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Support thread for those in Emotionally Abusive relationships....can it be 18?

999 replies

foolonthehill · 08/03/2013 22:19

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
a check list Use this site for some concise diagnostic lists and support
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
why financial abuse is domestic violenceAre you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.
heart to heart a wealth of information and personal experiences drawn together in one place

what couples therapy does for abusers

If you find that he really wants to change
should I stay or should I go bonus materials this is a site containing the material for men who want to change?please don?t give him the link?print out the content for him to work through.

The Bill of Rights
bill of rights here is what you should expect as a starting point for your treatment in a relationship, as you will of course be treating others!!

OP posts:
Ginga66 · 16/03/2013 01:19

Hello guys I a back. Was posting about some of dh behaviour tonight and just thought omg its ea again, had a bit of a dry spell where I thought he'd grown out of it actually!
Anyhow I will post more another time.

FairyFi · 16/03/2013 02:28
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trustissues75 · 16/03/2013 04:32

Hi all

Lemondrizzled told me this would be a good place for me to hang out. I have lurked here before and posted once or twice. Long back story, cant post a link at the moment, but basically current situation is living with boyfriend of 18 months, everything seems great 95% of the time, 1 pretty damaged boy of 8 with previouz FWH who couodnt take my "intollerable behaviour" anymore and dumped me with a suitcase of clothes, Im 23 weeks pregnant, and since Xmas I think Ive seen a coupe of red flags with current DP. I dont want to over-react, Im concerned I may be hyper-vigilant having only recently come to terms I was in a horribly abusive relationship. Ive been awake last night after a bit of a heated discussion and some of the stuff that was said is just going round and round in my head - is this just a tiff or is this the start of a controller trying to alter my perceptiins of reality - and Im petrified. Lemondrizzled suggested its a good possibility my FW radar is broken and Im really concerned she's right and really need to go over things with a fine toothcomb. So, anyway, thats me, hello everyone.

kittybiscuits · 16/03/2013 05:29

Ladies, sorry I missed the pub. Silver next time I'll nip out with you.

Welcome trust, I lurk too and post from time to time. Congratulations on your pregnancy. You must be very worried that you might have picked another FW. So your FW radar is going off. Let's assume it's not broken...give the situation a few days and see what he says and does in the wake of the argument to put things right. It's March and you said you've seen a couple of red flags since Xmas. Please don't ignore your instincts. Keep taking some space and time out to know yourself. I guess you are on amber alert now? It's a situation to monitor - you can downgrade the risk - or upgrade it. But please don't dismiss it. x

minkembra · 16/03/2013 09:20

Morning all.
snow good old flame or not so good? Single or not so single?

ginga66 hi.
trust maybe use the thread or a note book to note down some of the things that bother you see how it looks. it is all to easy to lose the pattern if good follows bad. congrats on pregnancy.

tis fi seems like we all got a night out last night Grin

minkembra · 16/03/2013 09:44

ginga been reading a but if your back story- hope you don't mind. sounds as if there are worrying things going on. have you been for counselling on your own ever? And do you want to share the things that have been worrying you lately? Please don't feel you have to! If touch want to hang out and do some reading etc. But if you need to unburden/rant/ wonder out loud then this is a good place.

ponygirlcurtis · 16/03/2013 11:03

Sorry I missed you all last night - not feeling so good, had an enforced evening of sofa-lying, while having some scary chest pains. Sad Think it's probably all stress-related though. This morning, my glands are up so much that I can feel them when I turn my head.

But glad some of you had good nights in RL! Wine Am v jealous - and living vicariously!

Charlotte - I'm thinking of you. Can you get yourself a solicitor's appointment asap? He can refuse to leave. But, given how little he is at home, how would that look to his image as a loving family man if his refusal to do the decent thing meant that you are the kids had to find somewhere else to live? Maybe you could put it to him like that? Stay strong tomorrow. If he wants to talk, let him, but make sure you don't agree to anything while he's there, give yourself time to think about it properly with his FWittery.

Hey trust, sorry to hear of all the awful things you've been through. You are right to question your current DPs behaviour. Keep an eye on it, post here for advice/validation if you need it.

Reading a bit of the the FP book this morning. Stark, stark reading. I can see FW on every single page - not in every single behaviour or action described, but he is present a lot. Yet I still struggle to correlate his behaviour as abusive, still think of his actions as minor (despite seeing him so much through the book and realising how much I have minimised). I know he was/is abusive. But I still somehow can't quite believe it. I struggle to imagine that anyone could behave like that to another human being. But I have to believe. I have to accept that he is a nasty, nasty man with some effed- up beliefs.
And talk about timeliness - yesterday I received a marketing mailshot for NSPCC, with a story about a little girl and her step-father, how he hated her mum showing her any affection, how he stopped her mum spending time with her, how mealtimes were very stressful, how he yelled at her and other things that just reminded me so much of how FW was with DS1. (And the fact that the little girl had my name, made it feel like it was all unversally ordered to give me a jolt.) I have a lot to think about at the moment.

minkembra · 16/03/2013 11:27

pony sorry to hear you are not wellThanks
And that things are emotionally tough. know what you mean about struggling to believe it.

