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I'm the Other Woman, by accident (seriously). HELP.

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AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 09:06

I feel like such an utter idiot. Last year my marriage was ending and I started a brief fling with a man in an open marriage - let's call him Somebody Else's DH (SEDH?!). I wasn't ready to jump into a proper relationship but really wanted, well, sex with a nice and trustworthy person who I liked. So it worked well. It was all totally open and above board - his wife was on the online dating site too to keep an eye on him, and checked out my profile and okayed him to go ahead. He came with some 'terms and conditions' that he was very clear about - not a long-term thing, nothing at the expense of his home life (eg we only met when he was staying away from home for work), safe sex, nothing in their home town or near his workplace, and no new kids. Wife would call him to say goodnight etc, knew exactly where he was and what he was doing etc.

To be honest I thought this all sounded very grown up and reasonable and I was impressed that they had such a loving and trusting relationship. We had our fling. It was great fun and I never felt funny about it at all. I knew SEDH had a fantastic relationship with his wife, and that they had several young DCs, and basically a great life. The only thing I feel mildly funny about is that SEDH isn't going to keep in touch with me afterwards, because that's part of his T&Cs, but at the same time I understand that this seems reasonable.

Fast forward to the end of it (four months on, I was feeling ready to be properly single and maybe meet somebody else who was properly single) and we are having a last shag. SEDH does something risky with the condom. I panic and freak out afterwards. SEDH then says some other slightly odd things the same evening that make me wonder if (a) he has become slightly inappropriately attached to me, and (b) that he was aware of the risk he has taken with the condom. Nevertheless, we say our goodbyes in the morning and proceed to our separate lives. I take a morning after pill just to be safe.

You know where this is going, right?

I don't think about it again until nine days later, when, on the train back from a work trip, I begin to feel distinctly queasy and ye olde F-cups are aching in a suspiciously pregnant kind of way. I get home and pee on a stick. It's positive. I'm pregnant.

I don't abort, although SEDH strongly urges me to. The back story here is that I had spent many years TTC in my marriage but had never been able to, including requisite sad MC story, and really can't bring myself to now I find myself finally "successful", if a positive pregnancy test can be called that under these deeply inappropriate circumstances. However, being pregnant does feel quite miraculous and rather right. I am excited about being a mum. I will cope with being a single mum.

SEDH doesn't tell his wife. He is terrified that she will leave him. Understandably in some ways, he doesn't want to risk losing or hurting his wonderful family. Fair enough, I think (though I'm not impressed - I thought they were such a lovely couple but clearly there is a trust issue lurking here!) but I say that if I was his wife I would be deeply unimpressed.

I have the 12-week scan and it seems more likely now that it's viable. I urge SEDH to tell his wife. He doesn't. Then the anomaly scan at 20 weeks. I urge SEDH to tell his wife - at this point I'm really quite upset about the whole situation, on my own part, but also on hers. He still doesn't tell her. Surely, the longer he leaves telling her, the more of a big betrayal it becomes and the more likely that it would wreck everything? I tell SEDH that I won't lie to a child about who their father is, and that at some point in the future it is quite likely to all come out. He seems to think this buys him a bit of time until his DCs are older and less vulnerable (the youngest is now a toddler).

I'm now in my third trimester. SEDH still hasn't told his DW that he's got another woman pregnant. He hasn't offered to support me in any way - in the meantime, I've been made redundant (total and utter shock) and have had to move back in with my parents. I am in two minds about whether I would want to pursue him for child support in any case, but under the circumstances if I did it would also mean his wife finds out everything and frankly at this stage I suspect she would (and perhaps should) seriously consider leaving him.

WHAT DO I DO?! I just don't know what the right thing is here. Leave it and abandon all contact and hope he behaves better towards his family in future? Continue contact, feeling guilty as it is behind his DW's back although there is now nothing going on between us, in the interests of having my as-yet-unborn DC have some vague contact with its father? Something else?

OP posts:
WreckfestAtTiffanys · 30/03/2013 15:17

It may have been said already (sorry, haven't read everything) but something you really should consider imo is do I actually want to have to be in contact with this man for a very long part of my future

I think if I could manage without him, I would. It isn't ethically right I know, but it would probably make your life a whole lot easier.

