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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

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chocoflump · 30/03/2013 09:56

Cab I ask what he done with the condom?

Whocansay · 30/03/2013 09:57

Whatever 'knock on' effects there may be, his current family are still not your business. Its sounds like you are itching to throw a grenade into their family situation, to either make him cleave to you or get revenge for him abandoning you.

Apologies if this is not the case, but I'm not really sure what you're expecting / wanting to happen if he tells his wife.

The right thing to do is to get support for your child. He doesn't sound as if he will support you physically or emotionally, but you can get financial support from him.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 09:58

I'm another on saying that it's not your place to tell his wife.

focus on what is best for your child. Smile

If that is getting payments from him, then do that; if that is keeping a way for your DC to trace him fine. But he's not going to be any kind of father

AuntieStella · 30/03/2013 09:59

I dion't think you were OW by accident; you embarked on a sexual relationship with clear knowledge of both his marital status and his "T&C"

One of those was no extra-marital children. He isn't going to step up and become Daddy, let alone leave his wife. There's nothing there, in relationship terms. You need to build you family on your own.

aufaniae · 30/03/2013 10:01

I think the "playing with fire" type comments are unhelpful tbh.

I know a two couples who have open relationships and it seems to work for them, I don't see anything wrong in that at all.

What's totally wrong is SEDH's deception of his wife. He is not the open, trustworthy person he's presented himself as. The right thing to do is for him to tell her, and as you say, the longer he keeps it from her, the worse for everyone involved. He is being a prize fool, it must be very frustrating.

What should you do for the best? I really don't know, it's a tough one. Personally I would be tempted to write to the wife, explaining that this wasn't a situation you tried to create (hence the condom and MAP) but one you find yourself in, and request a meeting or phonecall with her, make it clear you are willing to work with her on what happens next, eg what the kids are told and are categorically not after a romantic relationship with SEDH, However in reality that's probably a terrible idea!

But then again, if I was the wife I'd want to know. Would I give the SEDH an ultimatum / chance to tell her first? Maybe, but I kind of feel he's had his chance on this one. I would undoutabky if they didn't have DCs. Perhaps better from him though if possible.

These are just my rambling thoughts! I haven't had to deal with a situation like this, so I don't know if it's helpful!

Mostly I feel strongly that the people who are judging you, him and the wife should back off, it's really unhelpful.

Congratulations on your baby, wishing you and your little one a great future together :)

SolomanDaisy · 30/03/2013 10:02

What a difficult situation. I understand why you have kept the baby, with your history, so congratulations! It seems clear he doesn't want to be involved, so I think you'd be best off leaving him and his wife to it for now. You can go to the CSA at any time if you need to.

MidnightMasquerader · 30/03/2013 10:03

So ... what did he do with the condom?

juneau · 30/03/2013 10:03

I agree with Horry. Why are you protecting this man? He and his DW entered into this agreement with you openly. She knew he was screwing another woman and he 'did something strange with a condom', whatever that means, but presumably he took it off, and the outcome is HIS RESPONSIBILITY. Whether he wants to brush you and your pregnancy under the carpet or not, that's no longer his choice. He created a child with you, ignoring the rules he and his DW had put in place to prevent that happening, and that child has rights. You, as it's mother, should exercise those rights via the CSA, as a less formal arrangement has not been forthcoming. Any issue between this man and his wife are not your problem. The 'right' thing to do is what is right for the child, not the adults.

racmun · 30/03/2013 10:07

Seriously no contraception is ever fail safe you're all adults and knew the risks involved in your arrangement.

Your dc is just as important as his other dc's and I'm sure once (it) (sorry) arrives you will undoubtedly feel that it is the right thing to do to claim maintenance - you can't not claim to save their marriage. If he has chosen not to tell his wife that it his fault not yours or your dc.

Life will be hard enough being a lone parent and you should take any help you can get even if it is just financial.

Congratulations by the way

aufaniae · 30/03/2013 10:07

" he has decided that the risks of open marriage are not worth it for him any more (ha! no kidding!) and both of them have deleted their profiles on the dating site"

This isn't surprising, although I suspect the truth is he's shitting himself and has encouraged her to come off the site so you can't contact her.

