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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

OP posts:
AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 30/03/2013 18:09

No no, seriously - it was clear from what he said to her that she knew I was there (eg he'd say, I only escaped from work at 9 and I'm in the hotel room with AnonToSpareBlushes now, so let me just go in to the other room).

I did think about this quite carefully as I got quite paranoid about what had happened, but I do believe it was all genuine. So for example when I put photos up on my dating site profile, I noticed that she had viewed my profile. If it was a fake, it was an extraordinarily elaborate one and I can't imagine how he could have said all those things when she called if she didn't know. She even made a sort of joke to me once that he passed on while he was on the phone.

snowshapes · 30/03/2013 18:10

I think your approach as you put it in one of your last messages is best. Let SEDH know and say that all contact has to be above board. Be prepared to go it alone but also leave the door open for contact with half-siblings. The most important thing is that your dc has a chane to know the other half of his or er family, but only if they are not going to be shunned or treated as second class. It does not sound like this bloke will step up to the plate though.

Re the CSA, do not underestimate how much children cost. If you go back to work you will have childcare. Plus, dcs get more expensive as they get older!

whosiwhatsit · 30/03/2013 18:11

Congratulations - despite the circumstances, I'm happy for you as you seem so happy to be pregnant and have gone theough so much already with ttc, mc, divorce etc.so

I don't think you've done anything wrong. At worst you may have been naive which is not a crime. Now your job is to do the best you can for your baby including financially. This man has had more than ample opportunity to tell his wife himself but has chosen to be a coward instead. Therefore get a solicitor and get what your baby deserves and don't worry about the effect it may have on him and his marriage as this is not your concern or your fault. Best of luck to you.

kittybiscuits · 30/03/2013 18:13

Hi OP - how do you know it wasn't just some random call, which he declined/ignored, and then coninued to pretend to speak to her, as if he had answered? I think you might be underestimate how sneaky some people can be. Congrats on your pregnancy.

DontmindifIdo · 30/03/2013 18:29

OK OP - I don't think his panicking now is a sign it was all a lie about his DW, he has been given the go ahead to have an open relationship under very clear rules, one of those is no more children. I can see why they would be a deal breaker for the DW, this is a child he will be legally responsible for that means her giving him permission to have other relationships takes money from her family unit - your DC will have a claim on his income now (which is her family income, obviously lowering the standard of living for his DC with her), and your DC will also have a claim on his estate if he died as a dependant. If he wants to be an involved parent, then your DC would also have a claim on his time, making him give up some family time (which from what you've said, he works away a lot, family time might be a premium for them).

This does seem to often be a strict rule for DWs who allow open relationships. It makes sense for them if you think about it to protect their family unit above all else.

However, he should therefore have taken more consideration for the fall out of this.

What you do now is a different issue. I would suggest you say you are cutting contact for now but will let him know when the DC is born. I would go for maintenance, because you assume you'll easily get another job but you don't know. I would suggest you give him the option of arranging that directly or going via the CSA. If you do go for directly, get it in writing and if you realy don't need the money now, put it in a savings account (you could at least give it to your DC when they grow up).

I would assume he'll have no part in your DC's life. And assume he will try to keep it from his exisiting family. But that is not your problem at all.

MidnightMasquerader · 30/03/2013 18:48

What if he is moving on now to other women... Does the condom thing with them

If I were the wife I would want to know!! He could get multiple women pregnant this way..... How many half siblings will your child have in the end??

Unlikely, isn't it...?

Far more likely is that he's learnt a massive lesson the hard way. There is really nothing in it for him to up-duff a load of casual encounters, is there?

If I were the wife in all this, my very first, non-negotiable T&C would be for him to have a vasectomy, with supplies put in store if I was less than 100% that our own baby-making arrangements were behind us.

Some men are so completely detached from the biology of sex, that they forget that it's not always just a recreational activity. So many men think one of the consequences of sex will simply never happen to them. This dude has learnt that lesson the hard way.

Rulesgirl · 30/03/2013 19:18

Well Anon, whether his wife knew or not will eventually come out. He might have set his phone to ring and then had a false conversation. It happens from some of the threads I have read on here. But despite all that I did truly mean what I said, sorry if it came across otherwise. The main thing for you to do now is look after yourself and enjoy the rest of your pregnancy and stop worrying about him. You have enough on your plate. Contact HIM when the baby is born if you want to. Try to get a place of your own.....like I said when I though you were hard up.....there are some lovely little places that you could rent with help from the council . But most of all enjoy your baby and the early years with him or her. You do not want all that grief from him and his wife (especially if she knows nothing of his "open relationship") spoiling the early days, weeks, months or years of your time with your child. So maybe if he wants nothing to do with the child.....go to a solicitor and get started on getting child support etc....BUT if he does want contact then still go and see a Solicitor to see where you stand etc. You might find that you actually don't want him to have any rights to your baby. Good Luck with everything x

SchnitzelVonKrumm · 30/03/2013 19:28

If no new kids was one of the conditions, perhaps they feel you implicitly agreed to abort any potential pregnancy?

LynetteScavo · 30/03/2013 19:34

SchnitzelVonKrumm You make a good point.

Also, I'm not 100% convinced the wife did know about this situation. If she was aware her DH was having sex with someone else, then she must be open to the possibility of children being created. (Or maybe she never watches soap operas).

