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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

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motherinferior · 30/03/2013 10:34

I've had plenty of deeply enjoyable sex with people whose babies I would have hated to conceive. Come to that my older child is the result of what her father calls 'constructive carelessness'.

cerealqueen · 30/03/2013 10:35

No sexual relationship is without risk of pregnancy so in having sex with you, he took that risk, his wife, condoning it, took that risk too and now there is a baby to consider.

He has a responsibility, he has to face up to that via financial support. His choice if he wants to see it. How / if / when he tells his wife is his business. You can be as honest as you want with the wife / siblings in the future.

Enjoy your baby.

Dahlen · 30/03/2013 10:45

You have done nothing wrong here. The circumstances leading up to your pregnancy are largely irrelevant. Unless you did something crazy like deliberately sabotage the condoms or something, this was an accidental pregnancy that could have happened to anyone, regardless of the relationship status of those involved.

As for what you do about it from here on in, the only perspective you can reasonably take is the one that comes from your child. He or she deserves to know who his/her father is and to benefit from the financial support that person can offer - quite irrespective of whether or not you 'need' it (although if you think fighting for maintenance could get ugly and cause you a lot of stress with little money in return, that could change things).

You can't control the father's life. I think you've handled things ideally. You've left the lines of communication open so that he can contact you. If he chooses not to, that's his loss and one he will have to explain to his child at a later date. In the meantime nothing is stopping you contacting the CSA.

Beyond that, I think you just carry on as you are and enjoy your pregnancy. Congratulations.

Dededum · 30/03/2013 10:49

Congratulations, you are about to have a much wanted child, you have a strong belief in your own employability and by the sounds of it you have a good supportive family. You are obviously an intelligent competent woman not a naive child.

For me the emotional and financial support tht your family and friends can give you is the deciding point. If the financial support that he can give you is likely to be limited, begrudged and potentially affect his existing relationship and kids then I would let him be. Turn your back on him, you made the decision to have the baby, it takes two to make a baby but only one to keep it.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 10:51

overbythere, you sound a bit disbelieving, but yes, the chances of getting pregnant were indeed very small. We had sex only on one occasion during my monthly cycle (not in the middle either!) and I took the morning after pill first thing the next day.

There are lots of reasons for not being able to conceive, though, and in my case with XH it was the combination of both of us, not just me, so I wasn't entirely surprised to find that I was fertile under other circumstances.

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Bitofadviceplease · 30/03/2013 11:02

Why are you ignoring people asking what he did with the condom & what he said after? A few people have asked now but no response from you?

lisad123everybodydancenow · 30/03/2013 11:02

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Rindercella · 30/03/2013 11:07

So what happened with the condom? And what did he say to make you think it could have been anything other than an accident?

middleeasternpromise · 30/03/2013 11:09

I doubt there is anything to be achieved by pushing the issue of him telling other family about your situation. Wife knew about you - kids were complete innocents to this situ (the ethics are never as straightforward when you broaden it out and take it down a level or two). You seem to feel the 'contract' between all 3 of you was all about not having any extra children which as many posters have pointed out was a clause difficult to enforce.

As you dont want him as a partner or his financial support - what then is to be achieved from pushing him to tell wife? It certainly won't mean a better realtionship between him and your child nor the offer from either of them to facilitate a good relationship between all of the children. Therefore what is to be gained?

What you really need to concentrate on is the story you intend raising your child with. Who is daddy? Why is he not here/around/available? Where are the other grandparents aunts uncles etc and yes do I have any brothers or sisters elsewhere? You wont get asked this stuff in one lump obviously but probably at the most inopportune moments (school family tree homework) and thats when you need a coherent narrative about this. Open marriages and dating website profiles arent really the stuff of life story work so you might want to think how this is going to go.

Who knows if down the line he will fess up but it sounds unlikely. The key bit with lying (even by omission) is once you start its hard to reverse and the pattern is to just keep going until its all too late. Think of the well being of your child and you wont go too far wrong in the decision making but it wont be easy.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 11:29

I'm not avoiding the question about what happened with the condom, but I'm not entirely sure what happened and I don't think I ever will be. It was dark and it had definitely been put on properly before the lights were out. And it came off, but it could well have been an accident. I wouldn't have said that he had taken it off deliberately because I think I would have noticed (?)

