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Support thread for those in Emotionally abusive relationships number 7

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foolonthehill · 10/03/2012 10:46

Am I being abused?

Verbal Abuse A wonderfully non-hysterical summary. If you're unsure, read the whole page and see if you're on it.
Emotional abuse from the same site as above
Emotional abuse a more heartfelt description
Signs of Abuse & Control Useful check list
Financial abuse Are you a free ride for a cocklodger, or supposed to act grateful for every penny you get for running the home?
Women's Aid: "What is Domestic Violence?" This is also, broadly, the Police definition.
20 signs you're with a controlling and/or abusive partner Exactly what it says on the tin

Books :

"Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft - The eye-opener. Read this if you read nothing else.
"The Verbally Abusive Relationship" by Patricia Evans ? He wants power OVER you and gets angry when you prove not to be the dream woman who lives only in his head.
"The Verbally Abusive Man, Can He Change?" by Patricia Evans - Answer: Perhaps - ONLY IF he recognises HIS issues, and if you can be arsed to work through it. She gives explicit guidelines.
"Men who hate women and the women who love them" by Susan Forward. The author is a psychotherapist who realised her own marriage was abusive, so she's invested in helping you understand yourself just as much as helping you understand your abusive partner.
"The Emotionally Abusive Relationship: How to Stop Being Abused and How to Stop Abusing" by Beverley Engels - The principle is sound, if your partner isn't basically an arse, or disordered.
"Codependent No More : How to Stop Controlling Others and Start Caring for Yourself" by Melody Beattie - If you a rescuer, you're a co-dependent. It's a form of addiction! This book will help you.
But whatever you do, don't blame yourself for being Co-dependent!

Websites :

So, you're in love with a narcissist - Snarky, witty, angry, but also highly intelligent: very good for catharsis
Dr Irene's verbal abuse site - motherly advice to readers' write-ins from a caring psychotherapist; can be a pain to navigate but very validating stuff
Out of the fog - and now for the science bit! Clinical, dispassionate, and very informative website on the various forms of personality disorders and how they impact on family and intimate relationships.
Get your angries out ? You may not realise it yet, but you ARE angry. Find out in what unhealthy ways your anger is expressing itself. It has probably led you to staying in an unhealthy relationship.
Melanie Tonia Evans is a woman who turned her recovery from abuse into a business. A little bit "woo" and product placement-tastic, but does contain a lot of useful articles.
Love fraud - another site by one woman burned by an abusive marriage
You are not crazy - one woman's experience. She actually has recordings of her and her abusive partner having an argument, so you can hear what verbal abuse sounds like. A pain to navigate, but well worth it.
Baggage reclaim - Part advice column, part blog on the many forms of shitty relationships.

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HoudiniHissy · 24/03/2012 16:06

Meant to say amitooangry I've had ALL the texts from X. I love you, I miss you, how are you, can I come and stay with you when I come to UK,

and, oh the ultimate.... What can I do to make you happy....

I tweeted that for Twitter to answer me but without the obvious use of words such as Fuck Off and Die. My timeline still lit up like a christmas tree! Grin

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 17:21

Houdini do you know why 6m is generally the time when people go back to an abusive relationship....very interested....
My NSDH has put me in a positions where I have to say no to dd going on the back of his motorbike, on a slow-rally, because she hasn't got leathers, and she won't wear his old ones, which are a bit big. Really object to him wanting to be the Fun Guy, making a big deal of kissing her and telling her he loves her . There was precious little evidence of that in the last couple of months he was with us. Makes me so cross!

ThePinkPussycat · 24/03/2012 17:30

Blimey Parsley what sort of a biker is he if he doesn't know the importance of leathers?

I know, the sort of biker who thinks he is so good that he will never have an accident, and he's even more careful with DD on the back Shock [mad] Confused - and it's only a slow-rally (how slow and how many take part etc btw? This is a new one on me)

Am I on the right lines?

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 17:39

They go round the city very slowly collecting Easter eggs for charity. And then we're trying not to hurt his feelings, and saying things like, 'maybe next time'. Pity he wasn't as bothered about our feelings. We wouldn't be in this seperated situation now!

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 17:40

About right Pink yes.

ThePinkPussycat · 24/03/2012 17:44

How slow is very slow?

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 17:46

A speed of about 25 mph was mentioned. Lots of bikers.

ThePinkPussycat · 24/03/2012 18:00

If he loves her that much, perhaps he could buy her some leathers?