I'm also interested to know what he did with the condom? Do you think he was being careless, or deliberately taking a risk? If it's the latter it puts a different spin on things.

lisad123everybodydancenow · 30/03/2013 10:07

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Rindercella · 30/03/2013 10:09

He took the condom off mid act and then continued to have sex with you, without protection and without your consent I assume?

aufaniae · 30/03/2013 10:09

"Your dc is just as important as his other dc's and I'm sure once (it) (sorry) arrives you will undoubtedly feel that it is the right thing to do to claim maintenance - you can't not claim to save their marriage. If he has chosen not to tell his wife that it his fault not yours or your dc.

Life will be hard enough being a lone parent and you should take any help you can get even if it is just financial."

That sounds very reasonable to me.

differentnameforthis · 30/03/2013 10:11

Is there any evidence of this being an open marriage? I mean, have you actually spoken to the wife about the rules etc?

Because if not, and you just have his say so/a letter from her (which could be faked) I would bet my last $ on this being an affair, not an open marriage

Branleuse · 30/03/2013 10:14

what did he do with the condom??? If he took it off then hes a complete cunt. To everyone.

Saying that, id go it alone. You knew pretty much what you were getting into, and you didnt have to keep the baby, plus you wanted one.

I would back off from him. Youve all learnt your lesson here

almostanotherday · 30/03/2013 10:14

Send him your bank details and tell him you will need some financial support but are not asking for emotional support tell him the money will be going away in a savings account for when DC is older.

InLoveWithDavidTennant · 30/03/2013 10:20

i wonder how many other kids he has had that his wife doesnt know about Confused

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 10:20

aufaniae, I really appreciated your comment. I understand why people find the idea of open relationships difficult to get to grips with, but to my mind at least it is an honest and transparent situation.

I do also think you may be right about him panicking and encouraging his wife to come off the site so I can't contact her.

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overbythere · 30/03/2013 10:25

It seems quite amazing that you should have got pregnant on your planned very last liaison especially as you took the morning after pill the very next day and you couldn't conceive in the past. Wow! What are the chances of that?

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 10:25

To all the people judging the whole open relationship situation: clearly there is always some risk of pregnancy whenever a man and a woman have sex, unless there's some medical impossibility.

It's quite easy to sleep with somebody who's not not a suitable father for your potential babies, for whatever reason, no matter how carefully you are trying to avoid the possibility using birth control. I used two methods of birth control. The chances of my getting pregnant were miniscule... but obviously still there.

So go ahead, don't have sex yourself unless it's with the one person you've definitely decided you want to be with for the rest of your life! But that's not necessarily for everyone, and we all choose what risks we are comfortable taking.

I am quite happy with my own decisions and that I behaved ethically.

I'm just not so sure I know what "behaving ethically" entails in this brand-new and presumably quite unusual situation!

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SolidGoldBrass · 30/03/2013 10:26

Another one here saying: ignore the whining from mundanes about how open relationships are eeeevil. It's possible this man has lied to you, but that isn't your fault.

For now, concentrate on your PG and your baby - congratulations, by the way - and let the man sort himself out. Let him know that you will inform him when the baby is born and then cut contact with him for the time being. He'll either come clean to his DW and adapt to the new dynamic of an extra child, or he'll vanish, but that's his problem. If you never see him again, you can put together a perfectly acceptable version of the truth for a growing DC: that some people aren't good at being parents and disappear, but that you love DC very much. Etc.

motherinferior · 30/03/2013 10:27

I agree with aufanaie too.

I also think you sound nice and funny and far too good for this creepGrin

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 10:28

The condom question: a good one! I am not sure whether it was something he did deliberately, or whether it was an accident, but it wasn't as clear-cut as 'taking off the condom' so could have been a genuine mistake and I am not sure whether to blame him or not.

I am slightly suspicious because he said a couple of odd things afterwards, but I couldn't say outright that he did it deliberately.

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ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 10:34

Totally agree with SGB