LynetteScavo · 30/03/2013 15:40

I think the truth will come out eventually, and the wife will find out your child exists.

Rather now than in 18 years time, IMO. Pursuing him for child support is the way forward. It shouldn't be that much of a shock to his wife, if she agreed to an open marriage.

Rulesgirl · 30/03/2013 15:47

Since you never met or spoke to the wife in the flesh I think that she knew nothing about this. It was a fake "wife" profile. That's why one of his rules was that she would phone to say goodnight......its because she knew nothing of his "Cheating" with you. You believed what he said cause you wanted to. So to me you are the other woman and you have now got yourself into a postion where you could break up a little family and ruin her life. He doesn't want to leave his wife, never did, and unfortunately you were just a woman he lied to. I don't think that his wife knows anything and they do not have an open marriage.
You have chosen to keep the baby but now seem to want to cause their marriage to break up. He was using condoms but maybe you too should have taken responsibility for this and gone on the pill so that the chances of becoming pregnant would have been practically nil.
Im sorry but no matter how you dress it up, you were with a married man whom you knew was married with little children and you went along with his story of his wife knowing everything and now your pregnant and want to destroy his wifes life.
Enjoy the baby but if I were you I would break all contact with the man and get a council house and have a lovely little life without looking back.

Ashoething · 30/03/2013 16:11

Everything the poster above just said. Im sorry but are people actually buying this shit? Op could have had happy care-free sex with the thousands of single men out there drooling for it-hello pof! Yet she chose a married man is a supposedly open relationshipHmm Aye right!

You fucked a married man,your now upduffed and you want to burst his bubble-go ahead but karma will get you.

AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 16:29

Rulesgirl, I am quite happy that SEDH's wife knew what was going on, and with who.

However you are right in a broader sense, and obviously now there is something that he has kept from her, so I do need to be very sensitive to the effect it could have on her and their children. That is one of the reasons why I am keen to think everything through properly and get outside perspectives on the situation.

I'm actually very keen NOT to have anything to do with breaking up their marriage and certainly don't want SEDH myself - didn't before; don't now!

Thankfully I am relatively financially solvent and have a lot of support from family and friends, so I'm not in any imminent danger of needing to apply for a council house and hope to manage well on my own. I will however try to have a lovely life!

It sounds to me as if there may be a vein of bitter experience running through your reply, which goes beyond my situation - I am truly sorry if it is a result of you or someone you care about having been treated badly.

OP posts:
AnonToSpareBlushes · 30/03/2013 16:33

Ashoething, I'm not sure what you think karma will get me for exactly? I'm happy that I've behaved perfectly ethically so far, if not to your taste.

So, given the current situation, what would your most constructive advice be? I've got to try to do right by SEDH's wife, their DCs, and my soon-to-be-DC.

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Dahlen · 30/03/2013 16:37

Get over yourselves some of you! Just because you can't imagine being happy with an open relationship doesn't mean they can't work for other people. It wouldn't work for me either (for practical reasons rather than emotional ones) but hey, guess what, we're allowed to make our own choices about how we conduct our lives. Isn't it great!

Furthermore, there's a child at the centre of this. All the admonishing of the OP is not going to make that child disappear. What possible purpose does "you should have thought about this before embarking on an open relationship" have unless it is to make the person saying it feel morally superior? It's sanctimonious spite.

Would I have behaved like the OP? No. Do I think I am better because of that? No. Do I hope she manages to work out a solution rather than "pay for her sins'? Yes. Most of all, I wish her a healthy pregnancy and a happy life because ultimately all she has done is been a single woman who had sex with a man and ended up pregnant. Stone her now! Hmm