[bleedin obvious(?) emoticon]

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 18:01

Yes. Trouble is she is still growing, and she is safer not being on there at all...

ThePinkPussycat · 24/03/2012 18:09

With respect, parsley those are two different, though related, things. He may actually be the safe biker he thinks he is (is he?), DD may or may not wish to ride pillion. I suppose the question to ask is, if he were the nice man you thought he was, and you were still together, would he be taking DD on the slow-rally in her nice leathers, by mutual agreement (though if you are like me it would be somewhat reluctant agreement on my part!)

Btw, I always thought both DS and DD would tower over me. Not so! DS is tall like his father, DD is shorter than I am but of slender, oh so slender, build, and I am the short fat one differently built. No reason is there to think she will ever fit his old leathers?

foolonthehill · 24/03/2012 18:11

Houdini do you know why 6m is generally the time when people go back I'm not hissy but I think it is the distance and the manipulation. I think abuse feels very subjective to the "victim" (hate that word) and if the perpetrator is clever he can hide the abusive self and turn on "the charmer", plus at 6 months a lot of external support drops away and you really feel on your own.

Fortunately most abusers can't keep up Mr Nice guy for too long.

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ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 18:12

Pink he is NOT the nice man I thought he was. Hence the split... if we were still together, she might be allowed to go, with appropriate safety measures in place. But this is academic, as she is NOT going on, and he is a fwit.

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 18:17

This may be so Fool. I think you and I will be having the same 6 m anniversary, and weirdly, someone up thread has 'escaped' a relationship about the same time. We need an online party, and to stay strong. The 'good' thing for me re the nice/charm offensive is I will never trust him again. I have looked into the void, as it were. I also printed off 'my' threads at the time. When I re-read them, there was some stuff I had forgotten. I must not forget.

ThePinkPussycat · 24/03/2012 18:20

Absolutely parsley and I didn't mean to imply anything different :)

amItooangry · 24/03/2012 18:29

Thanks Houdini - I really have no intention of letting him in my life again in any capacity. He doesn't have it in him to be a real friend (let alone partner) as his only concern is himself.

Its interesting what you say about the 6 months anniversary, and I have definitely noticed a change back to the "charming" approach lately.

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 18:31

Ok Pink Smile

amItooangry · 24/03/2012 18:35

So glad I can vent here and people understand. It can be so draining sometimes to hear the "well, he obviously still loves you" and "maybe you should give him another chance"

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 18:38

Very cross-making amI... other people were not there, and do not know....

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 18:54

Hopefully, here is a link to Baz Luhrman. In this he talks about 'not being careless with other people's hearts, and avoiding those who are careless with ours'. Says it all really....

arthriticfingers · 24/03/2012 19:30

Love the link :)
Don't know about 6 months, yet. Got decree hearing on 5th April :(
Today's story. FWH behaved like a tosser in the supermarket.
Why was I even in the fing supermarket with FWH, you, rightly, ask Blush. Excuse? Because he is Mr Nice (remember, remember the 5th ...) - he wanted to 'help' get things ready for Cs birthday party (first time, that one, and they're teenagers Confused. Well so much for that ...
Obviously, but, you all know what happened next, loud protestations in public that I looked annoyed when he hadn't done anything to warrant me wanting to kick his fing teeth in Hmm
Thanks to St. Lundy, however, I detached and examined how I was feeling. It made me realize just how much anger at his behaviour I have swallowed instead of beating him round the head with a baseball bat sending him packing years (and years) ago.

foolonthehill · 24/03/2012 19:36

well done on detaching Fingers!!

Yes i am at 5 months now...he's not coming back no way no how........!!

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arthriticfingers · 24/03/2012 19:43

Hi Fool I may be detached, but, as I said on the Lundy book thread, I can't get rid of the hope - whatever he does :(
Since his behaviour at Christmas, hope has not stopped me from detaching (how good does detaching make me feel:)) and moving on with all the technicalities, but, my heart still keeps wittering on about him seeing the light :(.
How are you? Have you managed to to convince the worm of hope that it is starving to death?

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 19:43

fingers I have been thinking about similar. NSDH and I have a family takeaway every week, but really, I am not sure how good it is FOR ME. I know he sees dd etc, but really, it is so difficult. Actually, I don't want to be his friend. A friend would not have done the things he has done, and I don't like him really...

arthriticfingers · 24/03/2012 19:46

Hi Parsley, Ask yourself the question we have all forgotten: HOW DOES THIS MAKE ME FEEL?

ParsleyTheLioness · 24/03/2012 20:02

I agree...