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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

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lisad123everybodydancenow · 30/03/2013 12:13

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skyebluesapphire · 30/03/2013 12:16

Sorry but I am confused - you say

I used two methods of birth control. The chances of my getting pregnant were miniscule... but obviously still there.

He did lie to me about one thing - afterwards, he told me that he couldn't tell his wife because her T&Cs had specified that we should be using two forms of birth control at any time (in retrospect actually this is an eminently sensible rule in any situation) and that she would blame him for this. He hadn't told me this, and we were only using one.

so were you using one or two?

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 12:16

If you think this episode of my life sounds ridiculous and unbelievable, please just don't bother commenting at all.

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Viviennemary · 30/03/2013 12:17

This whole set up was very likely to end in tears. These 'arrangements' often do. However, that's besides the point and you are now in this situation you have to deal with. Just make sure you look after yourself and the baby.

You both created this child and are both responsible for its welfare so he should pay. But if he's not prepared to do more than that there isn't a lot you can do. You might not need the money now but your child is entitled to be supported financially by its father so do as others have suggested and put the money in a savings account.

motherinferior · 30/03/2013 12:19

And again with the sin and guilt. Actually if there had been no pregnancy it would have ended perfectly happily; the bloke and his wife in their open relationship, the OP moving on.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 12:20

skyebluesapphire, I assumed his wife meant we should be using two normal forms of birth control at any one time - eg the pill or IUD as well as condoms.

But yes, technically taking the morning after pill was a second form of contraception (albeit an emergency one) so I see what you mean!

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5eggstremelychocaletymadeggs · 30/03/2013 12:21

I think the wife meant use two ie pill and condom. The op and blood just used condom and when there was a slip up she took the morning after pill. So two forms but not what the wife had wanted?

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 12:21

Lisad..... It seems very clear to me what sort of man he is from his reaction on finding out he is to be a dad

SundaysGirl · 30/03/2013 12:29

Sounds to me like if it was your last night together and you both knew that and the condom 'slipped' or something like that, then he said 'oh God what have I done' he removed the condom so he could have one shag with you minus latex in the way. Some men really do hate condoms and want to feel things 'natural'.

Freddiemisagreatshag · 30/03/2013 12:33

All I'm going to say is. You were not the OW by accident.

And unless you physically stood in front of his wife and told her exactly what you were going to do you have no idea if she knew or didn't know.

If he shags other women outside his marriage he's not truthful.

Branleuse · 30/03/2013 12:35

if it was in the middle of your period, plus you took the MAP, id think you had already conceived at that point somehow

skyebluesapphire · 30/03/2013 12:41

OK, just wanted to clarify as was confused, no offence intended. So you meant that the MOP was the second form. I do feel sorry for you, it sounds like you did everything you could to avoid the pregnancy, but he didn't. I do know of cases where the MOP hasn't worked.

Putting aside the whole situation... I won't comment on that, but I understand your reasons for wanting to keep the baby. I am on another thread where the OP discovered she was pregnant after her XH walked out and she didn't know what to do, she had been having fertility treatment but didn't know if she wanted to go it alone, but in the end decided to keep the baby. If you think that this could be your only chance and you are in a good position financially etc, then it is not a bad decision to keep it.

Regarding the "father". At the end of the day, he does need to take responsibility for his child. Financially and otherwise. He could come to a private agreement with you, which his wife would not need to know about, or you could go through the CSA. Your child is entitled to that money and you never know what the future holds, so even if you don't need it now, you can get it sent to a savings account, maybe one of those Junior ISA's so that the child can't touch it until they are 18.

Your child will also have a right to see his father.

You are not responsible for his wife, or her reactions. If she allowed him to sleep with OW, then there was always a chance that this could happen.

Good luck

HeySoulSister · 30/03/2013 12:44

Op you have an 'answer' for everything here don't you? What is it you are asking us?

I find it odd you are posting at al if you have it all worked out already

CakeAche · 30/03/2013 12:48

She's asking whether or not to contact the wife, given that it could have massive repercussions for the children. As she's stated several times now!

AThingInYourLife · 30/03/2013 12:52

I think you owe it to your child to make sure his/her father pays maintenance.

Beyond that you have no need to go.