Rulesgirl · 30/03/2013 16:38

You said that you have been made reduntant and have to move back in with your parents....hence my comment that you will be able to get a council house. It was not rudely meant. And the have a lovely life comment was in fact very genuine cause you seem to want this baby so much.
There is no bitter vein running through my reply . I am probably older than you and feel that you were irresponsible in not taking precautions before having sex with strangers. You might believe you were happy that his wife knew but you have no way of actually knowing that she did in fact know anything of the sort. You have decided to keep the baby cause you obviously wanted one very much. You are to blame for what has happened as much as he is. The way he set you up to have sex with him with no strings attached etc. is done by many many many men out there and online and their wives no absolutely nothing about it. Its just men carrying out their fantasies. At the end of the day ....he was a married man .....you chose to sex with him.....now you want to cause mayhem for some innocent woman. She knows nothing . It just makes you feel better to believe that you are not to blame in any of this.

pumpkinsweetie · 30/03/2013 16:43

Dahlen I agree, op made a mistake, it doesn't mean she should pay for it the rest of her life.
And it seems that everyone has forgot it takes 2 to Tango, this man also played a part in the conception of this child.
I would like to wish you all the best op, and wish you congratulations on your pregnancy Thanks

ShipwreckedAndComatose · 30/03/2013 17:09

As motherinferior's list up thread testifies...I think karma is dishing out good stuff to op at present!! [busmile]

Tenacity · 30/03/2013 17:21

The baby's conception is less than ideal (that's an understatement!)

Nonetheless, the situation is what it is, and IMO you are right OP to try pursue the most decent route with this. This man sounds like a coward who does not want to take responsibility. He has made a baby, and should now take responsibility. Every action has consequences! What did he think could happen when he embarked on this?!
I have no pity if it results in his shambles of a marriage breaking. I only feel sorry for the innocent children caught up in this mess. I think the wife needs to know the truth. Why not??
I am not suggesting the OP contacts the wife as such, but the damage has already been done. Whether the wife knows or not, there will be a baby out there, and the slate cannot be wiped clean. I imagine truth will eventually out anyway. Also it makes sense OP that this is resolved sooner rather than later. That way you can all concentrate on your lives without too many skeletons in the cupboard.
Whatever happens, the kids should always come first. They have no choice in all this. This man should be forced to take responsibility. Whether he tells his wife or not, I don't think you should pander to his cowardice.

Tenacity · 30/03/2013 17:24

OP Congratulations by the way!

tribpot · 30/03/2013 17:28

I would cease contact with SEDH as the only way to continue it violates the spirit of the agreement made between the three of you originally - i.e. that this would be approached honestly and openly. To continue the contact looks as if you willingly colluded with him in his silence to his wife.

To be honest, though, if they didn't have a clause in their agreement about what should happen if one or other (or god forbid both) of them conceived a child in the course of their encounters then they were less civilised and mature about it than they would presumably like to believe. I don't think you should hide it - you had no knowledge of the two forms of contraception rule, you did was what possible to prevent conception. Pursue him for child support because he should pay it, not because you need it.

motherinferior · 30/03/2013 17:32

I don't think the OP 'made a mistake'. I do think a lot of you are getting frightfully hot under the collar about a relationship which is run on different lines from yours.

(Also can I just ask where all these gagging for it single blokes are? They certainly were scarce on the ground in my single 30something days. As opposed to the masses of married chaps not in open relationships trying to get into my pants.)

One of the happiest and most stable relationships I know is an open one, btw.

BernadetteRostenkowskiWolowitz · 30/03/2013 17:35

He sounds a dickhead. I don't know how you ever thought that their sloppy arrangement was mature. But, clearly, you need to do what's right for your child. Don't even consider them when making that decision. I'd say go for maintenance but don't even enter into any discussions wrt defending your side. I can't believe people are chastising you for sleeping with a married man. If his wife waved him off with a cheery wave, then your reason not to sleep with him was because he was a dickhead. Don't tip toe around that marriage. She will find out when he has to tell her why he's paying you maintenance, but really, beyojnd that, don't get sucked into any more drama.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 30/03/2013 17:43

OP here, back under a slightly different name - sorry, did not realise we could change nicknames on here and still be anonymous. So my other one is cancelled and here I am again under my 'proper' account, but still anonymous as I am doing this secret squirrel name temporary change thing Grin - you'll never know just how wholesome and innocuous most of my real questions about babies are!