The things he said that gave me pause for thought could also have been perfectly innocent and I may just be over-thinking this, but they were just more emotional than usual and I just felt more of a sense of attachment on his part, which I didn't respond to or discuss in any way, but which surprised me. Nothing overt. Maybe it was just because he knew we would be going our separate ways in the morning and it made him sentimental.

He did lie to me about one thing - afterwards, he told me that he couldn't tell his wife because her T&Cs had specified that we should be using two forms of birth control at any time (in retrospect actually this is an eminently sensible rule in any situation) and that she would blame him for this. He hadn't told me this, and we were only using one. Now either (a) he lied by omission when he didn't tell me, or (b) he lied and made up this new rule so as to give me an excuse for why he didn't want to come clean to his wife.

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mirry2 · 30/03/2013 11:33

strange story

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 11:35

"What did he say to make you think it could be anything other than an accident?"

I don't know, it was nothing specific, and it was all probably just an awful accident. Certainly I think he could have been more careful about checking that it was on properly, as I had said it didn't feel quite right and he just said 'oh, it's fine' and checked it quickly (but in my view not adequately).

And afterwards he said something along the lines of 'oh god what have I done', but again that could have just been because at that point it was clear to both of us that it had been risky.

I suppose I just feel that, even if it wasn't something he did deliberately, he should have been more responsible about checking that everything was ok when I was concerned that it wasn't. And I should probably have been more insistent about stopping when I felt that something might still be wrong.

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lisad123everybodydancenow · 30/03/2013 11:40

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HeySoulSister · 30/03/2013 11:42

This 'contract' was between the 3 of you.... 3 people.... All 3 should be aware of the outcome

HeySoulSister · 30/03/2013 11:43

Also, std?? All 3 of you need to be checked..... He may be sleeping with others or wife may have been

Kione · 30/03/2013 11:43

It has happened to me, we didnt realise but my bf at the time said: "no wonder it felt so good towards the end" I literally had to fish it out.Blush But the morning after pil worked.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 11:46

mirry - too damn true :)

middleeasternpromise, thank you for these very thoughtful questions. You are right, I am not sure what would be gained by pushing him to tell his wife. I suppose partly I am thinking of how I would want to be treated by a partner, but it's really not my business. Also, I tend to think that the earlier he is honest with her, the better their chances for saving the marriage.

I suppose that in an ideal world (a) it would all be out in the open, and honest and above board, (b) he would have some sort of contact with the baby I will be having, and (c) he and his wife would both be happy that they were engaging with the situation in a way they had agreed between them. Obviously wife might decide that she didn't want him to have anything to do with us, which would of course be a perfectly valid choice.

I guess the dishonesty just doesn't sit well with me. It makes me feel like I am sneaking around behind somebody's back when I tell him that the 12-week scan shows the baby is viable, or if I tell him when it is born.

Perhaps I should just not be in contact at all. I just hate the thought of my wonderful wiggly little bean being somebody's dirty secret, it makes me feel quite sick (on everyone's behalf!)

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 11:48

On the STD front, I had been fully tested before and knew I was clean, so he was not at risk and neither was his wife. I've also had another full test since, and again it was all clear. So thank god that was ok, especially as he was clearly not as trustworthy as I believed.

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Thumbwitch · 30/03/2013 11:54

And the MAP isn't a guarantee either - I know a lady whose 3rd DC is the result of failed MAP.

I think, if you can do it alone, you probably should - but the man in this scenario is behaving very badly. Not just to you and your unborn child, but to his own family of course.

YOur child is going to ask questions, you're going to tell them answers - they'll likely want to find their Daddy and you're right, it would be FAAARRR better for this all to come out now than later.

Congratulations on your pg, btw. Hope it all goes well :)

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motherinferior · 30/03/2013 12:02

I've had condoms come off, and know several people whose MAP has failed.

I do get the feeling that several posters want the OP to feel riven with Sin and Guilt.

overbythere · 30/03/2013 12:07

Yes condoms can come off, but you took the morning after pill, and you previously couldn't conceive and now we learn it wasn't the middle of your cycle! Yet you still managed to get pregnant. I'm sorry, but a lot of this doesn't ring true. (Let alone the odd set-up between you, him, the wife, the contract.)

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 12:08

Over, reporting rather than posting is the way you deal with this

overbythere · 30/03/2013 12:08

I always take OP's stories at face value but I have been moved to post on this one as it just sounds ridiculous.

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 12:10

The op is about child care and responsibility and not the picky details of what happened/didn't happen or even might have happned in the bedroom Hmm

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