Viviennemary · 30/03/2013 12:55

No she shouldn't contact the wife under the circumstances. Why should she. It's up to the OP and the husband to work things out. Why do people get themselves into these messes!

HeySoulSister · 30/03/2013 12:57

cake is she? She's already eliminated that option way up thread....

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 12:58

HeySoulSister, I have no questions whatsoever about things like whether open relationships between informed consenting adults are ok or not, or how my monthly cycles work, or how to use a condom and whether or not they can fall off, or how pregnancies occur, or how effective the morning after pill is...

I still have huge outstanding questions about what the best way forward is now, on a practical level, and this thread is offering some very useful advice and questions that are helping me think through it all.

As I said at the end of my post, my big question is about what the right thing is to do now:

  • Should I continue contact? (if so, is it ethical to do this behind his wife's back?)
  • Should I stop all contact?
  • Something else?

And some replies have also made me think about child support, and whether this is something that I need to factor in to whatever I decide to do.

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Freddiemisagreatshag · 30/03/2013 12:59

Did you meet his wife face to face and talk to HER to make sure she was ok with this?

YellowTulips · 30/03/2013 13:02

Personally I think the time for soul searching and deciding what to do was past at the point you decided to go ahead with the pregnancy, knowing the father was married and that the impact to him and his family would be devastating.

This situation was ALWAYS going to be messy, for you, for him, for his wife, for their children and yours and whilst I have sympathy in the context of your TTC history, I can't help but feel having made the decision (as is your right) to have the baby despite the wide heartache you have to deal with its consequences.

Yes you can go it alone and cut contact, but at some point your child will want to know who her father was and that there are half siblings involved.

There is no way to keep this under wraps forever so personally I don't think you should try to. I don't mean this as a licence to be vindictive/mecenary (not that you have implied this in your posts) with regards to contact/maintenence or informing his wife, but to progress with a business like correspondence with him alone regarding his financial responsibility and what, if any contact he will have.

It is up to him to tell his wife, not you, but from what you have posted I doubt he will. Just make sure you keep your correspondence with him and be clear that if his wife contacts you, you will not lie to her, though equally you will not seek her out.

Pregnancy is a risk you take in a sexual relationship, and his wife was clearly under no illusions given the T&C's - but then it never happens to you does it? It's probably never a scenario they discussed as actually happening (as opposed to prevention) a consequence of the open relationship. So in that regard I don't think any of the adults in this situation are blameless.

As it stands all you can do now is move forward to ensure the best outcome for your child trying as possible whilst bearing in mind the broader impact to another family.

AuntieStella · 30/03/2013 13:03

She's said she doesn't currently have the means to contact his wife, so unless she's going to actively hunt her down it's an option that does not currently exist. SEDH knows, and says he isn't telling her. So that aspect must remain between the two if them.

I thought the question was whether OP should sever contact with SEDH. And in terms of expectation of his having a role in her new family, then I think she should. But I do think she should tell him when the child is actually born, and should be free to seek child maintenance if she wants/needs it.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:03

skyebluesapphire, no offence taken whatsoever! I appreciated your thoughtful comment and also for your understanding of the positives of becoming a mum - despite the less than ideal circumstances I am feeling really happy about it and also able to cope in terms of finances and having lots of support from family and friends.

It's funny, like you I feel that a child has a right to know who their father is. I suppose it is up to the father to decide whether he would want any contact, but ideally I think it is a probably a good thing even if a normal family relationship is out of the question.

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Babybeesmama · 30/03/2013 13:03

I think you should send a picture of the baby like others have said & pursue child support through csa. I'm not sure cutting him out entirely is best option as your DC will have a right to know who his/her father is.

I wouldn't agree that they had a 'good marriage' - I think open marriages are bizarre, marriage is all about staying faithful to only eachother (well it was in my vows!) so I don't get that at all. He's been having his cake & eating it so he needs to step up to the consequences & do the right thing for the child x

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 13:06

Freddie, I never met his wife in person but he was in close contact with her (eg she would ring him before going to sleep etc) and it was clearly all above board on that front as he would say where he was and that he was with me.

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Bitofadviceplease · 30/03/2013 13:09

I would tell the wife now. Surely better it comes out now than the heartache for her years down the line when an inquisitive teenager turns up at their door looking for his/her father?!

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