Thank you so much to everyone who has offered congratulations; it does mean a lot to me as like many other first-time-mums-to-be I am incredibly excited and happy about my pregnancy despite the challenges of my particular situation.

Rulesgirl, apologies for misinterpreting, I am afraid I did read your 'have a lovely little life' comment as being sarcastic. But I am very happy to accept it in the spirit it was intended! Absolutely, both SEDH and I are responsible for having created this new life, and on my part I am very happy to take responsibility for it - whatever he chooses to do - and I chose not to abort on that basis. I do wonder why you seem to want so very much to believe that (a) SEDH was lying, (b) that his wife knows nothing and is 'innocent', and (c) I'm somehow deluding myself to feel better. That is what gave me the impression that perhaps you had some prior experience with a situation where that had in fact been the case. Personally I'm quite happy that none of those things are true, so I'm not worrying about it in that respect.

Tenacity · 30/03/2013 17:43

To those rejoicing about karma, I think you are forgetting that these sort of situations usually affect the innocent in all this, usually the children.
Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, There is a new life to think about. There are also existing children in this situation.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 30/03/2013 17:50

tribpot, you have hit the nail on the head!

Thinking about it, that is why I have been feeling so uncomfortable about everything (and why I now feel like the 'Other Woman' despite not having anything to do with him sexually any more).

I still don't have any qualms about having had sex with somebody in an open relationship. Whatever, people don't have to do it themselves or get involved with somebody who is in an open relationship if they don't want to. But it's open, it's honest, and everyone knows the score if it's done properly. I guess that's why this secrecy around my pregnancy really feels horrid - it's so out of keeping with the original (refreshing!) honesty of the situation.

Seriously considering saying to SEDH that I would like him to know his child but am not happy to be in contact unless it's all above board. Then he can decide what he wants to.

BernadetteRostenkowskiWolowitz · 30/03/2013 17:50

Karma shmarma.............. It's a messy situation alright, bbut I think you have the MESS AND THE FALLOUT at the beginning. Get it behind you before your child is even one year old. Most single parents have the anxiety, drama, upset & adjustment after the children are born. So this is an awkward one but it's not the end of the World imo

I agree with lynette scavo, if his wife sanctioned this open relationship then I don't think she's going to be as shocked or devastated as 'the average wife'.

I agree that the situation is what you make it. So Congratulations. And sorry to be judgy here but don't mistake this sloppy tomfoolery for 'maturity' in the future. He and his wife and you tbh sound crackers thinking this was a win win sort of arrangement. win win my arse. BUT I am only judging you for being foolish !! It is easy for married women to sit in judgement of those who are looking around and trying to drum up somebody to have sex with. {whistles patiently here myself}

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 30/03/2013 17:53

Bernadette, you have made me laugh! It is true, being a dickhead is the best reason not to sleep with somebody. But it can be sooooooo hard to tell in advance! Shock

BernadetteRostenkowskiWolowitz · 30/03/2013 17:54

"but it's open, it's honest and everybody knows the score"

Seeeeeeeeeeeeeriously loike. Confused you still believe that.

live and learn

A completely different class of dickhead is the father of my own children but one thing for sure, I have learnt from the experience.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 30/03/2013 17:55

And let me tell you, I am properly off sex now, believe me!!! For the foreseeable! And never ever ever again unless it's with about a gazillion forms of contraception and possibly something made of kryptonite Grin

BernadetteRostenkowskiWolowitz · 30/03/2013 17:55

I think the writing was on the wall with this shabster!!

But don't worry. my children's father is a grade A knobber and yet they are gorgeous.

AnonToSpareBlushes2 · 30/03/2013 17:58

Bernadette, I wouldn't have an open relationship myself, but I still think there's nothing wrong with them.

My lessons here have mostly been around the importance of multiple forms of contraception, needing to beware of my really quite extraordinarily impressive fertility, and realising how very very glad I am that I was so careful with my money for years.

BernadetteRostenkowskiWolowitz · 30/03/2013 17:59

Rulesgirl is probably right. If she knew he was with another woman would she really ring ? She probably thought he was in a hotel bedroom all on his own, working. Poor thing.

It would be so easy to set up a fake profile (obviously, as easy as setting up a real one).