seeking financial support through the CSA (his actions helped lead to this baby, you didn't do it by yourself) and I would be strongly encouraging him to tell her the truth.

Your baby should know who her father is and his other children have a half-sister or brother they might like to know. I think if they're going to have an open marriage, they should be... well, open.