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foreverondiet · 30/03/2013 20:01

Best to ask him for maintenance payment for his baby, no point in pushing now for contact with the baby just yet as baby unlikely to remember any meetings although can be discussed later. Nothing to gain from telling his wife. Ask for maintenance and walk away.

Tenacity · 30/03/2013 20:13

OP How much do you know about this man? Unless I missed something, it seems you don't even know where he lives? You also mentioned both profiles are gone. Hmm
In that case, could he put in a disappearing act? It does seem that
any links you have with this man are very tenuous in the least.

tribpot · 30/03/2013 20:15

But even explicitly, no-one could actually be expected to agree to abort. And the OP was never asked. And presumably the wife would have to have that as a condition of her own dalliances as well.

That said, I think a very full and frank discussion about the consequences of sex in such circumstances might have put the brakes on it from the perspective of the married couple.

delilah88 · 30/03/2013 20:34

Hello! Poor you.
I haven't read the whole thread, but the fact the married couple had a rule 'no new children' means he seemed liable to get someone pregnant -- normal free and open lovers don't worry about this because it is so easy to master contraception.
Congratulations on your pregnancy! Enjoy it. If I were you I would cut contact and go it alone.

LynetteScavo · 30/03/2013 21:07

"because it is so easy to master contraception"

For men, it really isn't.

DontmindifIdo · 30/03/2013 21:11

Actually, thinking more, the "no new children" might be a rule because this has happened before. Your DC might have other half siblings other than the ones this man has with his DW...

MidnightMasquerader · 30/03/2013 21:15

If no new kids was one of the conditions, perhaps they feel you implicitly agreed to abort any potential pregnancy?

Anyone who blindly had faith that a third party would implicitly agree to an abortion in such circumstances is naive in the extreme.

But then again, this couple do sound very a bit naive about open relationships and the various first-relationship-proofs and back-up steps you have to take, so maybe they did think this... confused]

I'm guessing it's probably their first foray into this scene and they're learning a few hard lessons along the way.

I have no clue about open relationships, other than what I've read and gleaned, but this couple do seem especially un-clued up. Which is unfortunately back-firing on the OP.

MidnightMasquerader · 30/03/2013 21:21

Actually, thinking more, the "no new children" might be a rule because this has happened before. Your DC might have other half siblings other than the ones this man has with his DW...

I'm sceptical of this. What man with a main wife and children wants to be fathering other kids here and there, and having them lurking in the shadows, potentially wanting relationships with, and money off him the future...?

Way too much grief. Especially for the sort of person who is inherently pleasure-seeking, as he seems to be.

I'm willing to bet a large sum of money that he's a newbie to this, and this is his first accidental pregnancy. Even the fact that he seemed to be getting a bit sentimental and attached to the OP suggests this.

differentnameforthis · 30/03/2013 23:27

So you were in a hotel? How do you now he didn't get the receptionist to call him at a specified time?

I can set up my alarm on my mobile phone to go off & it can sound exactly them same as my ring tone.

I am not judging you op, I just think that this wasn't as "open" as he has made you think!

And yes, I would tell his wife.

olivertheoctopus · 30/03/2013 23:57

I don't think it is down to you to tell the wife. Not your issue. But I wouldn't cut off your nose to spite your face by not pursuing him for financial support. He sounds like a total knob though.

musicismylife · 31/03/2013 09:20

Hi OP, I've read the thread and I'm wondering whether he and his wife were, in fact, separated at the time or having a trial separation?

Did they have separate profiles or a joint one?

It sounds more feasible that they were having an open relationship but in the context of trying to resolve their relationship; I.e. going their separate days or staying together. 'While we are on a break, we can sleep with other people but only with doubled-up protection'. I wonder now if their 'break' has finished and they are back in 'love' and have decided that they can't live without each other?

I could be wrong, though.

Kione · 31/03/2013 10:03

So why did they remove the profilres from the dite? What did he tell her to make her remove her profile? more and more I think she didnt know anything...

Kione · 31/03/2013 10:03

sorry touch phone!

M0naLisa · 31/03/2013 10:22

Hmm I don't think your the victim at all. It's seem to me like a game.
He can do this that and t'other. Wifey knows about it. Surely she knows a out the birds and the bees.
He was the one been risky with the condom not you. You took the morning after pill.

I think he needs to man up and tell poor wifey at home who seems guillable!!

Congratulations x

Daisydoesdancing · 31/03/2013 10:32

Firstly, I'd like to say that having read (some of) the threads here there's lots of judging going on. You don't need that, you're a grown up and have accepted the consequence of your situation.

My advice (as a mum of 4) - your child will want to know who his/her dad is. If you are able to set up some regular contact so your child can form some kind of relationship with his/her dad it will pay dividends in the longterm. Everybody needs to know where they come from and your child will be (at very least) curious as he/she grows older (once they start school etc).

As for maintenance, unfortunately the CSA has made changes recently and it's no longer so easy to 'make a claim' from him. By all means make enquiries but if he chooses to take advantage of the loopholes in the system, he will avoid payments anyway.

It seems you have everything in order anyway which gives you a massive advantage over lots of other women that may find themselves pregnant with no partner. With a secure home, a support network (your parents), no financial issues and good job prospects once you're ready to get back out there you can enjoy the foreseeable future.

Warm wishes for the future xx