I have totally first would problems on my mind- thinking of booking holiday abroad with the kids and my parents keep telling me i Will never cope with kids on my own. thought about going on my own when i was still with ex as get was always moaning about money, was vile on holiday etc. but never had the nerve.

minkembra · 16/03/2013 11:28

first would first world problems.

LemonDrizzled · 16/03/2013 11:34

Hi trust glad you made it over here. There is fresh coffee and muffins for all (and herbal tea for the stressed out who should be avoiding caffeine!)

One thing we always remind the newbies on this thread is that there is no hurry to make any big decisions. If you are unsure what is happening and your head is scrambled then pause. Watch and wait and listen. Your DP will either shape up and treat you better or reveal his hand as an FW.

Meanwhile you take care of yourself and the bump and your LO. Small treats and hang out here and read the links so you know what unacceptable behaviour looks like. It will all become clear in time.

For what it is worth I still look back in disbelief at what happened to my marriage after I stopped being a stepford wife. I can't reconcile the man I lived with for twenty six years with the deranged loon who abused me at the end. And he does the weepy snivelly remorse thing too. Ugh!

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/03/2013 11:45

Agree so much with Lemon - mine turned into a nasty man. I think it was weakness coupled with unfortunate circumstances, but the man I fell in love with would have overcome his weakness, and had some pride in himself. My Ex turned out not to be the man I fell in love with, in the long run.

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 11:46

pony lovey so sorry you are feeling so poorly Sad and that's really sad, the NSPCC mailshot story Sad. But don't forget, brave girl, that you got your ds1 and your other dcs and yourself out. You did a fantastic thing for the kids and for the rest of your life and your kids will benefit daily from your courage. xxxxx

Hi Trust and Ginga (((hugs)))

Mink love of course you can cope on the holiday, probably better without fw than with due to extra pressure and misery they inflict. My family can minimise my capabilities too, they don't know they're doing it perhaps, but it does fit in with the fact I don't have much self worth, or rather have struggled to manufacture my own as I was doled out much during childhood!

I love my family, don't get me wrong and they and I have changed a lot and I am not subtly downgraded any more. But they used to say things like "oh you can't do that, it'll be too much for you etc" in concern, I am sure, but it had the effect of undermining the already shaky self belief I had!

Your situation may well be completely different - just thought I'd chuck my experience of this in because your family's words to you rang a bell with me! Maybe yours just want to help and this is a hint they want to come with you but don't want to force themselves on you? xx

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 11:47

I have just yelled at everyone in house including dm Blush oh dear, think my new found assertiveness is gaining the upper hand, ahem. But I can't always be the healer! Sorry mini rant over, ahhhhh, ommmmmmmm....

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/03/2013 11:50

Min you will totally cope! It will do you the power of good. Remind me of DC's ages?

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 11:52

Silver and lemon I agree too, however, I am not sure mine was the decent man to begin with that I thought he was. He was just (at the time only) better and more stable than my previous bf and also the mad situation I grew up in. I thought he had family values, would take care of me and provide stability. AHAHAHAHAHA!!!! Sorry am feeling a bit wild eyed today! Anyway, now my resident fw is a nasty, manipulative man, but confusingly can also be a fantastic dad when he's not being an abusive dad (verbally and emotionally, I managed to stop him smacking)

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/03/2013 11:52

Hi, BreatheandFlyAway's DM via BreatheandFlyAway. Feel free to vent here too Wink

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/03/2013 11:53

x-post! reply to 11:47:50

minkembra · 16/03/2013 11:53

breath thanks. they have Saudi they Will come to help out but in 'if we must' kinda way. they don't like beach holidays. i don't want to do much on holiday just chill. and an airport with kids alone may be stressful but unless my mum has changed an airport with her is stress central. tbf maybe that is because we were kids and that time and that is what she is getting at Wink

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 11:55

The financial situation that has been holding things up looks like it might be easing, our old house is under offer. Obviously touch wood, many a slip etc, but if and when that goes through, life becomes SOOOO much simpler.

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/03/2013 11:55

Having your parents there will make it much more stressful and much less fun. Trust me on this one.

TheSilveryPussycat · 16/03/2013 11:56
BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 12:03

Mink she sounds like my dm - also gets very stressed and snappy and mildly hysterical at airports! She is no doubt seeing the possibilities of the situation through her own capabilites rather than yours. You'll cope just fine my love, you've kicked a FW into touch! Smile

Silver I will pass on the hello to dm Smile Don't worry I didn't yell directly at her so much as sideways IFSWIM. DCs ended up fighting badly and ds bit me Sad and of course I had to discipline him but his behaviour can get worse when lovely dm is around as she tends to have a short fuse with him and a long fuse with dd so he sort of ends up being pushed into a corner of bad behaviour IYSWIM. All calm now. Am going to supermarket with dm and leave fw with dangerous wild animals dear children Grin

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 12:05

see you later ladies, am going out in RL Shock but will stop by the moorland pub to see if you're having a lock-in when I get back Grin xxx

BreatheandFlyAway · 16/03/2013 12:06

Ah thanks for the crossing of toes and fingers, Silver Smile

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